Newbie 0 #1 June 12, 2005 This is actually pretty fresh sounding! http://www.wimp.com/jewish/ "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #2 June 12, 2005 Okay, I'm really, truly impressed. I can't believe that kind of reggae / Kingston flow is coming out of this guy!Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #3 June 12, 2005 Quote I can't believe that kind of reggae / Kingston flow is coming out of this guy! i dont get it.. like any form of music it is just a learned skill... if you put the time into it you can do any style of music you wish no matter what your racial background... its just that most white people dont ever try to learn to dance... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #4 June 12, 2005 QuoteQuote I can't believe that kind of reggae / Kingston flow is coming out of this guy! like any form of music it is just a learned skill... completely agree that you can learn to be technically skillful (and even then you need to work damn hard to make it sound good) but to be soulful and have your own style and flavour? That can't be "learnt", it comes with practice, creativity, a dash of what makes you you, and above all a love for what you are doing. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #5 June 12, 2005 Quoteit comes with practice, creativity.... aka learning...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #6 June 12, 2005 learning implies imitation of something pre-existing...this guy has better vocal flow, melody and control than most big reggae "stars" i have listened to of late - even with endless practice and study, he also has his own distinct musical style and flow, and that's not something you can just "learn", it's unique to the artist themselves. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 June 12, 2005 i'm not sure where you get your definition of 'learning' from, but your very mistaken.. you can learn anything.. you become better by practice.. practice is part and parcel of the learning process...you are unique as an individual from the beginning, but until you learn your craft you are incapable of expressing anything at all.. what you define as 'style' is absolutely something you can learn and refine with practice.. everyone stands on the shoulders of those who came before them...nothing is created from 'thin air', it comes with practice and study...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #8 June 12, 2005 but if that were the case, any musician or artist could perform exactly the same as another, and bring about the same emotion in those watching/listening. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #9 June 13, 2005 Quotebut if that were the case, any musician or artist could perform exactly the same as another, and bring about the same emotion in those watching/listening. Exactly. Anyone can learn to compose music, but only 1 in maybe a billion can do it as well as Motzart, Beethoven, etc. Anyone can learn to ride a motorcycle, but, again, how many can storm 250 Moto GP like Valentino Rossi? I didn't say what I said to be racist, I meant it for what it was. Matisyahu has a phenominal talent. The great blend of Rasta and Dub styles...it's very reminiscent of Banton, Bushman, or Mikey Dread. That's what truly blew me away. And, yes, I was a bit surprised that it was coming from a Hassidic, as that's not something one sees everyday.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #10 June 13, 2005 Quotebut if that were the case, any musician or artist could perform exactly the same as another, and bring about the same emotion in those watching/listening. if you train for the specific style or genre of another artist you CAN.. there are guitarists now who play hendrix songs BETTER than he originally did... HOW? practice, training and learning to listen for the subtleties that make one performance distinctive from another.... its all up to the individual and how much they want to learn, train, practice... the point was that it isnt limited by any racial/cultural stereo types.. or will you now argue that this guy DIDNT listen to existing performers in his genre?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #11 June 13, 2005 cool video. thanks------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #12 June 13, 2005 Quotethere are guitarists now who play hendrix songs BETTER than he originally did... Huh?! Nobody will ever play Hendrix better than Jimi himself did, and as it was meant to be played...raw, dirty, and from his soul. Someone may do a remake that you "prefer" over the Hendrix version, but that doesn't mean it's overall better.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #13 June 13, 2005 i got his cd, its nothing special. that one song is pretty good though. hes been on tv a lot and in the news. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 June 13, 2005 no you 'prefer' the original better, but many many guitarists at all levels of professional accomplishment have taken the path he laid and carried farther than he did, and can and do recreate his performances more than 'note for note' but 'wave form for wave form' (yes they have been analyzed to that level to learn the how/whys).... every single embellishment he ever did, from ANY performance you can name and many most casual listeners cannot..... a true 'student' of his can tell you which licks come from which shows in what year and recreate them whenever they wish... the difference is simply nostalgia, the misconception that the 'first' will always be the best... but that is simply erroneous and doesnt change the fact that there are musicians NOW who can and do daily surpass the level of performance hendrix or any other 'mythical' musician or artist once reached... it happens in painting as well there are forgeries of old masters that can ONLY be distiquished by chemical analysis of the material... it is called progress, we stand on the shoulders of those who came before and it happens in EVERY field of human endeavor for those who take the time and put the energy into learning their craft..... if you dont believe me i'll invite you over to a friends studio to play '"live or memorex" sometime..... you wont be the first one to guess wrong... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #15 June 13, 2005 But can they write a new Hendrix song. Could they take everything that made Hendrix great and put it into a totally new piece of music?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #16 June 13, 2005 I agree with you 100% PS i never thought what you said was rascist mate, i just got in the impression that you liked what you saw, and like me, were just surprised to see some Hassidic guy busting out like that "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #17 June 13, 2005 QuoteThis is actually pretty fresh sounding! I disagree not really fresh at all it's been done before. I actually thought it was a little below average because it lacked the energy & performance aspect of other dance hall artist. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #18 June 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteThis is actually pretty fresh sounding! I disagree not really fresh at all it's been done before. I actually thought it was a little below average because it lacked the energy & performance aspect of other dance hall artist. That's funny, i didn't realise the reggae with hiphop, dancehall, religious crooner with conscious lyrics live band fusion scene was so played out. He is not a dancehall artist, he is essentially a reggae artist. Perhaps that's why he didn't have the "energy and performance" you were expecting? Who were you comparing him to? "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #19 June 13, 2005 QuoteThat's funny, i didn't realise the reggae with hiphop, dancehall, religious crooner with conscious lyrics live band fusion scene was so played out. I didn't say it was played out its just not fresh. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #20 June 14, 2005 QuoteBut can they write a new Hendrix song. no because Hendrix is dead... no one can write a new Hendrix song... QuoteCould they take everything that made Hendrix great and put it into a totally new piece of music? absolutely... maybe you should check the list of modern guitarists in all genre's who site Hendrix as a major influence... they stand on his shoulders, and push the envelope in the same manner he did..how? learning, study, and practice... it is simply not as dramatic because their hasnt been a revolution in sound the way there was in Hendrix's time.... a great many musicians from his time period now counted as 'legends' benefited from the technological/media revolution as much as they did from their own abilities...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #21 June 14, 2005 QuoteThis is actually pretty fresh sounding! http://www.wimp.com/jewish/ "Get down with your bad self!" mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #22 June 14, 2005 Quoteabsolutely... maybe you should check the list of modern guitarists in all genre's who site Hendrix as a major influence... they stand on his shoulders, and push the envelope in the same manner he did..how? learning, study, and practice... it is simply not as dramatic because their hasnt been a revolution in sound the way there was in Hendrix's time.... a great many musicians from his time period now counted as 'legends' benefited from the technological/media revolution as much as they did from their own abilities... Some interesting thoughts there, and I mostly agree with you, BUT I can't agree with your assertion that practice is everything. Some people are just more talented than others, regardless of how much work is put in. Some people will always be better. Also, I doubt practice is anywhere near as helpfull for creating music, rather than just copying.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
