rehmwa 2 #26 June 23, 2005 QuoteHow old does one have to be for old-farthood? . Well, to be an old fart - age is only one criteria of two ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #27 June 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou take a decision by one small group, and from that, you try to extrapolate it to a general "sexism" charge against all 18 million citizens of Texas? Where did he do that? If I say freeflying is alive and well at Perris am I saying that all jumpers at Perris are freeflyers? He said it in his thread title: "Sexism alive and well in Texas" If you take that title the way you are suggesting with your skydiving analogy, then it becomes meaningless. Because most certainly we could find at least one sexist person in every state in America. Therefore, every state in America would be "sexist" by this loose definition. And if every state is sexist, then there's no reason to single out Texas as being unusual. So this whole line of reasoning is bogus. If you had only one freeflyer at Perris, then freeflying might be alive there, but not quite "well". It would take a healthy population of regular freeflyers to reach "well" status. Once again, one example does not make a trend. I'm suggesting that it takes more than one incident to brand an entire state as sexist. Kallend has attempted to denigrate 18 million good citizens, because of the actions of only a few. It's like saying that all skydivers are reckless canopy pilots with a death wish. That's bigotry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #28 June 23, 2005 Quote How old does one have to be for old-farthood? . At least 50, I know cause I'm an old fart (according to my kids) Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #29 June 23, 2005 QuoteIs it sexist - YES Did it happen in Texas - YES Policy of a state supported organization - YES. Is corruption wrong? YES Does corruption happen in Chicago? YES Has corruption occured in the city police department? YES Conclusion: Police corruption is alive and well in Chicago! Is that a proper characterization of the Chicago Police? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #30 June 23, 2005 QuoteHow old does one have to be for old-farthood? That's a rolling scale: They have to be 10 years older than me. Are you sure you're older than me? We'll have to compare birthdates someday. I coulda swore you were only 21! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #31 June 24, 2005 Heehee - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #32 June 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteIs it sexist - YES Did it happen in Texas - YES Policy of a state supported organization - YES. Is corruption wrong? YES Does corruption happen in Chicago? YES Has corruption occured in the city police department? YES Conclusion: Police corruption is alive and well in Chicago! Is that a proper characterization of the Chicago Police? Yes. And in City Hall too. There are cases EVERY year. Doesn't mean ALL Chicago officials are corrupt, but it's there all the same. The bogus argument about vocal cord damage is so ridiculous as to not warrant further comment.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #33 June 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhen you're digging yourself a hole, it's a good idea when you hit rock bottom, to stop digging. I'm not surprised that you defend it though, after all, folks down there once argued that slavery was actually in the best interests of its victims. Gosh, first you try and brand the entire population of Texas because of a decision by just a few people. And now you go back over 150 years to try and suggest that Texans are still a bunch of dumb racist bigots today. What's that "clink" sound I keep hearing? Oh, that's just your shovel hitting bedrock... I'm embarrassed for you, for what you are doing to your own reputation. Please stop digging. For your sake! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #34 June 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteHas corruption occured in the city police department? YES There are cases EVERY year. Doesn't mean ALL Chicago officials are corrupt There you go - you just defeated your own argument. Likewise, just because one or two people banned a boy from singing a girl's part, doesn't mean that "sexism is alive and well in Texas". Since you now seem to recognize this principle, I wonder why you started an entire thread to the contrary? Thanks for finally seeing the light. QuoteThe bogus argument about vocal cord damage is so ridiculous as to not warrant further comment. Spend a little time reading through here, especially the "Disorders" section: Vocalist.org You better stick to physics, and leave the medical knowledge to the doctors. Quit digging! (Or at least get a smaller shovel.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #35 June 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote QuoteThe bogus argument about vocal cord damage is so ridiculous as to not warrant further comment. Spend a little time reading through here, especially the "Disorders" section: Vocalist.org You better stick to physics, and leave the medical knowledge to the doctors. Quit digging! (Or at least get a smaller shovel.) You try it instead - most of them are "File not found" errors. Vocal chord injuries have many causes, including shouting and cheering. So when did Texas ban cheering at high school sports events? If Texas was SO CONCERNED about student injuries it would ban high school football competely. It doesn't. Therefore the excuse is bogus and hypocritical.