Muslims Desecrate The Bible

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Saudis Do Destroy Bibles, Think Tank Affirms
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
May 23, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - A U.S.-based think tank critical of the Saudi government has added its voice to allegations that authorities in the kingdom routinely destroy Bibles.

"As a matter of official policy, the government either incinerates or dumps Bibles, crosses and other Christian paraphernalia," the Saudi Institute said in an article posted on its website.

"Although considered as holy in Islam and mentioned in the Koran dozens of times, the Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia, and is confiscated and destroyed by government officials," it said.

Last week a Christian pastor who worked in Saudi Arabia during the 1990s told Cybercast News Service it was widely known among underground Christians there that Bibles were confiscated -- and sometimes shredded -- by Saudi customs officials at ports of entry.

The Saudi Embassy in Washington has yet to respond to emailed queries about its policies regarding the Bibles and the shredding allegations.

Saudi Arabia was one of the first governments to protest after Newsweek reported earlier this month that U.S. troops had thrown a Koran into a toilet to fluster Muslim terror suspects being detained by the U.S. military at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

A statement issued on May 12 said the Saudi government was "following with great concern and apprehension reports that the sanctity of the Holy Koran has been violated on several occasions at Guantanamo Bay."

Following rioting in Afghanistan and protests elsewhere in the Muslim world, Newsweek retracted the report. It said its unnamed government source was no longer certain about his original claim that he saw the Koran flushing mentioned in a military report of abuse at the base.

Home to Islam's two most revered sites, in Mecca and Medina, Saudi Arabia views itself as guardian of the religion. The kingdom is committed to the fundamentalist Wahhabi ideology, and non-Wahhabi Muslim traditions are frowned upon.

Human rights campaigners name Saudi Arabia as one of the world's most egregious violators of religious freedom.

In another article posted on its site -- and published as an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal on Friday -- Saudi Institute director Ali Al-Ahmed wrote of his fellow Saudis: "As Muslims, we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish counterparts in respecting others' holy books and religious symbols.

"Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi establishment," he continued. "TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses or Stars of David are censored."

Based in Washington, the Saudi Institute describes itself as an independent organization that provides information relating to "terrorism, democracy, human rights, charitable organizations, religious freedom and the House of Saud."

Wire services reported Saturday that 18 Saudi Muslim scholars have demanded that "those involved in the alleged desecration of the Koran at the U.S. detention facility of Guantanamo Bay be tried by an Islamic court."

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Saudis Do Destroy Bibles, Think Tank Affirms
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why would anyone care.....its just a book

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[Newbie 0]

Here is an interesting article for you to read.

http://209.197.233.93/content/view/270//

"Skydiving is a door"
Happythoughts

[rushmc 23]

I guess since Christians are evil it must be OK

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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why would anyone care.....its just a book

It proves they are dramatic hypocrites.

[wmw999 2,587]

There are bad Muslims, and there are bad Christians, and there are bad atheists, and bad Hindus, and bad Jews, and just about every other religion, color, shape, country, and everything else.

Even if they claim to represent all of (whatever), they don't. They represent themselves.

After all -- does any of us speak for all skydivers?

If one skydiver is a rapist, does that mean they all are? If one has many tattoos and piercings, or one is pedantic as all get-out, does that mean that they all are?

Didn't think so.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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There are bad Muslims, and there are bad Christians, and there are bad atheists, and bad Hindus, and bad Jews, and just about every other religion, color, shape, country, and everything else.

Even if they claim to represent all of (whatever), they don't. They represent themselves.

After all -- does any of us speak for all skydivers?

If one skydiver is a rapist, does that mean they all are? If one has many tattoos and piercings, or one is pedantic as all get-out, does that mean that they all are?

Didn't think so.

k.. specifically, what is your point?

[juanesky 0]

Obviously no point to make in regards to the hypocrisy of the perhaps half a dozen quran's mishandled, yet in the meantime their own governments go after any other religion that is not islamic. It is a very sad affair indeed..

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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There are bad Muslims, and there are bad Christians, and there are bad atheists, and bad Hindus, and bad Jews, and just about every other religion, color, shape, country, and everything else.

Even if they claim to represent all of (whatever), they don't. They represent themselves.

After all -- does any of us speak for all skydivers?

If one skydiver is a rapist, does that mean they all are? If one has many tattoos and piercings, or one is pedantic as all get-out, does that mean that they all are?

Didn't think so.

Wendy W.

What part about the Government of Saudi Arabia did you miss? I guess you would have the same reaction if this was official US Policy? Would you be OK with Customs confiscating The Q'uoran?

[billvon 3,114]

> yet in the meantime their own governments go after any other religion that is not islamic.

You better talk nice about our allies and bestest buddies, the Sauds!

But to be serious for a second here - do you feel that desecrating the book of another's religion is wrong!

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Bill the answer to that question will be no. What I see is the hypocrisy of the outcry for a few misguided actions of a few people, who after all were investigated, and the reaction of the muslim extremists and not so extremists taken as a policy of the US government.

This also translated in violent reactions, which resulted in many deaths. Do you see any hypocrisy in this at all? the General outcry in the muslim world as one of their most representative state is actually conducting a policy that desecrates other religions.

As far as I'm concerned, I wish the enemies we face now, primarily as a nation, would remain just burning the american flag, and not in taking their time to plan out terrorist attacks anywhere in the world to kill innocents, and further an agenda of pure brutal repression towards any non islamic extremist or women.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[billvon 3,114]

>>do you feel that desecrating the book of another's religion is wrong?

>Bill the answer to that question will be no.

