Gay Marriage?

[Nightingale 0]

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at the time women prolly should not have voted.

Why?

Were women less intelligent at the time than they are now?
Were they less capable of logical reasoning at the time than they are now?
Were they at the time unable to form an opinion regarding their laws and government?

The only reason i can think of that women didn't vote at the time was that men wouldn't let them. And I think that says a lot more about the men than it does about the women.

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most at the time were uneducated

[narcimund 0]

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most at the time we uneducated

I think you just lost the faith of 51% of those who might have been agreeing with you.

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[bodypilot90 0]

at that time I am right.

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most at the time we uneducated

I think you just lost the faith of 51% of those who might have been agreeing with you.

......and provided a good laugh to those of us who were not agreeing with him.

[Nightingale 0]

Actually, there were quite a few educated ladies in the 1800s.

Post civil war information reveals that in 1890 more females were graduating high school than boys. By this time, there were more colleges established allowing females the opportunity to chose their path of higher education. More and more women became teachers. The figures of woman in colleges had risen amazingly. By 1872, there were11,000 women enrolled in college and by 1900, there were 85,000 women enrolled. In some colleges women were receiving more academic awards then men.

In 1892 women composed 24 percent of the student body at the University of Chicago; by 1902, the number was 52 percent. In 1901, at Stanford University, 102 males and 98 females graduated, with more women than men winning awards and honors.
(www.rowan.edu, college.hmco.com)

Women weren't given the right to vote until 1920, when the 19th amendment was passed.

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what were the numbers in 1776?

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I had a good laugh as well, some get way to stressed out here

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most at the time were uneducated

Most American's at the time were uneducated - the majority of the population never finished greade school so they could get a job and pay the bills. Most of American back then probably read more due to the lack of television.

So you honestly believe it was right and moral to discrimainate against a person based on sex??? If so, I want you to give me real solid reasons why. I doubt you can.

All created equal - remember that??

I had no idea anyone alive still felt that way. How can that even be possible?

Speaking of education - what level did you complete? What area of study?

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most at the time we uneducated

I think you just lost the faith of 51% of those who might have been agreeing with you.

......and provided a good laugh to those of us who were not agreeing with him.

And given us a good reason to ignore his responses from now on.

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[jakee 1,594]

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And given us a good reason to ignore his responses from now on.

Unfortunately the millions out there like him have a somewhat louder voice.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I had a good laugh as well, some get way to streest out here

Your point about the uneducated and voting keeps repeating in my mind.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[Nightingale 0]

Well, I do wonder why you chose 1776, since the Constitution wasn't written until 1787 and wasn't ratified until 1789...

In 1750, the literacy rate in the colonies was 75% for men and 65% for women. (library.thinkquest.org). Children at the time were mostly homeschooled, so literacy rate is probably the best way to measure education at the time.

The overall literacy rate at the time of the revolution was 90%. (wikipedia)

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Kris seems to be beating you to a pulp with factual data. Maybe time to retreat and regroup?

With another Christian Church voting to support gay marriage, probably time for a new line of misreasoning.

[bodypilot90 0]

no I'm waiting on the tread to get back on subject. equal rights for poodle marriages.

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

You throw out a sexist comment like that and think a poor attempt at comedy will be a good way to cover it up? I have to wonder how many on this board couldn't vote due to lack of education?

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[wmw999 2,587]

Today at their annual synod meeting, the United Churches of Christ (UCC) voted to give equal rights to all couples in marriage.

That's nationwide. Some congregations probably won't go along with it (they have that right -- it's congregation-driven), but the vote was high enough to be convincing.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[bodypilot90 0]

ok I reread what I typed and I was wrong. Now i understand what you ladies were upset about.

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at the time women prolly should not have voted.

My fault for typing and and talking on the phone and doing other things, I will donate $10 to save the boobies, fair enough? I was wrong, I am sorry

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Listen to yourself - how can you take yourself seriously, Ron?

Who says I do?

