waltappel 1 #1 June 9, 2005 The MJ trial is a tough one to call. One one hand, if any "ordinary" person (like me) slept with that many boys and had a bunch of porn around and gave the boys access to alcohol, my guess is that it would be a sure-fire conviction. On the other hand, MJ is definitely NOT an average Joe, so he has a chance of acquittal. I think he's guilty of child molestation but the conspiracy charges seem pretty weak. The charge of giving alcohol to minors seems like he probably did it but there is reasonable doubt. On the child molestation charge, I can't get past the fact that he settled the 1993 lawsuit out of court for $15.3 million. I don't care how rich someone is--no way do I think an innocent person would fork over that kind of money just to get rid of a harassment lawsuit--particularly when the accusations are so vile. What do you think? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #2 June 9, 2005 I don't think he will be convicted of molestation charges. I think he WILL be convicted of contributing to the deliquency of a minor and lewd conducts or something along those lines. Now whether or not I think he molested the kids, well, the jury is still out. Some days I do, some days I don't. The guy is a freak but I just don't know how far he would go. JUDYBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #3 June 9, 2005 QuoteI don't think he will be convicted of molestation charges. I think he WILL be convicted of contributing to the deliquency of a minor and lewd conducts or something along those lines. Now whether or not I think he molested the kids, well, the jury is still out. Some days I do, some days I don't. The guy is a freak but I just don't know how far he would go. I absolutely agree with Judy. I think he'll get charged with something other than molestation. I also flip between "yes" and "no" depending on the day. Somethings you just don't want to believe unless there is video, for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #4 June 9, 2005 Either acquitted or hung jury on all counts. The prosecution witnesses have huge credibility problems. If the only evidence to justify conviction is the 1993 case, your opinion may be one that the jury shares, but it's also something that's likely to result in a reversal on appeal if he is convicted. Evidence that he might have committed a crime in the past isn't evidence that he committed the crime at issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #5 June 9, 2005 QuoteEither acquitted or hung jury on all counts. The prosecution witnesses have huge credibility problems. If the only evidence to justify conviction is the 1993 case, your opinion may be one that the jury shares, but it's also something that's likely to result in a reversal on appeal if he is convicted. Evidence that he might have committed a crime in the past isn't evidence that he committed the crime at issue. Many of the prosecution witnesses can be dismissed as suspect in their motivations and/or their veracity but the circumstantial evidence seems overwhelming. To me it's a case of "where there's smoke there's fire", and there is a whole lot of smoke. The 1993 settlement is pretty smokey and implies a pattern of behavior. Another thing to consider is the Scot Peterson trial. I did not think the state proved their case. My gut feeling is that he was/is completely guilty, but there just wasn't enough evidence. I was very surprised when the returned a guilty verdict and absolutely floored when they gave him the death penalty. The circumstantial evidence against MJ seems MUCH stronger than the evidence in the Scot Peterson case. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #6 June 9, 2005 ***Either acquitted or hung jury on all counts. The prosecution witnesses have huge credibility problems. That's what I was thinking too........Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #7 June 12, 2005 Hi walt MJ is facing a lot of charges. si I'll take the easy way out Jury will find him Guily on some charges not on others. MJ serves time he will end up in never land hospital at states expense. Unless he gets sentenced as a juvie R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #8 June 12, 2005 Am I the only one who believes that allowing your child to sleep over at Michael Jackson's house should constitute a charge of child neglect/endangerment against the parents? No opinion on the verdict. Didn't watch the trial. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #9 June 12, 2005 I say hung on the molestation charge, acquittal on the others. The state will not refile and Jackson will be free to play again..... classism sucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #10 June 12, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one who believes that allowing your child to sleep over at Michael Jackson's house should constitute a charge of child neglect/endangerment against the parents? No opinion on the verdict. Didn't watch the trial. FallRate You are definitely NOT alone on that count. The facts are really freakish. We're not talking parents allowing MJ to sleep with their child once or twice. We're talking many dozens of times. The mother of the accuser is a real piece of work. