The autopsy of Terri Schiavo....The right call was made

[Ron 10]

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/06/15/schiavo.autopsy/index.html

LARGO, Florida (CNN) -- The autopsy of Terri Schiavo found no evidence that the severely brain-damaged woman was strangled or abused and that no amount of therapy would have reversed her condition, a medical examiner said Wednesday

Well, so she was not beat, and she was not ever going to recover.

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Schiavo's brain damage "was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," Thogmartin said.

"Her brain was profoundly atrophied," he said.

The vision centers of her brain were dead, he said.

The right call was made.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Maybe this Administration will learn from this? Maybe allow some decisions to still be made by the individual instead of policy (esp policy driven by conservative religions)??

nah...old dog....

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Maybe this Administration will learn from this? Maybe allow some decisions to still be made by the individual instead of policy (esp policy driven by conservative religions)??

nah...old dog....

Oh you mean Terri's brain.....I thought you meant the President's...

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Im sure there is going to be somebody out there that says "She could have recovered...The autopsy was wrong...it was all a cover up."
Damn right they made the right decision. I just hope the fanatics can cope with the fact that they were wrong.

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[tcnelson 1]

the right call was made not because of the autopsy knowledge but because that is the rule of law in this country. her husband had the final say, as he should, because that's how the law is set up. period.

there's a reason that common law has evolved to what it has over the last several hundred years...logic usually wins out over passion.

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the right call was made not because of the autopsy knowledge but because that is the rule of law in this country. her husband had the final say, as he should, because that's how the law is set up. period.

there's a reason that common law has evolved to what it has over the last several hundred years...logic usually wins out over passion.

Right, no one from here ever answered my questions along that line; if marriage is restrictive to opposite sex and exclusive - the highest bond allowed by law - then how is it that it can be selcetively circumvented? Let's all face it, the thumpers use different logic based upon agenda.

Right decision made 10 year too late. Think of all the people w/o medical coverage that could have occupied that bed.....

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I just hope the fanatics can cope with the fact that they were wrong.

Highly unlikely, that's why they are fanatics. What scared me most was the willingness of the government to interfere in the Shiavo marriage.

Last I heard the parents are seeking alternative legal actions.

[rehmwa 2]

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logic usually wins out over passion.

Fanatics can't cope with being wrong - that's why they are fanatics (other posting)

(this posting) I don't believe that lately logic is winning - because of the 'fanatics' from the political extremes. Heck, look at some of these threads and how they can't go anywhere except to the same tired limits (random Bush/Clinton/Kerry slams, race crap, guns)

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[tcnelson 1]

i look at the situation like this: every day thousands upon thousands of cases across the country are settled in a non-violent, logical manner.

so, even though there will always be people who are overly emotionally involved in any given situation, usually the correct decision is made with the help of outside arbitrators (courts).

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[Ron 10]

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(this posting) I don't believe that lately logic is winning - because of the 'fanatics' from the political extremes. Heck, look at some of these threads and how they can't go anywhere except to the same tired limits (random Bush/Clinton/Kerry slams, race crap, guns)

Yeah it took all of 6 min and the first reply to this post to start with the Bush slams.

While I didn't support Bush getting involved, it was the SMALLEST part of this whole thing. And while I am not surprized at the regulars always trying to use everything to slam their side....I wish they could look past their hate and look at the actual topic and discuss it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[christelsabine 1]

Ron,
aren't you slowly getting tired of always playing the defender's role for GWB? Being Georgie's RobinHood?

Just turn it upside down and attack everybody else's leader, big chief, king, chancelor, PM, Lamido, queen.. whatever you want. Might help you to relax, or not?

Christel

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[Ron 10]

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Ron,
aren't you slowly getting tired of always playing the defender's role for GWB? Being Georgie's RobinHood?

I didn't defned him here if you bothered to actually read the post you would see that.

