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I don't know any Conservatives that condone or support individual members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes.
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Seems like alot of them support George W. Bush + Rumsfeld.
Blues,
Cliff
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Seems like alot of them support George W. Bush + Rumsfeld.
Blues,
Cliff
billvon 3,120
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>I don't know any Conservatives that condone or support individual
> members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes.
Rush Limbaugh -
"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives over it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of needing to blow some steam off? I don't understand what we're so worried about. These are the people that are trying to kill us."
Peacefuljeffery:
"Once someone transgresses in a violent criminal manner, he has broken the "do no harm to others" tenet of our social contract. A person who responds to that transgression is no longer bound by the same rules that govern him if he were acting under "peacetime rules" of behavior.
There is no absolute that says violent behavior is axiomatically wrong. Generally, it is if it is used preemptively, but violence is righteous if it is used in defense to save the innocent."
miked10270:
"IMHO Graner was guilty of getting caught. . . .
Where it all went pear-shaped for them wasn't their behaviour, it was the exposure of such behaviour worldwide. IT was out, people were outraged, something had to be done, "court martial the folk in the photos!!!!!" That way the world would believe that no investigating agency (certainly NOT an American one) would tolerate such behaviour... Sure."
> members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes.
Rush Limbaugh -
"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives over it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of needing to blow some steam off? I don't understand what we're so worried about. These are the people that are trying to kill us."
Peacefuljeffery:
"Once someone transgresses in a violent criminal manner, he has broken the "do no harm to others" tenet of our social contract. A person who responds to that transgression is no longer bound by the same rules that govern him if he were acting under "peacetime rules" of behavior.
There is no absolute that says violent behavior is axiomatically wrong. Generally, it is if it is used preemptively, but violence is righteous if it is used in defense to save the innocent."
miked10270:
"IMHO Graner was guilty of getting caught. . . .
Where it all went pear-shaped for them wasn't their behaviour, it was the exposure of such behaviour worldwide. IT was out, people were outraged, something had to be done, "court martial the folk in the photos!!!!!" That way the world would believe that no investigating agency (certainly NOT an American one) would tolerate such behaviour... Sure."
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QuoteI don't know any Conservatives that condone or support individual members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes.
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Seems like alot of them support George W. Bush + Rumsfeld.
Blues,
Cliff
Opinion - post your proof of war crimes that Bush or Rumsfeld have committed.
Mike
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Quote>I don't know any Conservatives that condone or support individual
> members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes.
Rush Limbaugh -
"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation, and we're going to ruin people's lives over it, and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of needing to blow some steam off? I don't understand what we're so worried about. These are the people that are trying to kill us."
Peacefuljeffery:
"Once someone transgresses in a violent criminal manner, he has broken the "do no harm to others" tenet of our social contract. A person who responds to that transgression is no longer bound by the same rules that govern him if he were acting under "peacetime rules" of behavior.
There is no absolute that says violent behavior is axiomatically wrong. Generally, it is if it is used preemptively, but violence is righteous if it is used in defense to save the innocent."
miked10270:
"IMHO Graner was guilty of getting caught. . . .
Where it all went pear-shaped for them wasn't their behaviour, it was the exposure of such behaviour worldwide. IT was out, people were outraged, something had to be done, "court martial the folk in the photos!!!!!" That way the world would believe that no investigating agency (certainly NOT an American one) would tolerate such behaviour... Sure."
First off, I don't know any of the 3 people you listed. Even if I did, I don't see how 3 people's opinion would make it a partisan issue. I can post all kinds of stuff lefties have said but I wouldn't characterize their words as representing a particular political view. Second, you provided no context for for their statements. Third, you chose 2 of 3 who are unable to defend what they said.
billvon 3,120
>First off, I don't know any of the 3 people you listed. . , , ,
You don't know Rush Limbaugh? Fat guy, talks a lot, abuses prescription drugs?
>Second, you provided no context for for their statements. Third, you
>chose 2 of 3 who are unable to defend what they said.
This was not intended to say anything about the veracity or defensibility of their statements. You said you didn't know any conservatives who condone or support our armed forces when they torture people. Now you know of three.
You don't know Rush Limbaugh? Fat guy, talks a lot, abuses prescription drugs?
>Second, you provided no context for for their statements. Third, you
>chose 2 of 3 who are unable to defend what they said.
This was not intended to say anything about the veracity or defensibility of their statements. You said you didn't know any conservatives who condone or support our armed forces when they torture people. Now you know of three.
Quote>First off, I don't know any of the 3 people you listed. . , , ,
QuoteYou don't know Rush Limbaugh? Fat guy, talks a lot, abuses prescription drugs?
Never met him. He isn't fat anymore and have heard he went throught drug rehab.
>Second, you provided no context for for their statements. Third, you
>chose 2 of 3 who are unable to defend what they said.QuoteThis was not intended to say anything about the veracity or defensibility of their statements.
Nor does it say anything about the context in which the statements were made. It's very easy to take someones words and twist them to mean anything you want. Liberals do it all the time because of their over blown sense of self-righteousness.QuoteYou said you didn't know any conservatives who condone or support our armed forces when they torture people. Now you know of three.
Nope. Never met any of the 3 you mentioned. I do suspect you chose these 3 because they can't defend themselves. I believe you banned one.QuoteI'm a liberal (by the dictionary definition, not yours) and proud of it. We'd have a lot fewer problems, IMO, if more people could take a liberal view of things. -Billvon
Pretty much says it all.
billvon 3,120
Like I said, before you didn't know any. Now you know of 3. But feel free to pretend they didn't say that; it makes a better sound bite when you can say "I don't know of any conservatives that say that!"
>Pretty much says it all. (me being a liberal)
Absolutely. From the dictionary:
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
>Pretty much says it all. (me being a liberal)
Absolutely. From the dictionary:
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
QuoteLike I said, before you didn't know any. Now you know of 3. But feel free to pretend they didn't say that; it makes a better sound bite when you can say "I don't know of any conservatives that say that!"
>Pretty much says it all. (me being a liberal)
Absolutely. From the dictionary:
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Glad to hear you find it so easy to identify who you are from looking it up in a dictionary. Most people I know can't be defined so simply. Much more complex, but I'm glad for you.
From Bartlebys Definition:
liberalism
In the twentieth century, a viewpoint or ideology associated with free political institutions and religious toleration, as well as support for a strong role of government in regulating capitalism and constructing the welfare state.
Something to be proud of, good for you.
Why is it that Muslim extremists can cling to the Q'uoran and declare this to be a Holy War and our guys can't invoke their beliefs in such a small and inconsequential way?
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Homefield advantage?
Blues,
Cliff
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Homefield advantage?
Blues,
Cliff
Opinion - post your proof of war crimes that Bush or Rumsfeld have committed.
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The lists are long .
Would you prefer I first list the war crimes of Bush or Rumsfeld?
Blues,
Cliff
I don't know any Conservatives that condone or support individual members of our Armed Forces when they commit war crimes. I don't know what kind of crazy template of a Conservative you have in your mind, but I'd suggest you re-examine it.
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