Sexism alive and well in Texas

[kallend 2,175]

www.metoperafamily.org/operanews/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=916

The Texas Music Educators Association has denied a request by seventeen-year-old Bedford resident, Mikhael Rawls, to audition for the annual state choral competition as a male-soprano or countertenor, the Star-Telegram reported. After being petitioned by Rawls, the Association reportedly ruled in favor of a mandate that requires men audition only for "male parts": tenors and basses.

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[lawrocket 3]

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"Tiptoe from your pillow, to the shadow of a willow tree
And tiptoe through the tulips with me.."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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"Tiptoe from your pillow, to the shadow of a willow tree
And tiptoe through the tulips with me.."

Hey, it's all about mi.

[kallend 2,175]

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"Tiptoe from your pillow, to the shadow of a willow tree
And tiptoe through the tulips with me.."

Thank you, Tiny Tim

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[BaconStrip 0]

Sounds to me like common sense is alive and well in Texas. Who really likes to listen to male-sopranos?

[meltdown 0]

It's because we care about the kids. We don't want any little boys tying rubber bands around their you-know-what's trying to sound girly.

[Shotgun 1]

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We don't want any little boys tying rubber bands around their you-know-what's trying to sound girly.

Ah ha... Is that how Jason hits some of those high-pitched notes?

[JohnRich 4]

You take a decision by one small group, and from that, you try to extrapolate it to a general "sexism" charge against all 18 million citizens of Texas?

Well, that's not very professorial.

Oh, and you omitted this part:

"We did extensive research, and that can be vocally damaging."

You wouldn't want to let a little fact get in the way of a good Texas-bashing!

I suppose that if they had let him get the singing role, and his young vocal cords were damaged for life, then you would have told us how brutish those damn Texans are for not protecting this young boy...

[Zenister 0]

singing at all can be vocally damaging...

my guess is he turned down one of the judges still in the closet...

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[kallend 2,175]

Maybe you'd like to compare the injury rates from singing soprano with those from playing football before using that absurd excuse for sexism.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Maybe you'd like to compare the injury rates from singing soprano with those from playing football before using that absurd excuse for sexism.

Women generally don't play football, aren't allowed on the team in Texas high schools. Same reason but reversed.

Just so you know, the TMEA still allows boys to play the flute, piccalo and oboe and girls to play the baritone and tuba. So if that same organization has no problems with boys playing piccalo or flute (or worst a Eb Clarinet) then obviously they're sexist.


Next thing you know, Kallend will be calling all the symphonies raciest for playing any piece written by Percy Aldridge Granger.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kallend 2,175]

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Maybe you'd like to compare the injury rates from singing soprano with those from playing football before using that absurd excuse for sexism.

Women generally don't play football, aren't allowed on the team in Texas high schools. Same reason but reversed.

Just so you know, the TMEA still allows boys to play the flute, piccalo and oboe and girls to play the baritone and tuba. So if that same organization has no problems with boys playing piccalo or flute (or worst a Eb Clarinet) then obviously they're sexist.


Next thing you know, Kallend will be calling all the symphonies raciest for playing any piece written by Percy Aldridge Granger.

So men don't get injured playing football in Texas?Please quantify the injury risk for a male counter-tenor compared to a male tenor. Then we'll all know what a bogus excuse the TMEA is using.

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[AggieDave 6]

Since TMEA is in charge of football for highschools in TX, I'll continue to play along with your analogy.

Item 1: The state of TX discourages freshmen playing in most games, this is due to a few real world facts not limited to a specific player becoming paralyzed in his first game as a freshman. Broke neck, ruined his life.

Item 2: Highschools tend not to put a 98lbs kid in as a center or a defensive linemen. Its asking to get hurt.

Item 3: Common sense should prevail, however it doesn't always prevail in sports. For instance, seeing how football seems to upset you lets talk about baseball, ever see what a very fast pitcher (80+mph) in high school becomes? They become a lot of money for their ortho rebuilding their shoulder by the time they're 25.

Its nice to see an organization stand up and take a stand to protect the kids in the organization. If only it would happen more in sports at that age level, perhaps less life altering injuries would happen.


So back to what I was saying in my first post. If TMEA was a sexist organization wouldn't they keep boys from playing the flute, oboe and such, then keep only boys playing tuba, baritone and such?

A single instance proves nothing.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kallend 2,175]

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A single instance proves nothing.

So a single instance of an alien spacecraft landing on the state capitol in Austin wouldn't prove the existence of extra-terrestrials.

