eaglenrider 0 #26 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteDo you believe that those men who were held as slaves don't deserve that compensation? yeah, but it's too much trouble to dig them all up to pay them. __________________________________________________ But don't their progeny deserve the inheritance? Blues, Cliff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #27 June 8, 2005 Quote You wonder why the progeny of the slaves steal your cars and rape your women? It is because they don't recognize your laws. This is one of the all-time greatest rationalizations I have ever seen. People that steal, rape, or committ other crimes against people do so because they are morally deficient. Period. End of story. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #28 June 8, 2005 Quote You also will begrudgungly admit that slavery is,was, has always, been wrong. I say it is an abomination before my God!! Certainly , reasoned Men realize that slavery is wrong and that everyman who performs a fair days work deserves a fair days wages. The same is true of those who were kept as slaves. For every day they worked they deserve a fair days wages. I'll agree with that. Quote Compound interest is remarkable! Can you calculate the amount of past wages due to one 1850 farm hand for one days labor? Can you? Who's to say how much of that money would have been earning interest.? How do you determine who's ancestors were slaves, how do you decide how to divide up the money? QuoteDo you believe that those men who were held as slaves don't deserve that compensation? I believe they do, but they're kind of dead. Dead people don't have much use for money. Consider this: Who's descendants are better off now: Those who were slaves, or those who remained in Africa? Edit: Damn Ron, I think I just posted everything you said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #29 June 8, 2005 Quote And you wonder why the desendants of slaves don't wish to legitemize the US govt by participating? Many do. QuoteIt is because they don't recognize your laws. Laws apply to everybody, if someone doesn't recognize them, they can elect to get the fuck out. Quote If you did you would compensate those who desended from slaves. Ok, here is a simple question: How? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #30 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt is because they don't recognize your laws. Laws apply to everybody, if someone doesn't recognize them, they can elect to get the fuck out. __________________________________________________ Not everyone recognizes the US government as a legitimate government. Sons and grandsons of slaves have no reason to believe that the US will look out for their interests and who could blame them. They could "elect to get the fuck out" but in reality they have stayed and decided to tell you to " get the fuck out." Dat's why you people so scared today ob the black man! Blues, Cliff __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KATO33 0 #31 June 8, 2005 Quote...........just because you're great-great-great-great-grandmother might have been a slave. MY Great grand father was a slave so it wasn't that long ago Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #32 June 8, 2005 As was mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #33 June 8, 2005 "There's a lot of bad shit that happened in the past. That was the past. Get the fuck over it. You don't get a free penny just because you're great-great-great-great-grandmother might have been a slave" Telling someone to "get the fuck over it" simply dismisses whatever they're supposed to get over as a minor incident. I stepped on your shoe, sorry, get the fuck over it. While I understand your point, a dismissive attitude isn't going to help us come to an understanding. As far as might have been a slave, the VAST majority of Black/African American people in the US have ancestors who were slaves in this country. The percentage of those who don't is miniscule at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KATO33 0 #34 June 8, 2005 OK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #35 June 8, 2005 Here is an interesting article for you to read. http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #36 June 8, 2005 QuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. Once again, this is a perfect example of thinking that you and / or the black community is owed something. Guess what, if slavery ended yesterday, or last year perhaps you would have some valid points. But for Gods sakes, the shit ended 150 years ago. How much longer is the black community going to bitch about this. Plenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did. Should we also ask the masses that own very large chunks of land to give it up so American Indians can get their retribution for what happened to their generations? Is that really the answer? Hell no... Perhaps Jewish people should be allowed to inject dye into the eyes of Germans so they can see if they can change their eye colors? Will that give them retribution? The black community has GOT to get over this shit. It is as simple as that. As long as racists like Jackson and Sharpton are out there spewing there racist bullshit we will be a society divided by color. There are terms for people like them. That term is a racist. You cant change the past but you can control the future. Living in the past is not going to accomplish anything. The black man is his own worst enemy when it comes to the fight for equality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #37 June 8, 2005 QuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. Can we talk Ebonics too? