ltdiver 3 #26 June 28, 2005 Quote(which are like jokes (except they don't have a punchline (and therefore are not by definition funny (you really can only groan And groan at this 'without a punchline' joke, I did. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #27 June 28, 2005 There is a school of thought that historically, the underlying purpose of war is to rid the population of extraneous males. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #28 June 28, 2005 I think the reason the women are mentioned more in this article is simple. It’s to piss us of more and make the people responsible look that much worst.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #29 June 28, 2005 QuoteI agree. There shouldn't be a men's standard and a women's standard. There should just be a minimum standard to qualify to do the job. I'll bet that would be deemed very quickly to be discriminatory and public outrage would ensue. Not enough women would be put into those combat positions, if they enforced that "equal standard" rule, which grant faster promotion and higher pay. It would hurt their "careers." They wouldn't stand for that. I’m not saying there aren’t women out there who can’t make the men’s standard. I’m just saying that (I think) the vast majority can’t (speaking mainly of ground combat). Although, I do think an “equal standard” might shed some light on reality for the American public (whether they like it or not). I just hope the experiment doesn’t have to cost the lives of too many qualified soldiers/marines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #30 June 28, 2005 QuoteOk, honestly, if they (the military) wanted to give full equality to the sexes, I would have no problem with that. Step 1: no more women's PT scores, its all the higher standard scores for the men. Step 2: No special treatment of any kind in regards to PT standards and height/weight standards. I completely agree. Want it equal, make it equal. No special treatment atl all, PT scores, height/weight/anything. Don't forget to include females in the draft if it ever comes up again. I'd like to see a national poll on how women would feel about making things very equal. My hunch is that most women would balk at the possibility of being included in the draft, one PT standard, and height/weight standard PT scores, etc. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 June 28, 2005 QuoteThere is a school of thought that historically, the underlying purpose of war is to rid the population of extraneous males. In England in particular, it was to cut down on the number of heirs to the estates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #32 June 28, 2005 QuoteThere is a school of thought that historically, the underlying purpose of war is to rid the population of extraneous males. Why do humans, as a species, produce extraneous males. Maybe it's natural selection - favoring the genes that lead to the production of enough warriors to fight wars.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #33 June 28, 2005 >Why do humans, as a species, produce extraneous males. Most sexually-reproducing animals have approximately an equal number of males vs females. Dawkins goes into it in one of his books on evolutionary development. Basically, if one sex (say, male) becomes a minority, the remaining males will have a greater share of descendents (because they will be in high demand) and that will work to re-balance the ratio. Also, once the next generation is born, parents who favor the minority sex over the majority sex will have their genome expressed more reliably in the next generation, since the minority sex will be represented more strongly in the next generation. So that behavior is promulgated, and again works to balance the numbers of male and female descendents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #34 June 28, 2005 QuoteMaybe it's natural selection - favoring the genes that lead to the production of enough warriors to fight wars. hmm, well, following the school of thought I was talking about...(not saying I agree with it) ...but it would be more like: selection for a human male who can command more resources & outsmart other humans....convincing other human males that they should go far away & fight & die out of patriotism etc. etc, while he meanwhile snarfs up the wealth & women with less competition. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #35 June 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteOk, honestly, if they (the military) wanted to give full equality to the sexes, I would have no problem with that. Step 1: no more women's PT scores, its all the higher standard scores for the men. Step 2: No special treatment of any kind in regards to PT standards and height/weight standards. I completely agree. Want it equal, make it equal. No special treatment atl all, PT scores, height/weight/anything. Don't forget to include females in the draft if it ever comes up again. I'd like to see a national poll on how women would feel about making things very equal. My hunch is that most women would balk at the possibility of being included in the draft, one PT standard, and height/weight standard PT scores, etc. Derek Baby haven't you learned anything by now, that just cause you have brute strength doesn't mean my technique can't still kick your ass. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #36 June 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteOk, honestly, if they (the military) wanted to give full equality to the sexes, I would have no problem with that. Step 1: no more women's PT scores, its all the higher standard scores for the men. Step 2: No special treatment of any kind in regards to PT standards and height/weight standards. I completely agree. Want it equal, make it equal. No special treatment atl all, PT scores, height/weight/anything. Don't forget to include females in the draft if it ever comes up again. I'd like to see a national poll on how women would feel about making things very equal. My hunch is that most women would balk at the possibility of being included in the draft, one PT standard, and height/weight standard PT scores, etc. Derek I agree, many (men and women) would balk. I'm with you, however. Eliminate double standards for true equality. jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydivingNurse 0 #37 June 28, 2005 Women are pretty and they have boobies and most of the time they smell nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #38 June 29, 2005 Quote>Why do humans, as a species, produce extraneous males. Most sexually-reproducing animals have approximately an equal number of males vs females.. Interesting study here, Bill: "Baby Boys Disappearing". ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #39 June 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteget pregnant, nurture life, give birth. There is nothing more beautiful than that. While I agree that the whole giving birth thing is amazing to say the least, they could not do so EVER without men. http://hum-molgen.org/NewsGen/04-2004/msg16.html Hmmm Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #40 June 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteget pregnant, nurture life, give birth. There is nothing more beautiful than that. While I agree that the whole giving birth thing is amazing to say the least, they could not do so EVER without men. http://hum-molgen.org/NewsGen/04-2004/msg16.html Hmmm "EVER" is a long time. Other mammals have been made pregnant without male input. Besides, you only need a handful of males to service the entire female population.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #41 June 29, 2005 QuoteBesides, you only need a handful of males to service the entire female population. requires - a handful of males also - lots of water, carbohydrates, and a nice comfortable room with relaxing music also, in some cases, a few shots of liquor or a blindfold (maybe 2 blindfolds) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #42 July 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteBesides, you only need a handful of males to service the entire female population. requires - a handful of males also - lots of water, carbohydrates, and a nice comfortable room with relaxing music also, in some cases, a few shots of liquor or a blindfold (maybe 2 blindfolds) But.... if guys HAVE to take a nap after each time... how much time would it take for one guy to "service" his handful of women? Seriously, I think that life is "valuable" irregardless of whether it's male or female. I do not think that one sex is better than the other. I think the "value" of a person has more to do with his/her character, compassion and ability to help/learn than the fact that they might have an XX or XY. Even the "as a species" arguement is outdated.... We have a large enough poplulaiton base, no concerns with the Hardy-Weinberg priniples and we are in no danger of non-elective inbreeding (except maybe in the deep south - but that's more the elective choice). Should there be "gentlman" and "ladies" etiquette? I think some girls favor those acts and thus the guy might score higher if he's looking to impress her. But does it help society? probably not. You should hold the door for whomever might be there or give up your seat to anyone that needs it more.... not based on sex. I think that a lot of the defensive posturing about this concept has more to do with beliefs that some might have about a SPECIFIC member of the opposite sex. When talking about someone you love, then you do want them protected and cherished.... but that's because of who they are, not just the fact that he/she is a male or female. Anyway, just my thoughts (and possibley influenced by the cold medicines) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #43 July 3, 2005 Quote Even the "as a species" arguement is outdated.... We have a large enough poplulaiton base, no concerns with the Hardy-Weinberg priniples and we are in no danger of non-elective inbreeding (except maybe in the deep south - but that's more the elective choice). And in the North: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apscience_story.asp?category=1501&slug=Amish%20Gene%20Hunting QuoteIsolated populations with homogenous genes such as the Amish in central Pennsylvania, the Ashkenazi Jews and Indian tribes offer genetic researchers unparalleled insight into disease and genetics. These closed populations, whether by geography or religion, were created by just a few families - called the "founder effect" - and built on generations of inbreeding. The Amish have higher rates of inherited disease caused by bad, recessive genes that are diluted in the general population but remain captive in closed societies. That increases the odds that distant relatives that are each carriers of a rare disorder will marry and produce afflicted children."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #44 July 3, 2005 Well, my wife says so...... and that's good enough for me (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #45 July 3, 2005 But that's still kind of the "elective" inbreeding - whether it's their choice or their parents. The entire population, as a whole, is large enough, but the sub-culture wants to stay within their specific unit, which gives the smaller genetic base. (it's cool to study those populations, but kinda un-cool to see some of those recessive diseases that shouldn't be so common) But even so, females still shouldn't be considered more "valuable" then the males in the groups. (except in regards to OB/GYN practices ... then from a finance point, the women win, cuz you just don't make a lot of money on pap smears for men) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #46 July 4, 2005 I was going to go into a long semi-scientific analysis of population growth comparing two scenarios - one with 100 women/1 man and the other with 100 men/1 woman but then reality hit me..... In the population of 1 woman and 100 men, the men would battle to the death over the woman until 3 of them are left with 1 of them getting to impregnate the woman. The other two guys are gay and are perfectly happy with each other. In the population of 1 man with 100 women, the man would get to impregnate about 3-4 women before the rest of them drove him crazy to the point of suicide. Truth is starnger than fiction....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #47 July 4, 2005 ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Ya know, cognitive thinking and sciencific theories aside - your scenarios are probably far more accurate. But, do you really think a man would commit suicide after impregnating only 3-4 of the women? Seems like a fairly weak willed man there? I'd say that the average man could get to about 25 before the rest drove him nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #48 July 4, 2005 ok, guys you are missing the point. We can cook, We can breed We rub your tummy when it aches We scratch your back when you are sick We let you play with remote sometimes We pick up the kids/pets puke We pick you up when you are drunk We put up with your skank friends We deal with your mother We watch sport when you want We watch you skydive We praise you when you have a cool landing And we are so gonna kick your ass in competition!! So no more dumb questions, ok? I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #49 July 4, 2005 Quote And we are so gonna kick your ass in competition!! Oh yeah????? Just step over this line... ------------------------------------------ Uh....well....just you step over THIS line... ------------------------------------------ Uhhh.....I hear my Mommy calling....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #50 July 4, 2005 Quote(except in regards to OB/GYN practices ... then from a finance point, the women win, cuz you just don't make a lot of money on pap smears for men) you still will get a lot more business if there are men, (especially sailors) around to dirty up the vaginas. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