It took 2 space shuttle disasters to prove that manned space flight is risky - Challenger alone was not enough.

Nice logic there, Tex.

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[AggieDave 6]

You're so right prof, space flight and star trek musing has everything to do with this case. To continue this conversation with you, I'm going to have to run to Home Depot to make a Klingon costume...

Or we can stick to the topic.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[JohnRich 4]

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Maybe you'd like to compare the injury rates from singing soprano with those from playing football before using that absurd excuse for sexism.

That has nothing to do with sexism - it would be about discriminating based upon the type of activity. It wouldn't have anything to do with the gender of the participants, but rather, with the risk of the activity. I don't even think there is a word for that... "Activityism"?

That leaves you without having addressed a single one of the points I made. That was a lousy attempt at dodging that exhibition of your own apparent bias against Texans.

If your students used tactics like this on a paper, I'll bet you would give them an "F".

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[JohnRich 4]

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So a single instance of an alien spacecraft landing on the state capitol in Austin wouldn't prove the existence of extra-terrestrials.

Indeed it would. However, a space ship is not sexism, as Dave told you. The definition of "sexism" in the context in which you've presented it ("Texans") would require a widespread pattern of sexist behavior, i.e. numerous examples. You've provided no such proof - only a single instance. If you had limited your comments to only the Board involved in this decision, you might have been more correct. But you didn't do that - you expanded the scope of your comments to all Texans. And that dooms your charge of state-wide sexism from this single example to dismal failure.

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Nice logic there, Tex.

See above.

When you're digging yourself a hole, it's a good idea when you hit rock bottom, to stop digging.

[kallend 2,175]

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So a single instance of an alien spacecraft landing on the state capitol in Austin wouldn't prove the existence of extra-terrestrials.

Indeed it would. However, a space ship is not sexism, as Dave told you. The definition of "sexism" in the context in which you've presented it ("Texans") would require a widespread pattern of sexist behavior, i.e. numerous examples. You've provided no such proof - only a single instance. If you had limited your comments to only the Board involved in this decision, you might have been more correct. But you didn't do that - you expanded the scope of your comments to all Texans. And that dooms your charge of state-wide sexism from this single example to dismal failure.

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Nice logic there, Tex.

See above.

When you're digging yourself a hole, it's a good idea when you hit rock bottom, to stop digging.

Is it sexist - YES
Did it happen in Texas - YES
Policy of a state supported organization - YES

I'm not surprised that you defend it though, after all,
folks down there once argued that slavery was actually in the best interests of its victims.

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[AggieDave 6]

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I'm not surprised that you defend it though, after all,
folks down there once argued that slavery was actually in the best interests of its victims.

You know, John Rich is most definately an old fart, not THAT old though.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[livendive 8]

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You take a decision by one small group, and from that, you try to extrapolate it to a general "sexism" charge against all 18 million citizens of Texas?

Where did he do that? If I say freeflying is alive and well at Perris am I saying that all jumpers at Perris are freeflyers?

Blues,
Dave

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(drink Mountain Dew)

[billvon 3,131]

>A single instance proves nothing.

A single instance indicates that there is sexism there. Many instances would prove it is widespread.

[AggieDave 6]

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>A single instance proves nothing.

A single instance indicates that there is sexism there. Many instances would prove it is widespread.

Bill,

In this instance it doesn't. The TMEA is trying to help keep this kid from destroying his still developing vocal chords. I cited other examples showing that TMEA is not a sexist organization. I also stated my thoughts wishing that the Texas UIL would be as concerned to keep the kids in sports a bit more out of harms way.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[wmw999 2,600]

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You know, John Rich is most definately an old fart, not THAT old though

ahem
How old does one have to be for old-farthood?
And how old exactly is "THAT old though"?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[AggieDave 6]

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How old does one have to be for old-farthood?
And how old exactly is "THAT old though"?

That was in response to Kallend basically pulling something out of his ass about slavery and how it obviously applies to the personalities in modern Texas. I took the opportunity to poke a little fun at John saying although he's an old fart (to my 25yr old standards), but not old enough to have been a Texan slave holder.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[wmw999 2,600]

I'm just raggin' on you.
I'm older than John.
In this case, though, I think the district (or whoever it is) are being silly so that no one will be offended by the possibility of a boy in a girl's role.
I'll bet that if a girl had a deep enough voice there wouldn't be nearly the objection to her singing tenor.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)