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KATO33 0 #38 June 8, 2005 QuotePlenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did Outside of the Native Americans who? Because you did say plenty. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KATO33 0 #39 June 8, 2005 QuoteCan we talk Ebonics too? Sure. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #40 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan we talk Ebonics too? Sure. No problem. I'll be Halle Berry's slave anytime!!! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #41 June 8, 2005 "Once again, this is a perfect example of thinking that you and / or the black community is owed something. Guess what, if slavery ended yesterday, or last year perhaps you would have some valid points. But for Gods sakes, the shit ended 150 years ago. How much longer is the black community going to bitch about this. Plenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did. Should we also ask the masses that own very large chunks of land to give it up so American Indians can get their retribution for what happened to their generations? Is that really the answer? Hell no... Perhaps Jewish people should be allowed to inject dye into the eyes of Germans so they can see if they can change their eye colors? Will that give them retribution? The black community has GOT to get over this shit. It is as simple as that. As long as racists like Jackson and Sharpton are out there spewing there racist bullshit we will be a society divided by color. There are terms for people like them. That term is a racist. You cant change the past but you can control the future. Living in the past is not going to accomplish anything. The black man is his own worst enemy when it comes to the fight for equality." The fact of the matter is there is no way to "fix it." "It" was never set up or intended to be fair or all inclusive. Creating a level playing field is what Kato's post references. Although slavery ended years ago, its social and economic effects still persist today. In part evidenced by this discussion. I'm curious as to the "plenty of other races" that had it worse than Blacks did (in the US). From what you've written so far in this thread and in others discussing race, it's obvious your understanding and knowledge of Black people, and their views is limited at best. Alluding to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as voices of the Black community couldn't be further from the truth. There's more to speaking for a group of people than simply being on television. The vast majority of my community would identify with Cornell West well before Jesse Jackson. Do you know who he is? If you really want to understand, then we can talk. If you want to point fingers and accuse, which is basically what you're saying Black people are doing, you'll learn absolutely nothing. And it's "their" not "there." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #42 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuotePlenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did Outside of the Native Americans who? Because you did say plenty. How about the Jewish? Or do you not consider that whole holocaust thing to be that serious? How about a real world example. How about the Iraqis that have been tortured, maimed, and executed by their own country's leadership over the past couple of decades. Are they screaming retribution? No, they are happy to be moving forward as a race. Are they faced with racial issues and stereotyping? Hell yes, do they have leaders representing them and preaching bullshit that holds no merit? Hell no. Once again, the black community is its own worst enemy in the fight against racism. Blaming the white man or years of oppression is nothing MORE THAN A COP OUT. Tell you what, I want Shaquille Oneals job so I can make 50mill + a year, and I want it simply because I am white. Will I get the job? Do I deserve the job? Fuck no i dont because i am not qualified. It really is simply, really. The NFL quarterback position use to be a primarily white position. Last couple of years there have been some kickass black quarterbacks at the top of their game. How did they get there? They busted their freakin asses (black quarterbacks) and worked for it just like everyone else. How is them working hard for their jobs any different than a head coach working hard for his job? Why the fuck should a person get preferential treatment just because of his skin color??? That is total bullshit no matter how you look at it!!! Personally, if somebody made me an offer based on my skin color i would be insulted and tell them to fuck off. I am surprised the black community doesnt feel the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #43 June 8, 2005 Can we talk Ebonics too? Walt Speak Ebonics, not talk Ebonics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #44 June 8, 2005 Quote" QuoteThe fact of the matter is there is no way to "fix it." "It" was never set up or intended to be fair or all inclusive. Fix what? There isnt anything broken. We are living in a free society. What was never set up to be fair or all inclusive? I dont understand what you are saying here. Quote Although slavery ended years ago, its social and economic effects still persist today. In part evidenced by this discussion. What still persists today because of