rhino 0 #51 June 26, 2005 QuoteHe does, they're just different to your principles. Their are people that stand for what THEY believe in.. Then their are people that go with the masses.. You do the math.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #52 June 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe does, they're just different to your principles. Their are people that stand for what THEY believe in.. Then their are people that go with the masses.. You do the math.. OK, since there has been a Republican in office 16 of th last 24 years and there will be for the next 4 years to come equalling 20 of 28 years, who's the sheeple? More people are voting Repugnican, who is following the masses? ......."You do the math.." To further argue the point, the House and Senate are stacked Rep., and the US SUp Ct is stacked, and it's an indirect reflection of the White House / Senate...... Who's following the masses? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #53 June 26, 2005 QuoteWhen a women burns a flag in front of Rhino, it will present him with a quite a problem. On one hand, he would physically attack anyone who burned "his" flag. On the other he says, "Yes. It is my standard. I fight for my standards. Just like I won't let a man hit a women because I SAY SO. It's my belief system and it will be enforced." What will Rhino do? jen He claims he would, truth is screamers never fight, and fighters never scream. Could be littleman complex - big truck / small cock..... essesentially compensation. Besides, Rhino is a closet burner..... thou protests too loudly..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #54 June 26, 2005 Commenting on the size of someone's genitalia is not appropriate here, especially not when done in a pejorative way. I'm banning you from this forum for 14 days. Please try to play nice when you come back.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #55 June 26, 2005 >get the fuck out of the country then and go someplace you can >be proud of, maybe Iraq, I hear they treat women real nice . . . Yeah! We should boot out the thugs running that place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #56 June 26, 2005 QuoteCommenting on the size of someone's genitalia is not appropriate here, especially not when done in a pejorative way. Pejorative? Damn, I had to look that one up... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackb431 0 #57 June 27, 2005 As a combat vetran who served 2 tours in Afghanistan I thought I would chime in on this. I am not sure of your stand point Jen but I will explain to you my thoughts the best I can. As correctly stated the flag is a only symbol and even though it's care and display is listed is the US title code there is no criminal offense to the intentional destruction of the flag. (And I don't mean the ceremonious retiring of OUR flag) With that being said it would anger and sadden me to see a fellow American burn OUR flag. I feel I have sacrificed 4 years and some memories that will never leave my head no matter how I try to forget them, just as men and women before me and those who will after I am gone, to see that flag fly. It means alot to me. We all know OUR country has many issues and seems to cloud the principals that were once so clear; but having been to the middle east and parts of Europe I do beleive that through all of our Nation's faults we still live in the greatest Nation on Earth. I personally disdain politics and the coruption that follows hand in hand with them but I will continue to support those who lead our Nation where ever it goes and vote for who ever supports the soldiers because when all is said and done EVERY (to include your stance on flag burning) right we have was secured on the blood of American men and women soldiers. Damn, I feel I am ranting but not getting my point across so I will close with this. I would be more than happy to hear your veiws and possibly support them after being educated on your thought process but NOT if I ever saw disgrace a symbol that means so much to me and I hope in the grand scheme of things to you as well. Good luck but try to find another way to express your thoughts without having to fight through the negative emotions that burning OUR flag would create in the majority of those you are tying to educate on your views. BenHackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #58 June 27, 2005 Very good post. Thanks for making it. No one can ever argue with your feelings and your opinions when they're stated as such. However, seeing that people who are clearly of good will can hold a viewpoint without shoving it down your throat makes it better heard. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackb431 0 #59 June 27, 2005 Being that I hold several views not deemed popular by today's standard I find it is easier to sway people to your side by educating them rather than infuriating them. But I need to make it clear in no uncertain terms that the malicious burning of OUR flag just should not take place. Too many people wether the reasons were right, wrong, just or un just have giving up thier lives so that OUR nation's flag may fly proudly in the sky. Speaking of flying in the sky what's say we all get together and share a jump and some beer than talk it out rationaly. We might all just come out a bit smarter. But hey if not at least we got a jump and some beer!HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #60 June 27, 2005 mmmmm ...... beerSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #61 June 27, 2005 QuoteWhen a women burns a flag in front of Rhino, it will present him with a quite a problem. I would hope he ignores it...Like I would hope he igones this whole slanderous post. WOW, a whole THREAD to try and attack someone? Not even I have earned that."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #62 June 27, 2005 QuoteWriting "lisamariewillbe" on one of my flags and torching it. I am burning it for the RIGHT reasons. I'm trying to reclaim my country from the "patriots". While making attackes and threatening gestures? Anyone know how this woman can make threats and not get banned? Anyone?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #63 June 27, 2005 QuoteVindictive? Never met Rhino. I don't know a thing about him except what he posts here. What could I possibly be seeking revenge for? You have posted TWO threads that are direct attacks on him. Yes you are Vindictive... Also your quote is way fucked up....It should be the actors name, not "President".... Sheesh, you probley don't know the difference between the two."