EBSB52 0 #126 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuote Christians are much more subtle about it. The US backing Israel is the US' way of defending Christianity as well as oil, ideology. I have never understood US backing of Israel. IMO with friends like that, who needs enemies? I don't see the support as being based on Christianity, though I would really like to see your reasoning. Quote but there just doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of violence associated with the Bible as there is with the Qur'an. Sorry bro, but I have to respectfully disagree here. We are just so subtle about it and hind behind the guise of alterior motive. I don't like the application of the Quran, but the Bible is no better. Again, I would like more detail on your reasoning. Many Muslims were highly upset by some comment that President Bush made that included the word "crusade". Their interpretation was that the US invasion of Iraq was some sort of holy war that Bush was waging. To me, their response indicated a complete lack of understanding of how this country works. I believe that the primary motivations of the people that run the US are money and power. When they hide behind religion, it is only for convenience. Walt I have never understood US backing of Israel. IMO with friends like that, who needs enemies? I don't see the support as being based on Christianity, though I would really like to see your reasoning. Birthplace of Jebus. Do you see us going to Taiwan's aide like that? Again, I would like more detail on your reasoning. Many Muslims were highly upset by some comment that President Bush made that included the word "crusade". Their interpretation was that the US invasion of Iraq was some sort of holy war that Bush was waging. The thought processes and semantic statements of some uneducated Iraqis means zero to me. WHat I'm talking about is the actual, substantive going to war over many things, one of which is religious ideology. For example, one thing argued over there by US officials is that Christianity wasn't legal or allowed. If we're there to keep the world safe and find WMD's, who gives a rat's ass about religion? To me, their response indicated a complete lack of understanding of how this country works. Sure, agreed, but this is not aboutthem or their interpretation, reaction, etc., this is about our actions and motives. I believe that the primary motivations of the people that run the US are money and power. When they hide behind religion, it is only for convenience. I think it is so dynamic that it is impossible to understand it at the tim, maybe ever. Sometimes it'smoney, sometimes spite,sometimes oil, sometimes religion, sometimes XYZ. It's usually a proportion of many of these things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,552 #127 June 23, 2005 Holy cow -- you don't even have 1000 posts yet? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #128 June 23, 2005 Fortunately the Senate needs a supermajority to pass, which won't likely happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #129 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuotewrong. According to Christianity, if you live a life totally without sin, there's nothing separating you from heaven. Problem is, only one person has managed to do this. What a crock of shit. You mean to tell me that an infant who died soon after birth commited sins? I'm not addressing who gets into heaven. I'm simply addressing who has commited a sin. Once again I call bullshit. Then again I think the whole Christian religion is bullshit. Ah shit why stop there. I think all man made religions are bullshit. They only exist as a way to attempt to control people. Now what does religion, healthcare and all the other crap being mentioned in this thread have to do with the US passing a law against burning the US flag? I like this guy!!! Walt I'm not so sure that I like him He's trying to bring focus to this argument so that it can be dicussed rationally, where is the fun in that?"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #130 June 23, 2005 ***And typically, the new advances in medicine, treatments, and surgical technique usually come from countries that don't have, or have a very limited version of, socialized medicine. The USA continues to invent a disproportionately-large amount of medical advances.*** Oh REALLY? The CT Scanner was invented by a chap called Hounsfield here in England. MRI was invented by British citizen Sir Peter Mansfield— awarded the Nobel Prize for developing the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) machine. Ultrasound.... 1957 Tom Brown and Ian Donald invented and constructed the prototype of the first Compound B-mode contact scanner. The transducer operated at 2.5MHz.The prototype was improved to become the Diasonograph, manufactured by Smith Industrials of England Actually for a country our size we produce a rediculous amount of inventions and medical advancements. Oh, and we have the worlds best socialsed medical service, free at the point of delivery. And then there is DNA discovered by Watson and Crick here in England.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #131 June 23, 2005 QuoteAre you attacking those who support or who actually burn flags? Can you read? Re-read my statement that you posted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #132 June 23, 2005 QuotePeople come here for cancer treatments from all over the World. And that to you proves that the US has the best health care system? How do you know not more people travel to India for cancer treatment? How about all other health services? How about in relation to the size of the health crae system....How about costs and availability? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #133 June 23, 2005 QuoteI like this guy!!! LOL ... I was waiting to get flamed not praised for that post. I was raised in a Christian home (my parents took us to church but we weren't your typically bible thumpers). But since then I have seen too much shit in my time to believe in the Christian rhetoric (or as I said ... all man made religions). I have no problems with people believing in God. In fact I kind of have my own personal relationship with God (if God does indeed exist). But I have issues with people telling me that this man-made religion is right while all the others are wrong. They're all wrong as far as I'm concerned. Back on topic ... I hope this law isn't passed. I don't believe that people (American or Foreigners) should desecrate a national emblem such as a flag. But where do you stop? Next thing you know the US congress will be passing a law to ensure that everyone eats one slice of apple pie after each and every dinner. Of course I won't need to worry about this soon as the INS will be deporting my ass sometime before the year is out. Illegal immigrants willing to work for peanuts are welcome in this country while educated computer professionals with 20 years of experience are told to leave. Of course I'm fed up with all the crap in corporate America, so maybe leaving is a good thing for me. If I'm lucky I can pass the light gun test (I have a restriction on my medical due to my red/green color deficiency), get my commercial pilot rating and become a CFI, CFII and MEI (as well as of course eventually getting my TM and AFF ratings). I won't be rich, but at least I'll be happy taking to the skies to teach people how to fly as well as how to skydive. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #134 June 23, 2005 >Proof of that is the US healthcare system is one of the finest in the world. A friend of mine, who is both a world-class skydiver and pretty well off, recently flew to Sweden to get surgery on her shoulder. I know several other skydivers who have done that, because the care is better and the cost is much less even with the plane ticket. In the future, we will see more and more people going overseas to get stem-cell treatments that they can't get here in the US, and to get procedures that they could never afford here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #135 June 23, 2005 QuoteI think anyone who hates our constitution so much that they want to change it for political reasons should go somewhere where they don't have to deal with things like the Bill of Rights. I never said i hated our constitution. Please don't put words in my mouth, i'm quite capable of doing such on my own without your help. I can't hardly believe our society has denegrated to the point where anyone thinks "O.K." to burn an american flag for any reason. It sure is funny how everyone was a flag flying mofo after 09/11, now all of a sudden everyone want's their "RIGHT" to burn an american flag protected. Sorry, i call BS.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #136 June 23, 2005 >Proof of that is the US healthcare system is one of the finest in the world. The USA is down the list when it comes to infant mortality. During the first year of life babies are more likely to survive if they are born in 35 other countries rather than in the USA. http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_Infant_Mortality_Rate_aall.htm"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #137 June 23, 2005 QuoteDuring the first year of life babies are more likely to survive if they are born in 35 other countries rather than in the USA. How about if they have cancer?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #138 June 23, 2005 ~~~~~~~~~Thread drift~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #139 June 23, 2005 QuoteAsk Rich's son what the flag means to him. I can't wait until i get a chance to direct him here to these nonsenseacle posts and replies. My son took a bullet in the back in iraq for the flag, and all of you people here on this sight, do i think he would be offended? Yes, i do, am i offended someone would dissrespect the icon of the greatest nation on earth, yes. To burn the flag would mean anyone taking any action to do so would be a show of great dissdain for any, and all americans who have willingly given their lives defending the nation that flies it. To those members of society who put their lives on the front lines every day to protect our nation, and our flag i salute you, and you have my most gracious and humble appreciation.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #140 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteDuring the first year of life babies are more likely to survive if they are born in 35 other countries rather than in the USA. How about if they have cancer? The babies don't live long enough to get cancer...."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #141 June 23, 2005 QuoteCancer treatment and the availabilityof it for all isn't a measure of the entire system. Let's talk about quality and quantity (availability). Availability has nothing to do with quality. Just because you have your panties in a wad of the cost does not mean it is not good care."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #142 June 23, 2005 QuoteChristians are much more subtle about it. The US backing Israel is the US' way of defending Christianity That shows your knowledge right there. Islam believes in Christ, Jews don't. So supporting Israel, does NOT support Chritianity."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #143 June 23, 2005 >I can't hardly believe our society has denegrated to the point >where anyone thinks "O.K." to burn an american flag for any reason. And I can hardly believe that we have people who are against free speech, who actually want to change our constitution to deny people freedoms. >It sure is funny how everyone was a flag flying mofo after 09/11, >now all of a sudden everyone want's their "RIGHT" to burn an >american flag protected. Sorry, i call BS. I'm not gay but I think the rights of gays should be protected. It's possible to not be something (gay, black, a flag burner, a protester) but still think those people should have their rights protected. It's what we stand for as a nation - freedom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #144 June 23, 2005 QuoteUh, wrong - it's a package deal So you know why I voted for people? Wow, you are missing your true calling guessing people weights and futures at the freak show. QuoteOK, you wrote it's proven, where? You wrote, "proof" but failed to prove it. Best, maybe for the minoroty of rich, but equally and oppositely worse for the poor. You mistake AGAIN "free" with good."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #145 June 23, 2005 QuoteThe babies don't live long enough to get cancer.... OK ,how about the ones that do? And you knew what I meant."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #146 June 23, 2005 QuoteWhat would you do to some one who pisses on the US flag? What would YOU do if someone pissed on your canopy? For what so many in the past have willingly fought and died for everyone sure is in a hurry to desecrate it. Hell why don't you just go and desecrate the battle ship Arizona in Pearl Harbor in Hawaii? Now, i'd like to see that!-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #147 June 23, 2005 QuoteIt's what we stand for as a nation - freedom. Your taking the word out of it's context in this instance inmho.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John4455 0 #148 June 23, 2005 Quote[quote am i offended someone would dissrespect the icon of the greatest nation on earth, yes. To burn the flag would mean anyone taking any action to do so would be a show of great dissdain for any, and all americans who have willingly given their lives defending the nation that flies it. I would consider it treason. How do ya like it Johnny? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #149 June 23, 2005 QuoteIt sure is funny how everyone was a flag flying mofo after 09/11, now all of a sudden everyone want's their "RIGHT" to burn an american flag protected. Sorry, i call BS. Flying a flag and burning a flag are simply two different forms of exercising freedom of expression. Wanting to ban one while protecting the other is the incongruous perspective. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #150 June 23, 2005 QuoteThat shows your knowledge right there. Islam believes in Christ, Jews don't. So supporting Israel, does NOT support Chritianity. Believes what exactly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