slavery? Please give me an example, one that is directly related to slavery. Quote it's obvious your understanding and knowledge of Black people, and their views is limited at best. Knowledge of black people? What knowledge do I need. You bleed red just like I do. You have the same education opportunities I do. What "knowledge" of "black" people do I need? QuoteIf you want to point fingers and accuse, which is basically what you're saying Black people are doing, you'll learn absolutely nothing. I am not accusing, I am simply saying that the black man does not deserve special treatment simply because of his skin color. QuoteAnd it's "their" not "there." Please show me where I used there instead of their Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #45 June 8, 2005 IMHO no they dont. This whole slavery reparations is a bunch of BS. Shit happens, human history is filled with injustices. Every race has been f-ed over at some point in time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #46 June 9, 2005 I think it can reasonably be argued that slavery is not the reason for black poverty today. That ended 140 years ago. That said, separate but equal was the law of the land until the 50s, so those claiming that the blacks had it no worse than many immigrants in the latter 1800s need to rethink a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #47 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think it can reasonably be argued that slavery is not the reason for black poverty today. That ended 140 years ago. Couldnt agree with you more. Its funny how any time a racial discussion takes place slavery always seems to be the topic. Its a cop out. QuoteThat said, separate but equal was the law of the land until the 50s, so those claiming that the blacks had it no worse than many immigrants in the latter 1800s need to rethink a bit. The blacks did not have it worse than the American Indian. Granted, Indians were not immigrants but they had it far worse off. No rethinking needing to be done there. Also, It is a known fact that blacks owned blacks, whites were not the only slave owners. So why is it that fact is rarely discussed? What if the blacks that are asking for retribution or believe society owes them actually come from a generation of slave OWNERS? That would be kind of ironic wouldnt it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #48 June 9, 2005 "Fix what? There isnt anything broken. We are living in a free society. What was never set up to be fair or all inclusive? I dont understand what you are saying here." You used the term "equality" so I'll stick with that. If that's the objective, that means there are things that need to be changed/fixed/addressed to reach that. My point is, the US was never set up designed, whatever term you want to use, with equality for everyone here in mind. "What still persists today because of slavery? Please give me an example, one that is directly related to slavery." Mental exercise... If a group of Africans fled Africa and reached what we now know as the US at the same time as the group of Europeans fled England and lived similar lives do you think we would be having this discussion? "Knowledge of black people? What knowledge do I need. You bleed red just like I do. You have the same education opportunities I do. What "knowledge" of "black" people do I need?" Oh if it were only that simple. The blood we bleed has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Without even knowing you I can say I've had the same educational opportunities but the world is much bigger than me and you. We're truly different people. If we were all the same then we wouldn't have opposing viewpoints. "I am not accusing, I am simply saying that the black man does not deserve special treatment simply because of his skin color." Re read your posts. You've made numerous accusations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #49 June 9, 2005 "Also, It is a known fact that blacks owned blacks, whites were not the only slave owners. So why is it that fact is rarely discussed? What if the blacks that are asking for retribution or believe society owes them actually come from a generation of slave OWNERS? That would be kind of ironic wouldnt it?" A known fact? Unless you mean Africans enslaved other Africans on the continent of Africa you simply wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #50 June 9, 2005 Quote "Knowledge of black people? What knowledge do I need. You bleed red just like I do. You have the same education opportunities I do. What "knowledge" of "black" people do I need?" Oh if it were only that simple. The blood we bleed has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Without even knowing you I can say I've had the same educational opportunities but the world is much bigger than me and you. We're truly different people. If we were all the same then we wouldn't have opposing viewpoints. I think it IS that simple. Human is human. Many in the black community seem to have a very separatist, i.e., "us vs. them" attitude yet bitterly complain that they are not treated as equals. I don't think they can have it both ways. Either they can join the party and expect equal treatment or continue to completely reject the system and, as a consequence, continue to feel like outsiders looking in. Either way, it's a conscious choice. We live in a time where as Americans, we cannot afford to be divided. I'm sure Al Queda would gladly kill black Americans just as quickly as the would kill white Americans. How's that for equal treatment? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 16 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
