lisamariewillbe 1 #76 June 13, 2005 Did I say I believed everything? Oh goodness when is there a gray area, do I have to write a complete essay on my entire life , and beliefs? If I believed everything I read I would think you ruled the world. Media is biased but any intelligant person (or medicore one at that ) can take information from a variety of sources and conclude their own opinions. Funny how that works huh?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #77 June 13, 2005 I love the system in the U.S. however MJ is guilty, will always be guilty regardless of what his employees said today in the court room. Not all guilty people end up in jail. Maybe he will get hit by a car....or his feeis wheel will collapse while he is on it. Maybe he will get sunburned to death.... one can hope. There are only a few type of people I hate..with the main being a person who can abuse a child.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #78 June 13, 2005 QuoteThe facts are all out there, get off DZ.com for a few minutes and do a google, "its called reading" Sweetie, I could probably read you under the table. Although I admit that Google is a great source of contemporary litterature, I am only interested in the babble you, and only you, may be able to put forward, as the cultivated intellectual that you are. So, once again, would you please be kind enough as to expressing what compels you to believe there were victims? Anyone has any advil? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #79 June 13, 2005 Yes, and that is what me all must do for ourselves. Weather I believe he is guilty or not doesn't matter. A court in our legal system, with a jury of peers found him not guilty on ALL counts. Don't you think the jury was trying to say something to the American Public? You can look at it many ways, but in our land Michael Jackson is not guilty of these charges in a court of law. That's the way the system works, and we have to uphold the system, for it to continue to work. If you have a better idea on how things should be set up, then I would like to hear it, but we cannot go around judging people from what we read in the papers, read on the internet, or see on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #80 June 13, 2005 I have justified my opinions more then enough on here. As I said before and as I will say again I believe he is a molesting son of a bitch who deserves to burn in hell, I do not need to be "intelligant" to form my own feelings on this issue , which im not, just like you do not have to be a ass to negate them.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #81 June 13, 2005 Regardless if one believes in it or not, does not mean that one must always agree or like the decsions. Nor do I have to be happy about this perticular case. I did not find him innocent and no jury of his employees can change my feelings on this. If it would have been my son, they wouldnt have made it past the first day of testimony, Id be in jail and hed be in the ground. REGARDLESS.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #82 June 13, 2005 Unfortunately for you, you are very guilty, of what I have no idea but I am sure you did it. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #83 June 13, 2005 Why are you being so combatative here. We are only having a conversation about this subject. Please try not to get so uptight. You are correct, not all guiltey people go to jail, and from what I said earlier, I believe that all people will be judged by their creator at some point in their life, or afterlife. We have a system for placing blame, and it is the American Judicial System, (even with it's flaws, and loopholes) it's the best one out there. It takes a huge responsibility on the jurrors, to not be partial, and to make a decision on the evidence presented to them. With out partial jurry's, the entire system would collapse, so we must respect the decision of the jury, and treat MJ as if he did not do these things. True what he was accused of are some of the most irreprehensable of crimes, but he was found innocent of those crimes. So do you think we should still go and harrass the guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #84 June 13, 2005 I AM sure that You of all people know that i am guilty of things (Hotel swooping), but I was not tried in a court for my crimes, so as far as your concerned, I'm innocent How are you doing Ray? Are you coming out here for the CPC Nat's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #85 June 13, 2005 QuoteSo you believe our court system is perfect? Very few do. However, I'd rather find out a molester went free than find out an innocent person went to jail for molestation. Both happen. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #86 June 13, 2005 NOT ME, who knows which person becomes that molestors next victim... it could be your child, or mine,Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #87 June 13, 2005 That came from the horses mouth folks (or at least the lawyers mouth). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #88 June 13, 2005 ***That came from the horse ' s ass's mouth folks*** I edited it for you! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #89 June 13, 2005 That's kind of humorous. You said it not I! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,095 #90 June 13, 2005 >just like you do not have to be a ass to negate them. No personal attacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #91 June 13, 2005 QuoteI AM sure that You of all people know that i am guilty of things (Hotel swooping), but I was not tried in a court for my crimes, so as far as your concerned, I'm innocent How are you doing Ray? Are you coming out here for the CPC Nat's? Im working on it, we have a very busy season with my team http://teamfastrax.org/fastraxswoop.aspx Shameful plug. And I have Skyquest to think of also, I'd love to come win the $16 grand so we will see. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #92 June 13, 2005 There's no way you are going to come to MY home and take the money that I deserve! hahahahaaaaa It would be cool to see you. Take it easy, and I'll chat with you later. Grant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #93 June 14, 2005 QuoteI have justified my opinions more then enough on here. As I said before and as I will say again I believe he is a molesting son of a bitch who deserves to burn in hell, I do not need to be "intelligant" to form my own feelings on this issue , which im not, just like you do not have to be a ass to negate them. Wrong. You have expressed your opinions, but have not justified them. Your opinion is as valid as any other, and you do not have to justify it. I was just hoping you would. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #94 June 14, 2005 I posted this before, although not an in-depth reason , it is the basics, here it is again... what makes it cut and dry for me??? Easy, he is obviously fucked up in the head, he has stated on television that he does sleep with other peoples sons in his own bed without other adults around, he himself has proven he is a liar, he has proven to be mentually unstable, he puts his children in danger (The children he claims are his) he uses his money and his position as "the king of pop" to lure families into his ranch of perversian, granted there were some issues on witness credibilty , and I think the mother of the latest accusation is a nut job and deserves to be right next to him in a cell in a prision being made someones bitch. HOWEVER its not like he has been accused of this ONCE or even TWICE, there are multible accusations. MULTIBLE I wonder how much does it cost to buy a jury?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #95 June 14, 2005 QuoteI posted this before, although not an in-depth reason , it is the basics, here it is again... what makes it cut and dry for me??? Easy, he is obviously fucked up in the head, he has stated on television that he does sleep with other peoples sons in his own bed without other adults around, he himself has proven he is a liar, he has proven to be mentually unstable, he puts his children in danger (The children he claims are his) he uses his money and his position as "the king of pop" to lure families into his ranch of perversian, granted there were some issues on witness credibilty , and I think the mother of the latest accusation is a nut job and deserves to be right next to him in a cell in a prision being made someones bitch. HOWEVER its not like he has been accused of this ONCE or even TWICE, there are multible accusations. MULTIBLE I wonder how much does it cost to buy a jury? Fair enough if that is what your opinion is based upon. Nothing pointing towards guilt in my opinion, but I respect your opinion. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #96 June 14, 2005 Even though there were multiple accusations again MJ, it doesn't always make them true. I have been accused of farting in the jump plane multiple times. It doesn't mean that I was the one continuosly ripping ass (besides I know my own brand better than anyone else). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #97 June 14, 2005 Quotewhat makes it cut and dry for me??? Easy, he is obviously fucked up in the head, he has stated on television that he does sleep with other peoples sons in his own bed without other adults around, he himself has proven he is a liar, he has proven to be mentually unstable, he puts his children in danger (The children he claims are his) he uses his money and his position as "the king of pop" to lure families into his ranch of perversian, So cut and dry for you means because you think someone is a creep they should be convicted of a felony crime. Unreal. Your comment earlier about how you would rather an innocent person goes to jail than one molester going free pretty much sums up your intelect on this. What if it was your father that had to go to jail innocent. Would you feel the same? It is best that someone of your mentality never has to serve Jury duty. The justice system is a better place without you. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #98 June 14, 2005 What about the possibility of a non guilty person being executed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #99 June 14, 2005 QuoteNOT ME, who knows which person becomes that molestors next victim... it could be your child, or mine, I find this to be a shocking comment. Stalin did this. Who then becomes the victim? The innocent party? Who becomes the predator? You, who hopes to watch as the inncent man becomes assaulted in a pound-in-the-ass prison. It's disgusting, and I have a ten month-old. I'd rather put him into my version of society than yours. Frankly, there is little recourse for the innocent in your world. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #100 June 14, 2005 So you would rather a molester go free then a innocent person do time? You would rather the chance for more children to be victimized?? Yet im the one with wait what is my mentality? Since you know me so well? If my father had to go to jail and it kept other children from being abused then that would be fine. How many single men do you know that choose to put other peoples children in the same bed as them and describe it as "love" that is not love, that is disgusting. Although not illigal , it does put into play his mental state. He put his own child over a balcony, which if it would have been done in the states would have been a crime.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