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I have to ask... what do you think of bisexuals? By your definition, they are half good and half bad. Are they good, moral people when in a relationship or having sex with a person of their opposite sex but sinful and immoral when with someone of the same sex? Are you turned on seeing two women together? Is that ok in your book?

I have to ask what you think of polygamy? is that ok in your book? so now we have gay marriage and marrying poodles and now polygamy.....where is the line? Space aliens, do they count? If it's just about love why leave them out.

edit to add....I say this in a light hearted jest but really want to know.

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Today at their annual synod meeting, the United Churches of Christ (UCC) voted to give equal rights to all couples in marriage.

That's nationwide. Some congregations probably won't go along with it (they have that right -- it's congregation-driven), but the vote was high enough to be convincing.

Wendy W.

This is yet another example of the secularization of the Christian Church. With the increasing acceptance of homosexuality in our culture, many churches and denominations are deviating from the teachings of their faith.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; 4and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths," (2 Tim. 4:3-4).

They are doing things such as adopting unbiblical ideas, changing the Bible to suit neutral gender wording, and altering the text to fit their own agendas. Whether you believe the Bible to be true or false, it is clearly spelled out with regard to homosexuality.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God," (1 Cor. 6:9-10, NASB).

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I have to ask... what do you think of bisexuals? By your definition, they are half good and half bad. Are they good, moral people when in a relationship or having sex with a person of their opposite sex but sinful and immoral when with someone of the same sex? Are you turned on seeing two women together? Is that ok in your book?

I have to ask what you think of polygamy? is that ok in your book? so now we have gay marriage and marrying poodles and now polygamy.....where is the line? Space aliens, do they count? If it's just about love why leave them out.

edit to add....I say this in a light hearted jest but really want to know.

I don't agree with polygamy because I think a marriage is between two people. If a couple decides to invite another person (or people) into their relationship, that's fine with me as long as they aren't hurting anyone else or trying to push their ways on me.

Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean I'm going to protest it. (Not saying you would protest, I have no idea.) I don't agree with drugs, but I'm not going to hold it against someone because they enjoy it. If it starts to hurt me somehow or they start trying to push me into trying it, then I'll have a problem with it.

This thread has gotten way out of control. I mean, who would want to marry a poodle?? They are so funny looking.

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I can see why outlawing alcohol as well as tobacco would not be a bad idea. Think of the lives it would save.

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You refuse to see the thousands of lives and millions of dollars that could be saved by outlawing both? But like banning hook turns would save lives but hard for the uspa to enforce.

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I don't refuse to see them. Nobody has made one that doesn't argue thier religious or moral beliefs

yes I have the very notion that Gays can marry has no legal basis before extremist tried to make marriage something that it's not.

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I am perfectly calm and relaxed

Did not seem like that from your post.

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As for your argument that you don't want to pay for the benefits, I feel your pain. I don't want to eat the costs of the tax exempt status that religious organizations get either

once again, the difference is one 90% of the people who voted do not support gay marriage. While the voters support tax breaks to religious organizations.

The salvation army did a much better job than the red cross or any other group after the hurricane in my area. Did they preach to or at people no. Did they make aid dependent on going to a church no.

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The salvation army did a much better job than the red cross or any other group after the hurricane in my area. Did they preach to or at people no. Did they make aid dependent on going to a church no.

That's an excellent comparison. The salvation army did NOT force you into their beliefs while my husband and I are well known for forcing straight men to have sex with each other.

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[bodypilot90 0]

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I don't agree with polygamy because I think a marriage is between two people. If a couple decides to invite another person (or people) into their relationship, that's fine with me as long as they aren't hurting anyone else or trying to push their ways on me.

but do you think polygamy should be legal.

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I don't agree with drugs, but I'm not going to hold it against someone because they enjoy it

kind of off topic

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I don't agree with drugs, but I'm not going to hold it against someone because they enjoy it

but if you knew the profits for the drugs were going to someone involved with terrorism would you still not have a problem? Or if they were jumping and going to be on your load?