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #36 June 26, 2005 QuoteVocal chord injuries have many causes, including shouting and cheering. So when did Texas ban cheering at high school sports events? If Texas was SO CONCERNED about student injuries it would ban high school football competely. It doesn't. Therefore the excuse is bogus and hypocritical. Um, the story with which you accused Texans of sexism, was about a music board decision. The music board doesn't control football. If they did you could claim they are hypocritical. But since they don't, there is no hypocrisy on their part. A quick search on this story found this:Timothy Maguire, a professional countertenor and male soprano from San Francisco, said his doctor gave him strict instructions not to sing that way because it could cause polyps to form on his vocal chords. ...the group adopted the rule two years ago because of concerns that girls auditioning for tenor parts were hurting their voices by singing too low. "If you make a rule one way it has to work both ways." Vocal fold nodules are benign growths on both vocal folds that are caused by vocal abuse. Over time, repeated misuse of the vocal folds results in soft, swollen spots on each vocal fold that develop into harder, callus-like growths. Appropriate voice classification is essential; singing out of range is asking for vocal trouble. Likewise, singers should use care in developing the extremes of their range, and should avoid singing too many high (or low) notes during a practice period. And why would you be so surprised that different people doing different things would reach different decisions? Gosh, get a grip on yourself. Quit digging! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,175 #37 June 26, 2005 Over 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #38 June 26, 2005 QuoteOver 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Does this mean that you have finally quit digging that "sexism" hole in which you've been standing, but have now crawled back up to ground level and are now going to start digging a parallel "football" shaft? The more you attack Southerners with your Yankee liberal attitude, the worse you look. Give it up, Kallend. Put down your mouse and walk away from this thread. Spare yourself any further humiliation. I'll bet you can't do it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,175 #39 June 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteOver 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Does this mean that you have finally quit digging that "sexism" hole in which you've been standing, but have now crawled back up to ground level and are now going to start digging a parallel "football" shaft? The more you attack Southerners with your Yankee liberal attitude, the worse you look. Give it up, Kallend. Put down your mouse and walk away from this thread. Spare yourself any further humiliation. I'll bet you can't do it... Why do you continue to defend sexism in Texas schools?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #40 June 26, 2005 Quote Over 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Football is a much more popular activity, so I would assume that the educators are less likely to care about the mass of injuries (or the steroid use) because of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,175 #41 June 26, 2005 QuoteQuote Over 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Football is a much more popular activity, so I would assume that the educators are less likely to care about the mass of injuries (or the steroid use) because of it. BINGO. Texas schools are perfectly happy to endure student injuries when it suits them. Hypocrisy exposed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #42 June 27, 2005 QuoteWhy do you continue to defend sexism in Texas schools? I knew you couldn't do it! You have not proven that sexism exists in the decision. I'll administer yet another intellectual butt-whupping to you here, since you can't seem to quit digging that hole in which you're standing. Yes, football players get injured in Texas. Just like every other state in the nation. So I don't know why you single out Texas, other than the fact that as a Yankee liberal you just love to bash Southerners. I guess it makes you feel superior or something. Since we recognize that injuries can occur in football, we take precautions to guard against it. We require rigorous physical training, adherence to the rules of the sport prohibiting dangerous practices, and the use of protective equipment such as helmets and padding. The music rule against singing in an extreme manner is just like those football examples. It's a rule to protect young vocal cords, to prevent injury. Is it perfect? No, but we do what we can. What you seem to advocate, with the football analogy, is to allow 90-pound girls to play football without wearing a helmet or protective padding. That's the equivalent of allowing a young man to sing in a very high voice for extended periods of time, jeopardizing his vocal cords. So as much as you try to claim these football/music examples are hypocrisy, they really aren't. They are similar protections for the health of youth in different activities. Sorry, Kallend, but you're busted again. It must pain you to get whupped like this in debate by a dumb good-ol'-boy Texan. You may now resume your digging. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,175 #43 June 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhy do you continue to defend sexism in Texas schools? I knew you couldn't do it! You have not proven that sexism exists in the decision. I'll administer yet another intellectual butt-whupping to you here, since you can't seem to quit digging that hole in which you're standing. Yes, football players get injured in Texas. Just like every other state in the nation. So I don't know why you single out Texas, other than the fact that as a Yankee liberal you just love to bash Southerners. I guess it makes you feel superior or something. Since we recognize that injuries can occur in football, we take precautions to guard against it. We require rigorous physical training, adherence to the rules of the sport prohibiting dangerous practices, and the use of protective equipment such as helmets and padding. The music rule against singing in an extreme manner is just like those football examples. It's a rule to protect young vocal cords, to prevent injury. Is it perfect? No, but we do what we can. What you seem to advocate, with the football analogy, is to allow 90-pound girls to play football without wearing a helmet or protective padding. That's the equivalent of allowing a young man to sing in a very high voice for extended periods of time, jeopardizing his vocal cords. So as much as you try to claim these football/music examples are hypocrisy, they really aren't. They are similar protections for the health of youth in different activities. Sorry, Kallend, but you're busted again. It must pain you to get whupped like this in debate by a dumb good-ol'-boy Texan. You may now resume your digging. Is it hard patting yourself on the back like that? Your tactic of "any disagreement with me shows that you are an idiot" is not very original or clever.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #44 June 27, 2005 QuoteIs it hard patting yourself on the back like that? Your tactic of "any disagreement with me shows that you are an idiot" is not very original or clever. Huh... "Hi pot, its the kettle, you're pretty black today..." Its not as bad as you changing the arguement anytime you realize your arguement is sinking fast. Oh just for you (since you do this sort of subject changing all the time) here's a link about safe chicago. http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-bloody27.html--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #45 June 27, 2005 QuoteYour tactic of "any disagreement with me shows that you are an idiot" is not very original or clever. That's not been my tactic, so once again you have made a false allegation, unsupported by any facts or logic, just as you've been doing all along in this thread. My tactic has been to provide facts and logic to show that your allegation of sexism in Texas is untrue. My facts and logic have been supported by references. You, on the other hand, have provided nothing in rebuttal to support your claim, other than; "because I say so". You are the one guilty of the tactic which you try to attribute to me. Maybe you've been a professor so long that you expect everybody to believe everything you say, without question, and without the need for proof. That might work for your 19-year-old students, but it doesn't cut it here. Put down your shovel! 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JohnRich 4 #36 June 26, 2005 QuoteVocal chord injuries have many causes, including shouting and cheering. So when did Texas ban cheering at high school sports events? If Texas was SO CONCERNED about student injuries it would ban high school football competely. It doesn't. Therefore the excuse is bogus and hypocritical. Um, the story with which you accused Texans of sexism, was about a music board decision. The music board doesn't control football. If they did you could claim they are hypocritical. But since they don't, there is no hypocrisy on their part. A quick search on this story found this:Timothy Maguire, a professional countertenor and male soprano from San Francisco, said his doctor gave him strict instructions not to sing that way because it could cause polyps to form on his vocal chords. ...the group adopted the rule two years ago because of concerns that girls auditioning for tenor parts were hurting their voices by singing too low. "If you make a rule one way it has to work both ways." Vocal fold nodules are benign growths on both vocal folds that are caused by vocal abuse. Over time, repeated misuse of the vocal folds results in soft, swollen spots on each vocal fold that develop into harder, callus-like growths. Appropriate voice classification is essential; singing out of range is asking for vocal trouble. Likewise, singers should use care in developing the extremes of their range, and should avoid singing too many high (or low) notes during a practice period. And why would you be so surprised that different people doing different things would reach different decisions? Gosh, get a grip on yourself. Quit digging! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #37 June 26, 2005 Over 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #38 June 26, 2005 QuoteOver 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Does this mean that you have finally quit digging that "sexism" hole in which you've been standing, but have now crawled back up to ground level and are now going to start digging a parallel "football" shaft? The more you attack Southerners with your Yankee liberal attitude, the worse you look. Give it up, Kallend. Put down your mouse and walk away from this thread. Spare yourself any further humiliation. I'll bet you can't do it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #39 June 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteOver 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Does this mean that you have finally quit digging that "sexism" hole in which you've been standing, but have now crawled back up to ground level and are now going to start digging a parallel "football" shaft? The more you attack Southerners with your Yankee liberal attitude, the worse you look. Give it up, Kallend. Put down your mouse and walk away from this thread. Spare yourself any further humiliation. I'll bet you can't do it... Why do you continue to defend sexism in Texas schools?