OK, then their desecration of the bible is no issue.

>This also translated in violent reactions, which resulted in many deaths.
> Do you see any hypocrisy in this at all?

We say we are against torture, and yet we torture people. I suspect your response to such a statement would be "but that's just one person/unit/prison - it doesn't represent all americans!" Well, the acts of islamic terrorists doesn't represent all arabs, either.

> . . .as one of their most
>representative state is actually conducting a policy that desecrates
>other religions.

It sounds like that state agrees with you on the sanctity of religious books. Surely you would not condemn them for believing the same thing you do.

>As far as I'm concerned, I wish the enemies we face now, primarily as a
> nation, would remain just burning the american flag, and not in taking
> their time to plan out terrorist attacks anywhere in the world to kill
>innocents, and further an agenda of pure brutal repression towards any
>non islamic extremist or women.

Terrorists are despicable and should be imprisoned or killed no matter what their religion or nationality. Equating all arabs with terrorists - or even all devout muslims with terrorism - is no more useful than comparing the US's actions to the actions during the Crusades. Both are unwarranted generalizations.

[mr2mk1g 10]

An eye for an eye one might say.

[Darius11 12]

I have no clue how this is even possible. Considering Muslims believe in Jesus and Moses.
I don’t know about Saudi but I do know that the bible is considered a holy a book in Islam as well.

The Bush’s sure know how to pick their friends.

In every religion there will be people who will misinterpret, or lie to get what they want to achieve.

Sad and disrespectful.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I have no clue how this is even possible. Considering Muslims believe in Jesus and Moses.
I don’t know about Saudi but I do know that the bible is considered a holy a book in Islam as well.

Do you think a terrorist would destroy a Bible?

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The Bush’s sure know how to pick their friends.

Your post was good till you threw the typical Bush slam in there.

Clinton didn't exactly distance himself from the Saudi's either.

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In every religion there will be people who will misinterpret, or lie to get what they want to achieve.

Hell, thats most of the power of religions.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Darius11 12]

Do you think a terrorist would destroy a Bible?

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I think a terrorist values nothing so yes they would.

Your post was good till you threw the typical Bush slam in there.

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Yea i couldn't resist
Not a slam just the truth here i will fix it.
Our presidents sure know how to pick there friends.


***Hell, thats most of the power of religions.

Sad that most people will just follow without even understanding that what they are doing goes against what they say they believe.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Ron 10]

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Our presidents sure know how to pick there friends.

I agree

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Sad that most people will just follow without even understanding that what they are doing goes against what they say they believe.

Which is the #1 reason I am not religious.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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>>do you feel that desecrating the book of another's religion is wrong?

>Bill the answer to that question will be no.

OK, then their desecration of the bible is no issue.

>This also translated in violent reactions, which resulted in many deaths.
> Do you see any hypocrisy in this at all?

We say we are against torture, and yet we torture people. I suspect your response to such a statement would be "but that's just one person/unit/prison - it doesn't represent all americans!" Well, the acts of islamic terrorists doesn't represent all arabs, either.

> . . .as one of their most
>representative state is actually conducting a policy that desecrates
>other religions.

It sounds like that state agrees with you on the sanctity of religious books. Surely you would not condemn them for believing the same thing you do.

Bill, you are not making any sense, first you understand that for me the desecration of the bible is not an issue, yet that state actually holds the Quran's sanctity very high, otherwise they would not have complained about the flushing or mistreatment of it!. So how can they agree with me? just when it comes to the bible?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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[storm1977 0]

I have a SERIOUS QUESTION

Who gives a shit if anyone mishandled the Koran(sp?) at Gitmo?
Show of hands....
Seriously... F***'em. We aren't tourturing these prisoners. So what if we rip pages out... Who cares if they piss on the Koran right in front of the prisoners. Who really cares.

I say do it more!!!!!
Make these bastards upset, make their life hell short of tourture.

When did we all collectively become the sypathetic PUSSIES of the world???

Seriously get a fucking grip people.

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I have a SERIOUS QUESTION

Who gives a shit if anyone mishandled the Koran(sp?) at Gitmo?
Show of hands....
Seriously... F***'em. We aren't tourturing these prisoners. So what if we rip pages out... Who cares if they piss on the Koran right in front of the prisoners. Who really cares.

I say do it more!!!!!
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[billvon 3,114]

>Seriously... F***'em. We aren't tourturing these prisoners.

Have you not read much news lately? We are torturing, raping and killing them. Dozens of US military personnel have been implicated in such crimes.

>When did we all collectively become the sypathetic PUSSIES of the world???

Cause we believe in pussy things like human rights. And we arrest/kill people who don't. If you're going to use human rights as an excuse to invade a country, you can't say "we don't believe in pussy human rights!" when it comes to how _we_ treat people.

[eaglenrider 0]

Cause we believe in pussy things like human rights. And we arrest/kill people who don't. If you're going to use human rights as an excuse to invade a country, you can't say "we don't believe in pussy human rights!" when it comes to how _we_ treat people.

[billvon 3,114]

>So you believe that the Koran is "human" an entitled to
>those "human rights"?

No, I don't. But the prisoners we hold are entitled to them.

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>So you believe that the Koran is "human" an entitled to
>those "human rights"?

No, I don't. But the prisoners we hold are entitled to them.

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I agree.
Let me ask you a question ,Bill.
Do you believe that the US should immediately pull out of Afgahnistan and Iraq?

Blues,
Cliff

[storm1977 0]

Some one beat me to it, but... The Koran isn't a "Human" right last time I checked.

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