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IanHarrop 42
Proof of that is the US healthcare system is one of the finest in the world.
Do you have references to back up this statement?
"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy
Comparing the price of the Qur'an from amazon.com to the price of the foods I listed to produce the turd, the total price of the foods is greater than the cost of the Qur'an. Simple arithmetic and I stand by it.
I suppose, though, that you are referring to the intrinsic value of the Qur'an vs. the intrinsic value of the turd. As a tool for brainwashing a bunch of susceptible people into doing incredibly vile and inhumane acts, the Qur'an has considerably more value than the turd. In my opinion it ranks right on up there with money as a motivator for doing evil.
Muslims, or at least the really vocal ones, seem to have quite an ability to rationalize violence in the name of religion. "Allah Akbar!!!" followed by the loud boom of an explosion has become a commonplace occurrence.
I haven't heard of anyone shouting, "Long live the turd!!!" and killing themselves and innocent bystanders with a bomb. I think the typical turd is much less prone to being used as rationale for heinous acts of violence. From that perspective, at least the turd does less damage than the Qur'an.
I'll leave it to each individual to judge which they consider to be of more value to humanity.
Walt
As a tool for brainwashing a bunch of susceptible people into doing incredibly vile and inhumane acts, the Qur'an has considerably more value than the turd.
Would you say that this analysis applies to the bible as well?
Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."
Ron 10
Do you have references to back up this statement?
People come here for cancer treatments from all over the World.
Ill look for a source, but I see them, and have talked to them.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Didn't Bush Senior pull this same crap?
When things weren't going well under his watch, he suddenly pulled this ant-flag desecration ammendment out of his ass in order to distract people.
Bush Junior is pulling the same thing.
When things weren't going well under his watch, he suddenly pulled this ant-flag desecration ammendment out of his ass in order to distract people.
Bush Junior is pulling the same thing.
Speed Racer
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skydyvr 0
I haven't heard of anyone shouting, "Long live the turd!!!"
You obviously aren't watching enough South Park.
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That is a very good question. Christianity and Islam both have had plenty of atrocities committed in their names throughout history, but in modern times I don't recall anyone killing in the name of the Christian God. The same is certainly not true for Islam.
Here is the problem I have with Christianity: I can kill a bunch of people for no reason and still get into Christian Heaven by accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. On the other hand, if I live a life without sin and do not accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, my soul goes straight to Hell.
Here is the problem I have with Islam (and I must admit, MOST of what I know of Islam comes from what I see in the media, although I do have Muslim friends and have talked at length with them about their religion): I can kill a bunch of innocent people in the name of Allah and go straight to Muslim Paradise.
Where is the sanity in all of this?
To answer your question directly, yes, the Christian Bible is often used to brainwash people into doing things they would not normally do, but there just doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of violence associated with the Bible as there is with the Qur'an.
It seems to me that Islam and Judaism have a very high level of paranoia. Both seem to view themselves as being constantly under attack. Christianity, on the other hand, does not project that same level of paranoia.
Walt
Good point--I stand corrected!!!
Walt
Ron 10
As a tool for brainwashing a bunch of susceptible people into doing incredibly vile and inhumane acts, the Qur'an has considerably more value than the turd.
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Would you say that this analysis applies to the bible as well?
Yes.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
EBSB52 0
but to do that they need to cater to the thumpers, .
You see, there is the problem. You don't cater to the "thumpers" or any group in particular. You lay out a platform that makes sense both fiscally and socially. I don't think either team is doing a real good job at that. We have the equivalent of people voting for the party they think has the best looking hats. Where's the substance?
And of course, if someone is poor, then they are to the left fiscally if they are short term thinkers - which is likely true for people living day to day.
The "thumpers" aren't some little group of whackos that want the US flag save from everyone's BIC lighter, they are a huge contingency and if they see a political party fail to do anything but pass this anti-gay, anti-control BS they will vote against them. The thumoers aren't some small, narrowly focused amicus group that wants to save the hoot owl and they see no other reason to live and vote, so the left would have to assume the right's moral calendar in order to woo some votes - won't happen.
You lay out a platform that makes sense both fiscally and socially.
Contemporarily people aren't into sense, they're into having their opinons and ethnicity passed along to everyone. Ross Perot made sense, he received 19% of the populous vote and no electoral votes.
We have the equivalent of people voting for the party they think has the best looking hats.
Naw, the parties are clearly defined and teh dichotomy goes like this:
1. Fiscal position
2. Moral position.
Now, some peole like me are left of center on both accounts, some are right on both and some weigh one far more heavily than the others. I think a good example of this are the American Hispanics, where the are often fiscally left, but hooked on the Jebus card for Guadalupe and all that wonderful nonsense.... they vote right and live in poverty so Jesus gets one for the ole Gipper. You have the other type, often the well-off tyoe that wants his sexual or herbal pleasures, but hates poor people... these guys will vote either way depending upon many factors.
See, I don't think it's hat color/design, I think it depends upon where people place their priorities and the left can't assume this mainstream protocol and expect the thumpers to join in in large numbers. The left would have to wholesale sellout and join the right in their hate for abortion, gays, premarital sex, etc.... not so easy.
And of course, if someone is poor, then they are to the left fiscally if they are short term thinkers - which is likely true for people living day to day.
I dunno. There are a lot of poor people who are educated and not this street scum, transient type that you lean toward here. Short term thinkers..... hmmm, I know some righties I would consider to be that....
wrong. According to Christianity, if you live a life totally without sin, there's nothing separating you from heaven.On the other hand, if I live a life without sin and do not accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, my soul goes straight to Hell.
Problem is, only one person has managed to do this.
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EBSB52 0
My healthcare was great during the Clinton years but since that asshole Bush got in my care is next to nothing.
