Who doesn't support GWB now, but voted for him?

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Over here in the UK, we are getting reports that support for the President is at an all time low, specifically with regards to the US invovlement in the war in Iraq.

I'm just wondering - is this true? Whats the feeling amongst you/your friends in the US with regards to the war? Did you support GWB/the war, and now you have changed your mind? If so, can you identify why?

This is not a thread for "I supported GWB and i will support him to my grave" posts, although i'm sure those will crop up. I want to hear from people who have specifically changed their minds and the reasons why (and this can also go the other way - for instance, if you were anti war, but are now pro).

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[mr2mk1g 10]

I've heard the same reports - although to expand on the reports re Iraq; they are not saying that most Americans think the US should pull out; simply that more and more are concluding it was a dumb idea to go in or at least go in in the way that we did... so if you follow the line of the reports, "anti-war" doesn't necessarily mean "think the US should pull out", just that you're becoming more and more disenchanted with the whole situation.

[Hackb431 0]

I have heard everything from support up to down. I am satisfied with the work he is doing. Running any nation is todays world is a monumental task.

With the amount of checks and balances the US Gov't has emplaced I think any man or woman alive could run the place. But I am happy that GW is in.

Now if we could just get the media to back off and let everyone run the show with out their intense scrutiny maybe we could do just a wee bit better.

HackB A.K.A. "Puppy"

[Tonto 1]

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Now if we could just get the media to back off and let everyone run the show with out their intense scrutiny maybe we could do just a wee bit better.

Yeah. I think that's what P W Botha, former Prime Minister of Apartheid South Africa said just before he declared a state of emergency...

If you're doing a good job, why would you want the media to back off?

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[Ron 10]

No war is popular. As this war draws out, more and more will tire of it.

Thats human nature.

FWIW, I'd rather Bush than Kerry be in office.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[rehmwa 2]

I'm not happy with the supreme court and congress right now. Also some of our local politicians.

GWB? he's ok still. And, in retrospect after watching Kerry and Gore in the last couple years, I'm very relieved.

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[billvon 3,090]

>Now if we could just get the media to back off and let everyone run
> the show with out their intense scrutiny maybe we could do just a
>wee bit better.

Right. Because in a democracy, the less everyone knows, the better. An ignorant populace is an easily manipulated one!

[Ron 10]

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Right. Because in a democracy, the less everyone knows, the better. An ignorant populace is an easily manipulated one!

It seems some thing that an educated Congress is just as easy to manipulate

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[SkyDekker 1,465]

you seem to forget that "not educated" and "ignorant" or not the same thing

[bodypilot90 0]

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And, in retrospect after watching Kerry and Gore in the last couple years, I'm very relieved

Isn't that the truth.....

[Ron 10]

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you seem to forget that "not educated" and "ignorant" or not the same thing

Where does that fit?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,090]

>It seems some thing that an educated Congress is just as easy to manipulate . . .

I should have qualified "educated" with "educated in things that are true."

[Erroll 80]

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Over here in the UK, we are getting reports that support for the President is at an all time low, specifically with regards to the US invovlement in the war in Iraq.

I heard on a local radio station this morning that a (AOL?) survey (in which over 2 million Americans participated) just voted GWB to be the 6th best American in history. I think Ronald Reagan was 1st and JFK was around 12th!

[bmcd308 0]

>>I should have qualified "educated" with "educated in things that are true." <<

That I agree with this depresses me.

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[skymedic 0]

I voted for GWB...I don't support many of the things he does...BUT...there is no freakin way i'd ever vote for a freakin liberal(well except for Barrack Obama,I'd vote for him for president any day) and Nader wasn't an option for me.

Marc
otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman....

[rickjump1 0]

I'm stuck with that SOB. Like putting a snake in a bag: when do you let go?

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[bodypilot90 0]

i heard it as well, I agree.

[Zenister 0]

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Over here in the UK, we are getting reports that support for the President is at an all time low, specifically with regards to the US invovlement in the war in Iraq.

I heard on a local radio station this morning that a (AOL?) survey (in which over 2 million Americans participated) just voted GWB to be the 6th best American in history. I think Ronald Reagan was 1st and JFK was around 12th!

its rather sad really... when you look at that survey you can tell how completely fucked the american educational system is....

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[bodypilot90 0]

no not at all. They know bull shit coming from the media is wrong. Little Johnny might not be able to spell, but they can smell the bs coming from cnn, nbc, abc and the UN.

