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none of them dictate Intel gathering focus, priorities or can influence the analysis...

if you manufacture evidence to convict someone of murder, are the judge and jury that 'believes' it equally responsible with those who did the manufacturing?



Berger and Gore could not influence the anayalsis?

Uh hello? This is the earth calling.

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if you manufacture evidence to convict someone of murder, are the judge and jury that 'believes' it equally responsible with those who did the manufacturing?



If you have proof that he was criminal...Please provide it. A memo written by a britt saying his opinion is not "proof".
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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none of them dictate Intel gathering focus, priorities nor can influence the analysis...

none of them; Dictate Intel gathering focus, priorities, or influence analysis..

if you manufacture evidence to convict someone of murder, are the judge and jury that 'believes' it equally responsible with those who did the manufacturing?



Berger and Gore could influence the anayalsis?

Uh hello? This is the earth calling.




hello earth, this is heaven... perhaps you should investigate who actually has enough power and authority to dictate Intel focus and influence its analysis...

edit ahhh i see.. petty...there fixed for you... either is acceptable but i havent had my coffee yet...:P
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hello earth, this is heaven... perhaps you should investigate who actually has enough power and authority to dictate Intel focus and influence its analysis...



Uh heaven...you don't exist....That explains tons about your logic.

As for who can dictate....

You shoud do some checking. Berger was found guilty of destorying intel, and was Clintons former NSA.....

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But for lying after stealing highly classified documents from the National Archives -- in an apparent attempt to alter the historical record on terrorism, no less -- former Clinton national security adviser and Kerry campaign adviser Sandy Berger will get a small fine and slap on the wrist. He will pay $10,000 and get no jail time.



He removed copies of a memo on the millennium 2000 terror plot authored by terrorism expert Richard Clarke.

The document is classified and at this level it has to be carried in a case handcuffed to the persons wrist. Berger stuffed the five copies in his coat jacket and secreted them out of the archives. He proceeded to destroy three of them by cutting them to pieces with scissors.

He later said they were taken by accidnet, and he also destroyed them by accident.

Yeah, he can't do anything...

And Gore was Vice President for 8 years....Yeah he has no ability either.:S

Like I said before and you failed to comment on...You have some PROOF? Please submit it to the Congress to start impeachment....If not........Oh nevermind.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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perhaps you should investigate who actually has enough power and authority to dictate Intel focus and influence its analysis...



And that is why the DCI and NID need to be appointed for a set term, similar to members of the Federal Reserve Board, rather than serving at the pleasure of the President... The executive branch should always be able to drive the priorities, but should not be able to influence the analysis.

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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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What about the Feith memo? It said that Iraq had ties to Al Queda AND that Iraq had WMD's....Do you discount that memo but hold this one in high reguard?

Being that Feith resigned as the Israeli espionage investigfation was nipping at his ass, Yes, I discount his memo.

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As long as you can rationalize your choices...I guess you can contiinue to ignore any intel that does not fit into your ideal....Sound familiar to something you accuse someone else of?
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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As long as you can rationalize your choices...I guess you can contiinue to ignore any intel that does not fit into your ideal....Sound familiar to something you accuse someone else of?


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So you think Bush is *wise* for starting a war based on Israeli lies?
I'll admit he isn't very smart.
Will you admit he was duped into this war by people with an Israeli agenda?
Or was he forced into war by the Israeli threat of outing him (Gannon/Guckhert)?

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So you think Bush is *wise* for starting a war based on Israeli lies?



You have PROOF, or are you just speading lies?

Like I said before, if you have PROOF, present it.

Otherwise, if you have no proof, consider yourself just like you accuse him of being...Only listening to evidence you want to hear.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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So you think Bush is *wise* for starting a war based on Israeli lies?
I'll admit he isn't very smart.
Will you admit he was duped into this war by people with an Israeli agenda?
Or was he forced into war by the Israeli threat of outing him (Gannon/Guckhert)?



Why make this so complicated?

The US wanted Saddam out. Bush used the aftermath of 9/11 to garner support to do exactly that. He wasn't duped or mislead by the JEWS or anything of the sort.

It's much easier if you just stop pretending you were lied to by the obvious propoganda surrounding the war.

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So you think Bush is *wise* for starting a war based on Israeli lies?



You have PROOF, or are you just speading lies?

Like I said before, if you have PROOF, present it.

Otherwise, if you have no proof, consider yourself just like you accuse him of being.
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Look Ron,
I'm just posting to an internet site but you want "proof".
Funny that when George wages WAR and is the instrumental force behind the death of thousands , you don't need any "proof".

There was no "proof" that Saddam had any Weapons of Mass Destruction.There couldn't have been because he simply didn't have them. Yet we went to war!
There was no "proof" that Saddam had ties to Al-Queida. There couldn't have been ,because there were none. Yet we went to war.
There was no "proof" that Saddam was any threat to the US or even any of his neighbors. There couldn't have been ,because he wasn't. Yet we went to war.

So you want proof from me about my claims on the internet, yet you don't require proof from the president who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and many more crippled , maimed,and psychologicaly deranged.

Dead,maimed, and psychologicaly deranged. Show me some "proof" that the war was necessary.
Show me "proof" that Saddam was a threat to his neighbors and the US.



Blues,
Cliff

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There was no "proof" that Saddam had any Weapons of Mass Destruction.



Oh, he HAD them, and we had proof he never complied with the UN resolution for disclosure....But please, don't let facts effect your judgement.