However in your desire to jump on the "bash Bush bandwaggon", you missed that.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[christelsabine 1]

However in your desire to jump on the "bash Bush bandwaggon", you missed that.

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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Yeah it took all of 6 min and the first reply to this post to start with the Bush slams.

While I didn't support Bush getting involved, it was the SMALLEST part of this whole thing. And while I am not surprised at the regulars always trying to use everything to slam their side....I wish they could look past their hate and look at the actual topic and discuss it.

It was the hope that someone in this administration would learn from this. Get off their high horse of religious morality and get back to running a government. It wasn't a slam, it was disgust and exhaustion from watching ignorance in politics one too many times.

There was a thread that went on in depth about this topic already - many of my thoughts about it were already there. Do a search and find them.

The fact that the Repubs and Bush got involved in this is a HUGE deal. It shows where this country is at. It shows how the focus is on the wrong things, it shows that people will grandstand on one issue to influence a sweeping policy/morality change in this country (and the sheep will follow), It shows how states and individuals are slowly losing their personal freedoms and big gov't is only getting bigger, It shows what little respect this administration shows for marriage. It is a great example of how many things are wrong/broken and completely hopeless of getting fixed. Do I feel the Dems would do any better? No. Why not? Because they would play up the popularity and use spin to help their own cause as well. It's a sad thing, but that is where politics are at in this country.

It also shows how hopeless the media is. This story makes the front page for weeks on end yet genocide is buried somewhere deep in the back. The real issues are being overlooked by the Dem's, Repubs and the media. ALL are at fault for this.

After all that, what really was the topic for Schiavo? Which talking head do you want to listen to? The parents threw up a different issue every other week. There never was a true focus on any real issue. This woman's life became a soap box for anyone that had an issue and used it to get face time. Sadness and disgust are the only things I feel when I think about that.

After watching how the Repubs and Dems have handled themselves over the last ten years I am of the opinion that its hopeless to make any real change in DC. I will live my life and enjoy what remaining freedoms I have until it makes them uncomfortable and they take them away.

As far as a response - most threads/topics in this forum are useless. They are the same thing, time after time. The same people saying the same thing. Oh look...._________made another gun post, _________ did another post about gay-marriage, _________did another post on how evil Bush is, oh look ____________ made another personal attack, ______ got banned again, etc. This is why I don't bother posting more than once or twice a month in this forum anymore. It's pointless and useless.

I've come to realize that it's the idiots and assholes that will always make their way to the top and get what they want. They are the only ones that don't care what it takes to win and get what they want. They are the ones that will sh*t on anyone just to help themselves and don't care what damage they leave in their wake. I've seen in all aspects of our society (interpersonal relationships/workplace/DZ/bars/gov't, etc) and the biggest assholes are the power hungry ones in DC. All of them. What about helping out friends, family, your fellow countryman without profiting from it? I just don't see it anymore, and I am tired of fighting with these assholes on a daily basis. I just don't care anymore. Hell, I should just delete this post....I'm sure someone will nit-pick it apart, tell me how wrong I am, flame me, and just miss the point.

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and the biggest assholes are the power hungry ones in DC. All of them.

Bravo.

There are some here in Austin as well.

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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and the biggest assholes are the power hungry ones in DC. All of them.

Bravo.

There are some here in Austin as well.

You know what, the assholes are everywhere and will do their best to f*ck with your happiness. This is why I will just live my life doing what makes me happy until the next one comes along to try to screw with that as well.

It doesn't make sense to get upset or worry about it - because they are there, and they will find a way to mess with your life.....or in this case, your death.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Ron,
aren't you slowly getting tired of always playing the defender's role for GWB? Being Georgie's RobinHood?

I didn't defned him here if you bothered to actually read the post you would see that.

However in your desire to jump on the "bash Bush bandwaggon", you missed that.

I think she was just being coy and said something along these lines - "C'mon - try it, you'll like". Then add a few

(I took that she was sympathizing with you in that's how most of these thread generate.)

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