EBSB52 0 #101 June 14, 2005 Quotewhat type of grown man sleeps with young boys who he just randomly invites over? what a mistake.... Really, you'd think he would RSVP JK.... he shpuld be in jail tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #102 June 14, 2005 > he is obviously fucked up in the head . . . I'm fucked in the head - I jump off bridges! >he has stated on television that he does sleep with other peoples >sons in his own bed without other adults around Same thing has happened to me. I once woke up in a bed in my sister's house to find one of my nephews (5 at the time) asleep at my feet. Horrors! >he has proven to be mentually unstable . . . See the first point >he puts his children in danger . . . When I have kids, they are going to have the option to learn to rock climb, use a wind tunnel, even learn to skydive before they're 18 if I can find someone willing to let them jump. And so on and so on. "But that's different" you might say. "Your nephew had been following you around all day; no wonder he ended up falling asleep on your bed. And BASE jumping isn't all that fucked up. And letting your kids rock climb isn't dangerous if you're careful." Ah, but you're not after my money. If someone was, they could surely decide that I was a fucked up dude who should never be allowed near children (unless I gave them a lot of money, of course.) The most cogent objection to Jackson I have heard is "he's really fucked up and he's around kids, and that just creeps me the hell out." And he may well be all fucked up; I don't know of anyone who has had their face worked on as much as he has. But I will not condemn someone for being really fucked up because, to some people, I myself am fucked up - and so I have an interest in not seeing such people convicted of stuff based on that. Now, it is of course illegal to go after kids in the way he was alleged to have done. The best way to determine if he is guilty of that is to put him on trial and let a jury decide. They have done so. And our justice system may not be perfect, but I believe it works more often than not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #103 June 14, 2005 I dont believe he is innocent so therefore my statement on what I want to happen to him is well deserved, an eye for a eye right? Oh wait wrong era. If I believed someone was innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt Id be singing a different tune, Today I am not on that side, tomorrow and for a different scenrio I might have a different feeling. My right.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #104 June 14, 2005 QuoteSo you would rather a molester go free then a innocent person do time? Wooooooooooooooooooooow! You may want to rethink living in this country, as you may find it quite unbearable. Next thing you know, people will vote 'n shit. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #105 June 14, 2005 QuoteHow many single men do you know that choose to put other peoples children in the same bed as them and describe it as "love" that is not love, that is disgusting. Although not illigal , it does put into play his mental state. He put his own child over a balcony, which if it would have been done in the states would have been a crime. We don't dispute this. But, let's look at it this way: How many single men do you know that have leered at women? How many men have had impure thoughts about women and vocalized how much they'd like to have sex with a woman. No, not illegal, but definitely the same thoughts as a rapist, right? It puts into question their mental states. So, take evidence of their desires for sexual contact with women in a rape trial. If he's innocent, too bad. Having him in the can with Charles Manson is all right so long as some people are assured that they won't be victimized by that guy regardless fo whether or not anyone ever was to begin with. As I said, you'd make a whole slew of new victims with your way of doing things. "Arrest him. The air he exhales should be illegal." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #106 June 14, 2005 Lisa, Was his mental state called into question in the trial? Was he accused if being deranged? As far as the accuser goes... Maybe he was molested, maybe he wasn't. If he was I hope that he is able to get over this entire thing, and lead productive and fruitfull life. If it's still money that he want's, I think there is still plenty out there for him to reap. If he signed a book deal tomorrow and got it out there fast while the focus is still on the case, then he might still beable to get some money from this if that is what they want or are after. If not, then maybee they can drag something out in a civial case. Lawrocket may be able to expound upon this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #107 June 14, 2005 I agree with you, however there is a big difference between you waking up with your nephew at you feet and mj proactivley seeking children of no relation and on purpose having them sleep in his bed. Putting a child of less then 6 months old over a balcony is so different then letting a child participate in sports. Your comparing apples to palm pilots....Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #108 June 14, 2005 QuoteIf I believed someone was innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt Id be singing a different tune Neither I nor anyone posting here is convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have not had sexual relations with a young boy. Come to think about it, it seems to be more prevalent than I thought. Since you cannot prove you are innocent, let's press charges against you and send you away. Sure, you are probably innocent of these charges, but since we are not convinced of your innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt... I'll start calling you Torquemada... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #109 June 14, 2005 It is one thing to look upon a woman with lust and it is a entirely another thing to look upon a child with lust. Thinking and doing are two different things. I do not know what MJ thinks, but I do know that he told us... the american public that he himself has invited various boys into his bed at varies times because he loves them. We dont do things my way , Im fine with that, I am not a nice person when you come down to it but I still stand by my personal feelings of him being GUILTY.