gjhdiver 0 #1 June 3, 2005 Herman Goering, at the Nuremburg Trials: "Why, of course people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Sound Familar ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #2 June 3, 2005 QuoteSound familar? Yes!! www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=409555#409555... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 June 3, 2005 It's interesting to go back to that link & read what everyone was saying back in early March, 2003, before the invasion. Sounds like some of us really trusted the President, since obviously he has access to intelligence (?!) that we don't, so who are we to question when he says we should invade. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #4 June 3, 2005 Quotesince obviously he has access to intelligence (?!) I try not to post in SC coz I get caught up in the debating too much, but that, right there, is priceless! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #5 June 3, 2005 QuoteSounds like some of us really trusted the President, since obviously he has access to intelligence (?!) that we don't, so who are we to question when he says we should invade. Since the POTUS isnt actually going out and gathering the intel himself,he has to rely on what he is "fed" by the intel agencies.The intel he received regarding WMD's was deemed reliable by the sources giving it to him.He based his decision on that.But guess what,the Bush administration wasnt the only one believing in the flawed intel.In a recent 60 minutes interview with Russian president Putin,he stated that their intel guys also believed that Saddam had WMD's. It appears the "flawed" WMD intel fooled more than just the POTUS......even though few here would ever admit it.......Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #6 June 3, 2005 QuoteHerman Goering, at the Nuremburg Trials: "Why, of course people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Sound Familar ? So does this mean the Polish, French, Russians, British and Americans were lied to when they were told they were attacked and had to go to war against the axis powers? Would it have been unpatriotic of a British citizen to resist going to war with Germany when British freedom was at stake? You can take an analogy too far, at some point you have to consider the differences between one set of circumstances and another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,196 #7 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteHerman Goering, at the Nuremburg Trials: "Why, of course people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Sound Familar ? So does this mean the Polish, French, Russians, British and Americans were lied to when they were told they were attacked and had to go to war against the axis powers? Would it have been unpatriotic of a British citizen to resist going to war with Germany when British freedom was at stake? You can take an analogy too far, at some point you have to consider the differences between one set of circumstances and another. Don't be silly. There's a world of difference between starting a war with lies and "bad intel" and responding to a real invasion that you can see and hear.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jenfly00 0 #8 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuotesince obviously he has access to intelligence (?!) I try not to post in SC coz I get caught up in the debating too much, but that, right there, is priceless! You can lead a horse to water ... ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #9 June 3, 2005 Quote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,196 #10 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #11 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels. You appear to have completely misunderstood the point I was making, it explains your confusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,196 #12 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels. You appear to have completely misunderstood the point I was making, it explains your confusion. You are the confused one. You continue to support a proven liar of a president who took us to war under false pretenses, and every time a lie was exposed changed the story.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #13 June 3, 2005 You are the confused one. You continue to support a proven liar of a president who took us to war under false pretenses, and every time a lie was exposed changed the story. But wait......didnt you support the proven liar of a senator who ran against him? Who ALSO changed his story everytime one of his lies was exposed?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #14 June 4, 2005 the problem with this Godwin violation is that since 2001, most Americans don't need evidence to want to wage war against most Arab nations. They didn't need to be convinced or brainwashed to think it. (unless you want to pull out the Bush set up the bombings story again, very popular with some of our leftist talk radio in the Bay Area) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,196 #15 June 5, 2005 QuoteYou are the confused one. You continue to support a proven liar of a president who took us to war under false pretenses, and every time a lie was exposed changed the story. But wait......didnt you support the proven liar of a senator who ran against him? Who ALSO changed his story everytime one of his lies was exposed? I tried to avoid saying anything about the senator. I tried very hard to comment only on G. "Bad Intel" Bush and the Bush campaign's lies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #16 June 5, 2005 QuoteBush campaign's lies If you have proof of lies that were used to lead this country into war, please by all means get congress involved and impeach the President."