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #11 June 13, 2005 After being acquitted, he will vow to spend the rest of his life "searching for the real molester"."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #12 June 13, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one who believes that allowing your child to sleep over at Michael Jackson's house should constitute a charge of child neglect/endangerment against the parents? No opinion on the verdict. Didn't watch the trial. FallRate Civilly speaking, comparative negligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #13 June 13, 2005 likely he will walk.... he's Weird,,,, with a Capital W.... but as the late Johnnie Cochran has stated,, "The color of Justice in this country is not black or white... it is Green. !! ( $$$$ ) .... sad.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #14 June 13, 2005 I think Michael will walk. Personally I believe he's guilty as hell. But from what I've heard, in the nonstop coverage of the trial, the prosecution hasn't done a very good job of proving their case. I'm not even sure a responsible jury could find him guilty. His defense team has done a good job, which is what you'd expect from a high paid, high power defense team. Move over OJ and Baretta, Michael's joining the club. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #15 June 13, 2005 Quote likely he will walk.... he's Weird,,,, with a Capital W.... but as the late Johnnie Cochran has stated,, "The color of Justice in this country is not black or white... it is Green. !! ( $$$$ ) .... sad.... Mikee is weird The kids parents are weird but the Judge allowed in info about "prior past deeds" (the $25 payoff in 1992) IMO the jury will convict mikee of something. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #16 June 13, 2005 QuoteAm I the only one who believes that allowing your child to sleep over at Michael Jackson's house should constitute a charge of child neglect/endangerment against the parents? No opinion on the verdict. Didn't watch the trial. FallRate Janet Arvisio is a money grabbing, own-child-as-bait using, non-parent as far as i'm concerned. This whole thing is a crock of shit, made up so she can get her dirty paws on more money through illicit means as far as i'm concerned. Jacko is wacko, there is no doubt about that, but the guy is a 45 year old man with the mindset of a 15 year old. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #17 June 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteAm I the only one who believes that allowing your child to sleep over at Michael Jackson's house should constitute a charge of child neglect/endangerment against the parents? No opinion on the verdict. Didn't watch the trial. FallRate Janet Arvisio is a money grabbing, own-child-as-bait using, non-parent as far as i'm concerned. This whole thing is a crock of shit, made up so she can get her dirty paws on more money through illicit means as far as i'm concerned. Jacko is wacko, there is no doubt about that, but the guy is a 45 year old man with the mindset of a 15 year old. Michael Jackson is a predator and choses his victims deliberately. Most parents would not sell their children's innocence for new cars, vacations and cash. Jackson finds the ones who will look the other way if the price is right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #18 June 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteAm I the only one who believes that allowing your child to sleep over at Michael Jackson's house should constitute a charge of child neglect/endangerment against the parents? No opinion on the verdict. Didn't watch the trial. FallRate Janet Arvisio is a money grabbing, own-child-as-bait using, non-parent as far as i'm concerned. This whole thing is a crock of shit, made up so she can get her dirty paws on more money through illicit means as far as i'm concerned. Jacko is wacko, there is no doubt about that, but the guy is a 45 year old man with the mindset of a 15 year old. Michael Jackson is a predator and choses his victims deliberately. Most parents would not sell their children's innocence for new cars, vacations and cash. Jackson finds the ones who will look the other way if the price is right.] Those who will "look the other way" as you put it, while knowingly leaving their children with a guy who "might" be a child molestor, need to be locked up. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #19 June 13, 2005 I agree. The parents are just as guilty as he is. And for the record, I do believe he's guilty, but I wouldn't be surprised if the verdict went either way. As there are several charges against him, my guess is he'll be found guilty in at least some of them! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #20 June 13, 2005 Verdict is in...getting read at 1:30PST..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #21 June 13, 2005 I believe he will be found Not Guilty on all counts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