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #110 June 14, 2005 *Personal attack thought of but not written* see Billvon I can be a good girl and not attack ...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #111 June 14, 2005 All of this is begging the question, If our system is not perfect, then what can we do to make it better? Lawrocket I pass it off to you first, then Billvon you get it next, and after Bill, I would like to hear from Lisa, and last but not least Frenchy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #112 June 14, 2005 hey shouldnt it be ladies first???Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #113 June 14, 2005 Is it because he's looking at a child with lust, or is it even more that he is loking at a male child with lust. Look at the Roman's many of them took boy's. I'm definatly not defending it, I'm just stating that times have changed, as society looked at it then as acceptable, and now it is abominable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #114 June 14, 2005 QuoteAll of this is begging the question, If our system is not perfect, then what can we do to make it better? Lawrocket I pass it off to you first, then Billvon you get it next, and after Bill, I would like to hear from Lisa, and last but not least Frenchy. When it comes to the US judicial system, I'd rather use the fat cigar smoking Brit Winston thingie quote on democracy. Applies to both IMO. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #115 June 14, 2005 If you want it to be, then go ahead and chime in. the question to this evenings debate is: "If America's legal system is not perfect, but it's the best we have, how would you change it?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #116 June 14, 2005 I'm not familiar with this? So you get the famous: Como say Huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #117 June 14, 2005 Holy shit I cant believe you just said that.... if it would have been a girl child it would been just as heinous a crime. Maybe at one time it was okay to do that, but with time come improvements on way of life. At one time in Georgia it was okay to beat your wife according to the two finger rule, at one time it was okay to commit incest, at one time it was okay to murder someone if they stole your horse. Were not talking at one time, were talking today, in OUR society.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #118 June 14, 2005 >Putting a child of less then 6 months old over a balcony is so >different then letting a child participate in sports. To you. To a whuffo, tossing a 14 year old child out of an airplane may well be worse than holding him safely over a balcony. After all, the terror the 14 year old experiences being thrown out of an airplane must scar him for life! Who could be so cruel? Why should such a person be allowed to have kids? Skydivers die all the time; surely his children should be taken away before they are killed by his twisted desire to terrorize them for his own sick purposes. And if we apply your standards to such matters, that whuffo is just as right about me as you are about MJ. >Your comparing apples to palm pilots.... That's because you know me better than you know MJ. I don't know him at all, so I won't condemn him for something a jury found him innocent of. But I still wouldn't send my kids (or nephews, or nieces) to his house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #119 June 14, 2005 honestley I dont believe a parent should take their child on a tandem...that I think is a different thread ...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #120 June 14, 2005 QuoteI'm not familiar with this? So you get the famous: Como say Huh? Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time. Replace democracy with "US judicial system". IMO once again. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #121 June 14, 2005 I'm just wondering if the homosexual overtones are causing more of an uproar in this media circus. I feel it is equally as bad to look at any child in such a manner. I know we are in a better time, and I am thankfull for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #122 June 14, 2005 I feel that Democracy allows no part of government to really move very quickly. Especially with our two party system here in the US. I feel that maybee it isn't always the right thing to make law what the popular sentiment is at the moment. Look at prohibition. I think that is what happened there. So back to the question, How would you change america's legal system? I think that in cases such as the MJ case, or the OJ case, maybe it would be practical that both the prosecution and the defense be appointed by the court. These people would have to be of course completely non partial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #123 June 14, 2005 I do not know much about the difference between a girl being molested or a boy being molested, or how society views the difference, however I do believe that it is lesser known evil, due to the difference in how girls and boys are treated. I believe more boys are molested that do not tell, then girls that do not tell. That is because as a whole our society has given the male gender a specfic role. Just as it is okay for a girl to go both ways but not always okay for a guy. Its just the difference in how we look at each role. However , regardless of the childs gender to me its all gross and horrible. A child is a child is a child.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #124 June 14, 2005 Churchill said "democracy is the best form of the worst type of govt" he also said "never give in" and no this wasnt in your opinion it was in churchills you just borrowed the idea.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #125 June 14, 2005 QuoteI dont believe he is innocent so therefore my statement on what I want to happen to him is well deserved, an eye for a eye right? Oh wait wrong era. If I believed someone was innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt Id be singing a different tune, Today I am not on that side, tomorrow and for a different scenrio I might have a different feeling. My right. "An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind." -Mohandas GandhiSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