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #40 June 26, 2005 Quote Over 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Football is a much more popular activity, so I would assume that the educators are less likely to care about the mass of injuries (or the steroid use) because of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #41 June 26, 2005 QuoteQuote Over 50% of Texas high school football players experience a reportable injury in typical season. So when are Texas educators, in their desire to limit injuries to students through school related activities, going to ban high school football which is clearly much more risky than singing with a high voice? Football is a much more popular activity, so I would assume that the educators are less likely to care about the mass of injuries (or the steroid use) because of it. BINGO. Texas schools are perfectly happy to endure student injuries when it suits them. Hypocrisy exposed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #42 June 27, 2005 QuoteWhy do you continue to defend sexism in Texas schools? I knew you couldn't do it! You have not proven that sexism exists in the decision. I'll administer yet another intellectual butt-whupping to you here, since you can't seem to quit digging that hole in which you're standing. Yes, football players get injured in Texas. Just like every other state in the nation. So I don't know why you single out Texas, other than the fact that as a Yankee liberal you just love to bash Southerners. I guess it makes you feel superior or something. Since we recognize that injuries can occur in football, we take precautions to guard against it. We require rigorous physical training, adherence to the rules of the sport prohibiting dangerous practices, and the use of protective equipment such as helmets and padding. The music rule against singing in an extreme manner is just like those football examples. It's a rule to protect young vocal cords, to prevent injury. Is it perfect? No, but we do what we can. What you seem to advocate, with the football analogy, is to allow 90-pound girls to play football without wearing a helmet or protective padding. That's the equivalent of allowing a young man to sing in a very high voice for extended periods of time, jeopardizing his vocal cords. So as much as you try to claim these football/music examples are hypocrisy, they really aren't. They are similar protections for the health of youth in different activities. Sorry, Kallend, but you're busted again. It must pain you to get whupped like this in debate by a dumb good-ol'-boy Texan. You may now resume your digging. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #43 June 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhy do you continue to defend sexism in Texas schools? I knew you couldn't do it! You have not proven that sexism exists in the decision. I'll administer yet another intellectual butt-whupping to you here, since you can't seem to quit digging that hole in which you're standing. Yes, football players get injured in Texas. Just like every other state in the nation. So I don't know why you single out Texas, other than the fact that as a Yankee liberal you just love to bash Southerners. I guess it makes you feel superior or something. Since we recognize that injuries can occur in football, we take precautions to guard against it. We require rigorous physical training, adherence to the rules of the sport prohibiting dangerous practices, and the use of protective equipment such as helmets and padding. The music rule against singing in an extreme manner is just like those football examples. It's a rule to protect young vocal cords, to prevent injury. Is it perfect? No, but we do what we can. What you seem to advocate, with the football analogy, is to allow 90-pound girls to play football without wearing a helmet or protective padding. That's the equivalent of allowing a young man to sing in a very high voice for extended periods of time, jeopardizing his vocal cords. So as much as you try to claim these football/music examples are hypocrisy, they really aren't. They are similar protections for the health of youth in different activities. Sorry, Kallend, but you're busted again. It must pain you to get whupped like this in debate by a dumb good-ol'-boy Texan. You may now resume your digging. Is it hard patting yourself on the back like that? Your tactic of "any disagreement with me shows that you are an idiot" is not very original or clever.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #44 June 27, 2005 QuoteIs it hard patting yourself on the back like that? Your tactic of "any disagreement with me shows that you are an idiot" is not very original or clever. Huh... "Hi pot, its the kettle, you're pretty black today..." Its not as bad as you changing the arguement anytime you realize your arguement is sinking fast. Oh just for you (since you do this sort of subject changing all the time) here's a link about safe chicago. http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-bloody27.html--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #45 June 27, 2005 QuoteYour tactic of "any disagreement with me shows that you are an idiot" is not very original or clever. That's not been my tactic, so once again you have made a false allegation, unsupported by any facts or logic, just as you've been doing all along in this thread. My tactic has been to provide facts and logic to show that your allegation of sexism in Texas is untrue. My facts and logic have been supported by references. You, on the other hand, have provided nothing in rebuttal to support your claim, other than; "because I say so". You are the one guilty of the tactic which you try to attribute to me. Maybe you've been a professor so long that you expect everybody to believe everything you say, without question, and without the need for proof. That might work for your 19-year-old students, but it doesn't cut it here. Put down your shovel! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