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cloudseeker2001 0 #17 June 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteBush campaign's lies If you have proof of lies that were used to lead this country into war, please by all means get congress involved and impeach the President. Yea, right! Congress does not have the guts to impeach a president. I do not think that will ever happen. America bought the Bush & Co. bogus lies hook, line and sinker................Suckers. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #18 June 5, 2005 QuoteCongress does not have the guts to impeach a president. I do not think that will ever happen. It happened just a few years ago . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #19 June 6, 2005 QuoteYea, right! Congress does not have the guts to impeach a president Uh, you need to read history. Its been done twice. Andrew Johnson 1867-1968 Clinton 1998 Try using facts next time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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dorbie 0 #6 June 3, 2005 QuoteHerman Goering, at the Nuremburg Trials: "Why, of course people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Sound Familar ? So does this mean the Polish, French, Russians, British and Americans were lied to when they were told they were attacked and had to go to war against the axis powers? Would it have been unpatriotic of a British citizen to resist going to war with Germany when British freedom was at stake? You can take an analogy too far, at some point you have to consider the differences between one set of circumstances and another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #7 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteHerman Goering, at the Nuremburg Trials: "Why, of course people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Sound Familar ? So does this mean the Polish, French, Russians, British and Americans were lied to when they were told they were attacked and had to go to war against the axis powers? Would it have been unpatriotic of a British citizen to resist going to war with Germany when British freedom was at stake? You can take an analogy too far, at some point you have to consider the differences between one set of circumstances and another. Don't be silly. There's a world of difference between starting a war with lies and "bad intel" and responding to a real invasion that you can see and hear.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #8 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuotesince obviously he has access to intelligence (?!) I try not to post in SC coz I get caught up in the debating too much, but that, right there, is priceless! You can lead a horse to water ... ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #9 June 3, 2005 Quote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #10 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #11 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels. You appear to have completely misunderstood the point I was making, it explains your confusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #12 June 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Don't be silly. The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels. You appear to have completely misunderstood the point I was making, it explains your confusion. You are the confused one. You continue to support a proven liar of a president who took us to war under false pretenses, and every time a lie was exposed changed the story.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #13 June 3, 2005 You are the confused one. You continue to support a proven liar of a president who took us to war under false pretenses, and every time a lie was exposed changed the story. But wait......didnt you support the proven liar of a senator who ran against him? Who ALSO changed his story everytime one of his lies was exposed?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 June 4, 2005 the problem with this Godwin violation is that since 2001, most Americans don't need evidence to want to wage war against most Arab nations. They didn't need to be convinced or brainwashed to think it. (unless you want to pull out the Bush set up the bombings story again, very popular with some of our leftist talk radio in the Bay Area) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #15 June 5, 2005 QuoteYou are the confused one. You continue to support a proven liar of a president who took us to war under false pretenses, and every time a lie was exposed changed the story. But wait......didnt you support the proven liar of a senator who ran against him? Who ALSO changed his story everytime one of his lies was exposed? I tried to avoid saying anything about the senator. I tried very hard to comment only on G. "Bad Intel" Bush and the Bush campaign's lies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #16 June 5, 2005 QuoteBush campaign's lies If you have proof of lies that were used to lead this country into war, please by all means get congress involved and impeach the President."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #17 June 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteBush campaign's lies If you have proof of lies that were used to lead this country into war, please by all means get congress involved and impeach the President. Yea, right! Congress does not have the guts to impeach a president. I do not think that will ever happen. America bought the Bush & Co. bogus lies hook, line and sinker................Suckers. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #18 June 5, 2005 QuoteCongress does not have the guts to impeach a president. I do not think that will ever happen. It happened just a few years ago . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 June 6, 2005 QuoteYea, right! Congress does not have the guts to impeach a president Uh, you need to read history. Its been done twice. Andrew Johnson 1867-1968 Clinton 1998 Try using facts next time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