[Zenister 0]

apparently you havent read the list...

anyone with an understanding of history would place ALL the founding fathers above any modern American president, and every first lady..(with perhaps the exception of Regan)

Bush?? only time will tell, if in 10 years Iraq has fragmented into civil war and america is suffering under the economic downturn caused by an ill-planned and ill-advised invasion he will hardly be considered a "great american" much less a "great president"

such popularity contests illustrate that media influences opinion far more than education. More than half the list has never done anything 'great'. they are simply public media figures, recognized faces...

of that list how many actually gave their life in service of their country? how many never even risked it??

the only thing that survey shows is how ignorant most americans are of history and what has been done by others to allow them to 'vote' on such fluff issues today....

go READ some history and get back to me...

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[bodypilot90 0]

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only time will tell, if in 10 years Iraq has fragmented into civil war and america is suffering under the economic downturn caused by an ill-planned and ill-advised invasion he will hardly be considered a "great american" much less a "great president"

funny i heard the same bather about Regan.

[Dougiefresh 0]

Sorry to butt in on the standard conservative v. liberal debate, but I'm going to actually answer the question.

My grandfather, who was raised republican, served in three wars and rose to the rank of colonel in the USAF, and had NEVER voted democrat, told the family before he died two weeks ago that he regretted voting for W. The only person I ever heard him speak ill of was Clinton, until now. He gave as reasons 1. the economy, specifically wasteful spending, 2. the war, and the lack of leadership and foresight demonstrated, and 3. evidence of bald-faced lying, one of the same things he hated clinton for.

I just wish I could have talked to him about it before he died, as we never exactly saw eye-to-eye politically. The fact he withdrew his support is very telling, at least to me.

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only time will tell, if in 10 years Iraq has fragmented into civil war and america is suffering under the economic downturn caused by an ill-planned and ill-advised invasion he will hardly be considered a "great american" much less a "great president"

funny i heard the same bather about Regan.

Not everyone thinks that Regan was a great President. Most of what we hear about him is post-funeral bandwagon media hype. What stands out most about the Regan administration for me? Iran/Contra. I put Regan's "I don't recall" right up there with "I did not have sexual relations with...," "No new taxes," "I am not a crook," and just about anything that came out of GW's mouth.

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[EBSB52 0]

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Sorry to butt in on the standard conservative v. liberal debate, but I'm going to actually answer the question.

My grandfather, who was raised republican, served in three wars and rose to the rank of colonel in the USAF, and had NEVER voted democrat, told the family before he died two weeks ago that he regretted voting for W. The only person I ever heard him speak ill of was Clinton, until now. He gave as reasons 1. the economy, specifically wasteful spending, 2. the war, and the lack of leadership and foresight demonstrated, and 3. evidence of bald-faced lying, one of the same things he hated clinton for.

I just wish I could have talked to him about it before he died, as we never exactly saw eye-to-eye politically. The fact he withdrew his support is very telling, at least to me.

There are a lot of conservatives crossing over. I guess it's typical since the pendulum has swung to the right for so long.

Things like the Patriot Act, the Overtime Law, the Bankruptcy Law, the recent corporate property forfeiture, and many more conservative stringent acts/laws proposed and/or passed/signed by this pres are turning the pendulum back.

As for your GF dying, I'm sorry for you and your family; sounds like an honorable man. One thing I see that is non-partisan is that people tend to become more conscious of their sympathies as they grow older. I think this is evidenced by many US Sup Ct Justices like O'Connor, Warren, even Breyer and Stevens to a degree. I guess heh key is to make the changes before you die so you can make an impact. I think people get so hung up in the fight of earning money and buying bigger and bigger houses that they think revoking all social programs will make a difference in their taxes and overall wealth. You get old and realize you can't take it with you and move for changes.

I like Freud's, "Id, ego, and superego" theories here. I think they explain the life of a person from youth to adulthood.

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only time will tell, if in 10 years Iraq has fragmented into civil war and america is suffering under the economic downturn caused by an ill-planned and ill-advised invasion he will hardly be considered a "great american" much less a "great president"

funny i heard the same bather about Regan.

Not everyone thinks that Regan was a great President. Most of what we hear about him is post-funeral bandwagon media hype. What stands out most about the Regan administration for me? Iran/Contra. I put Regan's "I don't recall" right up there with "I did not have sexual relations with...," "No new taxes," "I am not a crook," and just about anything that came out of GW's mouth.

Yep. I think of the corporatization of the US when I think of Reagan. I think of teh busting of the Airline Labor Unions, the Air Traffic Controllers, mandatory insurance, mandatory seat belts, and the general start of Fascism. But Iran-Contra is also very vivid and "I don't recall" is as pathetic as asking what the definition of "is" is.