There have been myriad changes in the healthcare system in the last couple of decades. Much of this comes from figuring out that the system simply can't afford free rides to everyone for everything.
I'll put it this way - a couple of years ago I was having a great time! Skydiving, gigging, trips to Vegas and elsewhere. Everything I wanted to do I did. Then the money ran out, and I haven't been able to do it in a couple of years.
Under that asshole Bush I was having a great time. Then I wasn't.
And think about it - has your government health-care gotten worse, or has the health care you're paying for solely out of your own pocket gotten worse? If it's the latter, then I'd suggest you switch doctors. If the former, any free healthcare is good healt care, isn't it?
Hmm, socialist countries have figured out these, uh, free rides. Free rides: does that oppose letting people die in the streets? I think so, but in the US we villify poor people.... great country we have.
Under that asshole Bush I was having a great time. Then I wasn't.
What, was it Bush's largets tax increase in history that made that happen? What event that Bush 1 did and Clinton didn't do cuased your quality of life to plumet, IYO?
Bush 1 and 2 = hates lawyers
Clinton = That depends what the definition of "is" is
Truth is Clinton loved lawyers - he is one (minus suspension) and Bush hates them. I don't understand what presidentially caused your life to plummet under Clinton. Litterally, everyone else did well under the Clinton admin, stock market was at all time highs, etc....
Perhaps something unrelated to CLinton occurred that led to your diminshed fun????
has the health care you're paying for solely out of your own pocket gotten worse? If it's the latter, then I'd suggest you switch doctors.
If only I had several thousand dollars.
And think about it - has your government health-care gotten worse.........If the former, any free healthcare is good healt care, isn't it?
Free? Taxes pay for that. Why is it we have to be poor to get access? WHy shouldn't all Americans, born or naturalized be entitled health care via governement programs? Don't you want your fellow countryman/woman to have heathcare over personal gain? Where is your allegiance?
jenfly00 0
Personally, I would rather see those who desecrate the freedoms that made this country great get the fuck out.
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
wrong. According to Christianity, if you live a life totally without sin, there's nothing separating you from heaven.On the other hand, if I live a life without sin and do not accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, my soul goes straight to Hell.
Problem is, only one person has managed to do this.
Kind of tough odds!!!
Walt
flifree 0
WHy shouldn't all Americans, born or naturalized be entitled health care via governement programs?
i agree it would be nice if everyone could have healthcare, but there isn't one single section of the Constitution that says ANYONE is entitled to heatlthcare. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness can mean a lot of things to a lot of people, but i don't think it means free healthcare for everyone.
rhino 0
Love the country, or love the flag? Are you saying that one can't love one without loving the other?
Ask Rich's son what the flag means to him.
I am saying as a country we need a standard. And allowing our countries symbol to be burned at will so a bunch of pansies can feel like they are exercising free speech is in the wrong. We need to raise that standard immediately.
rhino 0
the same as some maggots crying about burning the US flag?
So you are personally attacking those of us that are against flag burning?
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EBSB52 0
UH, huh, like I wrote in the apolgy to the gentleman with AIDS, these Bush lovers helped to take the meds out of his hands and will not comment on it when a real person is ill.
How wrong you are.
I didn't vote for Bush to remove meds from people. I voted for Bush becasue he was clearly better than Kerry.
Nice try at trying to tie two unrelated subjects together. I don't like the idea of socialised medicine...It does not work well. Proof of that is the US healthcare system is one of the finest in the world.
But this is not a topic about that. It was also not a topic for you to show your true colors, but you did that just fine.
Nice of you to act nice now, but you clearly showed your true colors.
I didn't vote for Bush to remove meds from people. I voted for Bush becasue he was clearly better than Kerry.
Uh, wrong - it's a package deal. When you vote for Bush, you say yes to the Iraq war, yes to disallowing people to file for bankruptcy, even if due to medical bills, yes to corporate profit, and yes to AIDS victims not getting their meds and general help that is much needed in that area. You can't say that you want Bush for some things and Kerry for others, you place your priority and vote it - we see your priority isn't helping AIDS patienst or other ill people, the elderly, etc...
Proof of that is the US healthcare system is one of the finest in the world.
OK, you wrote it's proven, where? You wrote, "proof" but failed to prove it. Best, maybe for the minoroty of rich, but equally and oppositely worse for the poor.
Nice try at trying to tie two unrelated subjects together.
Which 2? Medical care and the president? Uh, WTF? They are very related.
But this is not a topic about that. It was also not a topic for you to show your true colors, but you did that just fine.
Right, segue away from your voting choice that helped lead us to all poor or middle class AIDS patients be reduced to waiting to die w/o help from this POS country. I want my tax dollars going to help victims of AIDS and all other diseases instaed of to some corporation. Then you wrote:
Nice of you to act nice now, but you clearly showed your true colors.
Evidently you have too, you would prefer the $$ go to corps instead of disease victims.
If I were to talk to the average person with AIDS or a disease/condition of the spine where stem cell research could help and I asked them if they had their choice:
1. Have someone call them names for an hour and receive meds
-or-
2. Not be called names and not receive meds
Which would they choose. You did the righty thing; get hung on semantics and let the important semantic things go to waste.
rhino 0
if someone wants to do it then the law currently allows it.
Well.. Abortion is currently that way now as well. Laws change. Slavery use to be legal. It isn't anymore..
I am saying as a country we need a standard.
A standard of making everything that offends someone a federal crime?
rhino 0
It's not that easy. It costs a lot
I guess it is easier for you to make excuses than to move. Alot less work.
Actually, from what EBS and free are saying, it sounds like they have proof that socialized medicine does not work well. It's what we have in America, after all.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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