waltappel 1 #27 June 8, 2005 Quote You wonder why the progeny of the slaves steal your cars and rape your women? It is because they don't recognize your laws. This is one of the all-time greatest rationalizations I have ever seen. People that steal, rape, or committ other crimes against people do so because they are morally deficient. Period. End of story. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #28 June 8, 2005 Quote You also will begrudgungly admit that slavery is,was, has always, been wrong. I say it is an abomination before my God!! Certainly , reasoned Men realize that slavery is wrong and that everyman who performs a fair days work deserves a fair days wages. The same is true of those who were kept as slaves. For every day they worked they deserve a fair days wages. I'll agree with that. Quote Compound interest is remarkable! Can you calculate the amount of past wages due to one 1850 farm hand for one days labor? Can you? Who's to say how much of that money would have been earning interest.? How do you determine who's ancestors were slaves, how do you decide how to divide up the money? QuoteDo you believe that those men who were held as slaves don't deserve that compensation? I believe they do, but they're kind of dead. Dead people don't have much use for money. Consider this: Who's descendants are better off now: Those who were slaves, or those who remained in Africa? Edit: Damn Ron, I think I just posted everything you said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #29 June 8, 2005 Quote And you wonder why the desendants of slaves don't wish to legitemize the US govt by participating? Many do. QuoteIt is because they don't recognize your laws. Laws apply to everybody, if someone doesn't recognize them, they can elect to get the fuck out. Quote If you did you would compensate those who desended from slaves. Ok, here is a simple question: How? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #30 June 8, 2005 QuoteIt is because they don't recognize your laws. Laws apply to everybody, if someone doesn't recognize them, they can elect to get the fuck out. __________________________________________________ Not everyone recognizes the US government as a legitimate government. Sons and grandsons of slaves have no reason to believe that the US will look out for their interests and who could blame them. They could "elect to get the fuck out" but in reality they have stayed and decided to tell you to " get the fuck out." Dat's why you people so scared today ob the black man! Blues, Cliff __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #31 June 8, 2005 Quote...........just because you're great-great-great-great-grandmother might have been a slave. MY Great grand father was a slave so it wasn't that long ago Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #33 June 8, 2005 "There's a lot of bad shit that happened in the past. That was the past. Get the fuck over it. You don't get a free penny just because you're great-great-great-great-grandmother might have been a slave" Telling someone to "get the fuck over it" simply dismisses whatever they're supposed to get over as a minor incident. I stepped on your shoe, sorry, get the fuck over it. While I understand your point, a dismissive attitude isn't going to help us come to an understanding. As far as might have been a slave, the VAST majority of Black/African American people in the US have ancestors who were slaves in this country. The percentage of those who don't is miniscule at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #34 June 8, 2005 OK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #35 June 8, 2005 Here is an interesting article for you to read. http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #36 June 8, 2005 QuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. Once again, this is a perfect example of thinking that you and / or the black community is owed something. Guess what, if slavery ended yesterday, or last year perhaps you would have some valid points. But for Gods sakes, the shit ended 150 years ago. How much longer is the black community going to bitch about this. Plenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did. Should we also ask the masses that own very large chunks of land to give it up so American Indians can get their retribution for what happened to their generations? Is that really the answer? Hell no... Perhaps Jewish people should be allowed to inject dye into the eyes of Germans so they can see if they can change their eye colors? Will that give them retribution? The black community has GOT to get over this shit. It is as simple as that. As long as racists like Jackson and Sharpton are out there spewing there racist bullshit we will be a society divided by color. There are terms for people like them. That term is a racist. You cant change the past but you can control the future. Living in the past is not going to accomplish anything. The black man is his own worst enemy when it comes to the fight for equality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #37 June 8, 2005 QuoteOK heres the solution for the next 300 years Black owned companies shall have Free White labor. Whites shall not have the right to vote for the next 400 years. Whites shall not be taught to read or write or any formal education for the next 300 years. After 400 years Black shouldn't have any thing to complain about and we can call it even. Can we talk Ebonics too? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #38 June 8, 2005 QuotePlenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did Outside of the Native Americans who? Because you did say plenty. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #39 June 8, 2005 QuoteCan we talk Ebonics too? Sure. Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #40 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan we talk Ebonics too? Sure. No problem. I'll be Halle Berry's slave anytime!!! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #41 June 8, 2005 "Once again, this is a perfect example of thinking that you and / or the black community is owed something. Guess what, if slavery ended yesterday, or last year perhaps you would have some valid points. But for Gods sakes, the shit ended 150 years ago. How much longer is the black community going to bitch about this. Plenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did. Should we also ask the masses that own very large chunks of land to give it up so American Indians can get their retribution for what happened to their generations? Is that really the answer? Hell no... Perhaps Jewish people should be allowed to inject dye into the eyes of Germans so they can see if they can change their eye colors? Will that give them retribution? The black community has GOT to get over this shit. It is as simple as that. As long as racists like Jackson and Sharpton are out there spewing there racist bullshit we will be a society divided by color. There are terms for people like them. That term is a racist. You cant change the past but you can control the future. Living in the past is not going to accomplish anything. The black man is his own worst enemy when it comes to the fight for equality." The fact of the matter is there is no way to "fix it." "It" was never set up or intended to be fair or all inclusive. Creating a level playing field is what Kato's post references. Although slavery ended years ago, its social and economic effects still persist today. In part evidenced by this discussion. I'm curious as to the "plenty of other races" that had it worse than Blacks did (in the US). From what you've written so far in this thread and in others discussing race, it's obvious your understanding and knowledge of Black people, and their views is limited at best. Alluding to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as voices of the Black community couldn't be further from the truth. There's more to speaking for a group of people than simply being on television. The vast majority of my community would identify with Cornell West well before Jesse Jackson. Do you know who he is? If you really want to understand, then we can talk. If you want to point fingers and accuse, which is basically what you're saying Black people are doing, you'll learn absolutely nothing. And it's "their" not "there." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #42 June 8, 2005 QuoteQuotePlenty of other races had it a hell of a lot worse off that the blacks did Outside of the Native Americans who? Because you did say plenty. How about the Jewish? Or do you not consider that whole holocaust thing to be that serious? How about a real world example. How about the Iraqis that have been tortured, maimed, and executed by their own country's leadership over the past couple of decades. Are they screaming retribution? No, they are happy to be moving forward as a race. Are they faced with racial issues and stereotyping? Hell yes, do they have leaders representing them and preaching bullshit that holds no merit? Hell no. Once again, the black community is its own worst enemy in the fight against racism. Blaming the white man or years of oppression is nothing MORE THAN A COP OUT. Tell you what, I want Shaquille Oneals job so I can make 50mill + a year, and I want it simply because I am white. Will I get the job? Do I deserve the job? Fuck no i dont because i am not qualified. It really is simply, really. The NFL quarterback position use to be a primarily white position. Last couple of years there have been some kickass black quarterbacks at the top of their game. How did they get there? They busted their freakin asses (black quarterbacks) and worked for it just like everyone else. How is them working hard for their jobs any different than a head coach working hard for his job? Why the fuck should a person get preferential treatment just because of his skin color??? That is total bullshit no matter how you look at it!!! Personally, if somebody made me an offer based on my skin color i would be insulted and tell them to fuck off. I am surprised the black community doesnt feel the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #43 June 8, 2005 Can we talk Ebonics too? Walt Speak Ebonics, not talk Ebonics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #44 June 8, 2005 Quote" QuoteThe fact of the matter is there is no way to "fix it." "It" was never set up or intended to be fair or all inclusive. Fix what? There isnt anything broken. We are living in a free society. What was never set up to be fair or all inclusive? I dont understand what you are saying here. Quote Although slavery ended years ago, its social and economic effects still persist today. In part evidenced by this discussion. What still persists today because of slavery? Please give me an example, one that is directly related to slavery. Quote it's obvious your