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In 1982, early in the Iran-Iraq War, the Iraqis used riot control agents to repel Iranian attacks. They progressed to the use of CW agents in mid-1983 with mustard, and in March 1984 with tabun (the first use ever of a nerve agent in war). The Iraqis continued to use chemical weapons until the end of hostilities in August 1988; in addition they introduced the nerve agents sarin and GF late in the war.

In March 1986 UN Secretary General Javier Perez de Cuellar formally accused Iraq of using chemical weapons against Iran. Citing the report of four chemical warfare experts whom the UN had sent to Iran in February and March 1986, the secretary general called on Baghdad to end its violation of the 1925 Geneva Protocol on the use of chemical weapons. The UN report concluded that "Iraqi forces have used chemical warfare against Iranian forces"; the weapons used included both mustard gas and nerve gas. The report further stated that "the use of chemical weapons appear[ed] to be more extensive [in 1981] than in 1984." Iraq attempted to deny using chemicals, but the evidence, in the form of many badly burned casualties flown to European hospitals for treatment, was overwhelming. By July 1986 it was estimated that Iraqi chemical warfare was responsible for about 10,000 casualties.

The poison gas attack on Halabja was the largest-scale chemical weapons (CW) attack against a civilian population in modern times. Halabja had a population of about 80,000 people who was predominantly Kurdish and had sympathised with Iran during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. Troops from the Kurdish Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) entered Halabja on 15th March 1988, accompanied by Iranian revolutionary guards. The Iraqi CW attack began early in the evening of March 16th, when a group of eight aircraft began dropping chemical bombs; the chemical bombardment continued all night. The Halabja attack involved multiple chemical agents -- including mustard gas, and the nerve agents SARIN, TABUN and VX. Some sources report that cyanide was also used.



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135.As described elsewhere in the present report, the Commission
has continued its investigation in all areas of the past
proscribed weapons activities in Iraq and its verification of
Iraq's declarations. The Commission has come to the
conclusion that Iraq has not provided a full and comprehensive
disclosure of its past military biological programme or
accounted for items and materials acquired for that programme.


With Iraq's failure to account for the use of these items and
materials for legitimate purposes, the only conclusion that
can be drawn is that there is a high risk that they had been
purchased and used for a proscribed purpose - acquisition of
biological warfare agent.
The Commission will continue its
intensive efforts to elucidate all such outstanding issues
arising from this and the other past programmes. It notes
that, if Iraq decided to provide full, accurate and verifiable
information, such matters could be resolved expeditiously.


http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/s/s1995-0284.htm (I assume a UN reference is good enough for you?)



Iraq had them since they used them....They never complied.

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There was no "proof" that Saddam had ties to Al-Queida



Feith memo, Saudi intellegence, British intellegence,American intellegence...All said he did. Now it could have been bad, but it was there.

Its easy to have good intel AFTER the fact. But don't let the fact that you are making intel choices a year later make you lose sleep.

Hell, I can tell you who won the last superbowl....But the key is knowing who will win the next, the last is easy.

Your posts are over emotional, and almost paraniod.

"The Jews led us to war!" :S
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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There was no "proof" that Saddam had any Weapons of Mass Destruction.



Oh, he HAD them, and we had proof he never complied with the UN resolution for disclosure....But please, don't let facts effect your judgement.
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You seem to forget that Saddam sent an 11000 page report to the UN detailing Iraqs' compliance .The US took the report and removed 8000 pages before resubmitting it.
Yes , over 70% of the report which showed Iraqui compliance was HIJACKED!!!!
And you tell us that "he never complied with the UN resolution for disclosure"?
Where are the missing pages ,Ron?
Why are they missing? Could it be that they would have contradicted the case for war?

Blues,
Cliff

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Bush is the last President the USA will ever have anyhow, ....he will never finish his 2nd term, so its all samantics.

That should give ya'all something to think about , and in a few years, you'll look back at today and wonder what hit you.



Uh, OK. Sure.


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Bush is the last President the USA will ever have anyhow, ....he will never finish his 2nd term, so its all samantics.



rotflmao..

shouldnt you be on a street corner somewhere your "The End is Near" sign???

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Its not "MY" end that is near to its end ( if you'll not mind the pun (or Bun) its is your end that is near.

Remember you heard it first on DZ.com.

Absolutely correct to the very last detail....Bush will be the last President....The United States of America will not be united anymore....the will be Untied.,
and no longer a nation.

Al Qaeda is working hard to destroy your country, and they will do so.


Dont misunderstand me....I do not like (even a little bit) the Moslems...Al Qaeda, Osama binLaden, but they ARE certainly detsined to destroy America....and there is NOTHING you or any americans can do about it.

Wake up....wake up....

And best regards from Chuteless



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but they ARE certainly detsined to destroy America....and there is NOTHING you or any americans can do about it.



The only people who can truly destroy America are us, the Americans. We've gone through tough times before and come out just fine, I have no doubt that we can, and will, do it again.

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>The book is "Revelation". Singular.

And it contains a long list of revelations that Christ made to John about the end of the world. When we studied it it was always referred to as The Revelations; maybe that's a Marianist tradition.

That book was (IMO) the most fun. I especially liked the locusts from hell that had stings like scorpions, faces like men, hair like women, teeth like lions, and little golden crowns on their heads.

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Bush is the last President the USA will ever have anyhow, ....he will never finish his 2nd term, so its all samantics.

That should give ya'all something to think about , and in a few years, you'll look back at today and wonder what hit you.



So is the world ending for us, or not? How are we going to look back and wonder what hit us?

You need to work on that prophesy a bit longer I suspect. Oh, and if you think that anything that hits the US will ignore the southern edges of Canada, think again.

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