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #64 June 27, 2005 QuoteInteresting question you pose here. Personally I would not be able to cause you harm. I might at least hesitata to defend you if someone wanted to whip your ass. You know.. Like you say .. If you aren't watching it isn't happening.. I might just have to walk away. Especially if it's another woman whipping your ass. If it's a guy I might just have to defend you verbally... If you would not stop a male attacker, then you are using a double standard. And while I can CLEARLY see her attacks against you...I mean she has started two threads against you...And I have no idea how she contiunes to be allowed to do it since they are clear attacks on you. But if you claim to defend women, but not her... Its a serious double standard."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #65 June 27, 2005 Maybe I've missed an argument on another thread but this looks alot like a cheap shot at Rhino to me. I belive Rhino is a man of honour who would not abuse a woman even if she was burning her nations flag (A reprehensable act as far as I am concerned) I don't think he'd be over quick to act though if another woman came up and bitch slapped you though. I think if you burn your nations flag then you don't deserve to be awarded the protection of your nation, I don't always agree with Americas overseas policies but would never stoop so low as to burn the US flag. Under that flag men and women died to ensure you (and I, and the rest of Europe) have the rights we do today. Even (at the moment) the right to burn the flag. That you should choose to do so shits on their memory. Shame on you or any American that burns the Stars and stripes.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #66 June 27, 2005 QuoteTheir are people that stand for what THEY believe in. This thread is wrong. I may not always agree with you, but I will always know where you stand when it comes to your love and dedication to your country. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #67 June 27, 2005 Hey, you apparently have no clue on how to properly cite a quote. May I suggest attending perhaps a continuing education class at a local college or even just looking up proper grammer usage in one of the accepted standards. (It wouldn't be so bad if your sigline wasn't so damned long and annoying. Do you type that in after every post or something, since its well past the character limit for siglines?)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #68 June 27, 2005 Quote it is a symbol nothing more, and symbols CANNOT BE HARMED by destroying their physical representations... they can only be harmed by undermining the fundamental principles they represent........................you disgrace our flag, when you place a physical representation of our country higher than the principles on which it was founded... Well said. Weakness, insecurity in your beliefs, myopic opinions, control issues and anger management issues seem to be popping up in this thread. People will believe they are doing the right thing, saying the right thing all in the name of being "A Patriotic American." It is these people that need to go back and study what our Founders wrote and remember WHY they composed it and fought to defend those ideas. Beliefs are a very dangerous thing. Fanatical, violent beliefs like those being expressed yet again about this topic are just like those generate the hate that paints us as the great satan. It only takes one step down a slippery slope to fall all the way to the bottom.....it seems many are willing to make that step just to feel "patriotic." My guess? These people will continue their rants until the day comes when someone tries to remove one of their freedoms (maybe as a consequence of their extreme actions??)....then they will complain about how unfair it all is. Maybe then they will realize the damage their words are causing. BUT!! Since I am a good American, I fully support their right to rant on end about this even thou I fully disagree with them (see how that works??)._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #69 June 27, 2005 Quotethere isnt a single personal attack in my post, whereas yours clearly shows you lack any real understanding about what makes our country great... and it has NOTHING to do with the flag, and everything to do with the principles on which it was founded... i dont burn flags of any country, it simply doenst make any difference to me as i know it is a pointless act of protest.. I DO defend anyone's right to burn ours, or any others they wish to as i understand it is a reflection of the difference inherent in our system, and a clear expression of its strength in comparison to nearly all others.. you are clearly exchanging form over substance by defending an object more than the principle it represents... Obviously enough has not been said as you still seem to think the flag itself is more important...perhaps some American Civics lessons would help? good points and well put together post, thanks. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #70 June 27, 2005 QuoteI would be more than happy to hear your veiws and possibly support them after being educated on your thought process but NOT if I ever saw disgrace a symbol that means so much to me and I hope in the grand scheme of things to you as well. Good luck but try to find another way to express your thoughts without having to fight through the negative emotions that burning OUR flag would create in the majority of those you are tying to educate on your views. Exactly my point all along on this issue. But one thing, she doesn't have any speech to make or issue to educate or discuss - so how is it free speech? It's only childish conflict. Saying "NO" just to be conflictive. Instead of an impotent symbolic act to try to vaguely express disagreement with some of Rhino's statements, most would be more receptive to intelligent discussion of the differences. It's counterproductive. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 26 #71 June 27, 2005 QuoteWhat will Rhino do? Jen, I seriously suggest you use this forum to talk to people, not about them. While you're not technically breaking a forum rule with this poll you did manage to burn all your credit with me. Tread very carefully for a while.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