understanding and knowledge of Black people, and their views is limited at best. Knowledge of black people? What knowledge do I need. You bleed red just like I do. You have the same education opportunities I do. What "knowledge" of "black" people do I need? QuoteIf you want to point fingers and accuse, which is basically what you're saying Black people are doing, you'll learn absolutely nothing. I am not accusing, I am simply saying that the black man does not deserve special treatment simply because of his skin color. QuoteAnd it's "their" not "there." Please show me where I used there instead of their Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #45 June 8, 2005 IMHO no they dont. This whole slavery reparations is a bunch of BS. Shit happens, human history is filled with injustices. Every race has been f-ed over at some point in time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #46 June 9, 2005 I think it can reasonably be argued that slavery is not the reason for black poverty today. That ended 140 years ago. That said, separate but equal was the law of the land until the 50s, so those claiming that the blacks had it no worse than many immigrants in the latter 1800s need to rethink a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #47 June 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think it can reasonably be argued that slavery is not the reason for black poverty today. That ended 140 years ago. Couldnt agree with you more. Its funny how any time a racial discussion takes place slavery always seems to be the topic. Its a cop out. QuoteThat said, separate but equal was the law of the land until the 50s, so those claiming that the blacks had it no worse than many immigrants in the latter 1800s need to rethink a bit. The blacks did not have it worse than the American Indian. Granted, Indians were not immigrants but they had it far worse off. No rethinking needing to be done there. Also, It is a known fact that blacks owned blacks, whites were not the only slave owners. So why is it that fact is rarely discussed? What if the blacks that are asking for retribution or believe society owes them actually come from a generation of slave OWNERS? That would be kind of ironic wouldnt it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #48 June 9, 2005 "Fix what? There isnt anything broken. We are living in a free society. What was never set up to be fair or all inclusive? I dont understand what you are saying here." You used the term "equality" so I'll stick with that. If that's the objective, that means there are things that need to be changed/fixed/addressed to reach that. My point is, the US was never set up designed, whatever term you want to use, with equality for everyone here in mind. "What still persists today because of slavery? Please give me an example, one that is directly related to slavery." Mental exercise... If a group of Africans fled Africa and reached what we now know as the US at the same time as the group of Europeans fled England and lived similar lives do you think we would be having this discussion? "Knowledge of black people? What knowledge do I need. You bleed red just like I do. You have the same education opportunities I do. What "knowledge" of "black" people do I need?" Oh if it were only that simple. The blood we bleed has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Without even knowing you I can say I've had the same educational opportunities but the world is much bigger than me and you. We're truly different people. If we were all the same then we wouldn't have opposing viewpoints. "I am not accusing, I am simply saying that the black man does not deserve special treatment simply because of his skin color." Re read your posts. You've made numerous accusations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #49 June 9, 2005 "Also, It is a known fact that blacks owned blacks, whites were not the only slave owners. So why is it that fact is rarely discussed? What if the blacks that are asking for retribution or believe society owes them actually come from a generation of slave OWNERS? That would be kind of ironic wouldnt it?" A known fact? Unless you mean Africans enslaved other Africans on the continent of Africa you simply wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #50 June 9, 2005 Quote "Knowledge of black people? What knowledge do I need. You bleed red just like I do. You have the same education opportunities I do. What "knowledge" of "black" people do I need?" Oh if it were only that simple. The blood we bleed has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Without even knowing you I can say I've had the same educational opportunities but the world is much bigger than me and you. We're truly different people. If we were all the same then we wouldn't have opposing viewpoints. I think it IS that simple. Human is human. Many in the black community seem to have a very separatist, i.e., "us vs. them" attitude yet bitterly complain that they are not treated as equals. I don't think they can have it both ways. Either they can join the party and expect equal treatment or continue to completely reject the system and, as a consequence, continue to feel like outsiders looking in. Either way, it's a conscious choice. We live in a time where as Americans, we cannot afford to be divided. I'm sure Al Queda would gladly kill black Americans just as quickly as the would kill white Americans. How's that for equal treatment? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
