alcohol overdose

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Do you know what BAC level is enough to kill most people? I was recently shocked to find out that .4-.45 was fatal for most. I researched the matter after a healthy co-worker overdosed with a .41 BAC level. I am certainly not in favor of probihibition. However, I think this does make an arguement for it. And I think that the constant glorification of alcohol shows ignorance.

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[feuergnom 29]

you can die from drinking to much water too – the constant glorification of water shows ignorance.

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[Skolls081102 0]

I disagree. This does not make the argument for prohibition. This makes the argument for common sense. Do you have any idea how much alcohol you would need to drink to get a BAC of .4 or higher? How about making the argument for a little self control?
Sorry to hear about your coworker. It's a shame that had to happen.

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[FallRate 0]

The fact that Prohibition was tested and failed miserably is a rather good argument against it. But it can be entertaining to revive antiquated laws. While we're at it, lets bring back stoning for working on the Sabbath.

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you can die from drinking to much water too – the constant glorification of water shows ignorance.

Can you please point to a study that says how much water one must drink to send their heart into cardiac arrest? I think your logic is about as sensible as saying that we should not have to jump with a reserve after all you can get struck by lightning just going home from work.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[AggieDave 6]

For a very outspoken conservative you're really trying to shrug off people's personal responsibility. Make it a government problem to make sure people don't do stupid things...that's a VERY liberal stance politically. Surprising coming from you.

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[skymedic 0]

i've had patients with a BAC of .6 who walked to the ambulance....

common sense should prevail when it comes to drinking..simple as that. it takes a TON of alchohol to get you THAT juiced up. where were this guys friends? to take the beer away or the shot away when he was getting that hammered???

Marc
otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman....

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I disagree. This does not make the argument for prohibition. This makes the argument for common sense. Do you have any idea how much alcohol you would need to drink to get a BAC of .4 or higher? How about making the argument for a little self control?
Sorry to hear about your coworker. It's a shame that had to happen.

Actually it wouldn't take that much. For a 190 pound male a one liter bottle of vodka or Rum will do it. How many times have you heard people bragging that they were able to drink an entire bottle of hard liquor. Actually if you research that matter you will find that most of the time these people are lying as it would actually have put them at above a .6 which is never surviveable.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[feuergnom 29]

drinking huge amounts of water in a short period of time (about 4 liters in an hour) will kill you, as the vital minerals will be washed out of your body

if you don't believe me, ask your doctor

maybe i should have added /sarcasm/ in my first post

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dudeist skydiver # 666

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For a very outspoken conservative you're really trying to shrug off people's personal responsibility. Make it a government problem to make sure people don't do stupid things...that's a VERY liberal stance politically. Surprising coming from you.

I thought I made it clear in my first post that I was NOT for prohibition. I just think that too many people glorify alcohol not knowing the very REAL risks involved with it.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[AggieDave 6]

Um, excuse me please:

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However, I think this does make an arguement for it.

You state your previous opinion then quantify with a changing clause, that shows a shift in your opinion. Atleast that's what it says.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[eaglenrider 0]

How many times have you heard people bragging that they were able to drink an entire bottle of hard liquor. Actually if you research that matter you will find that most of the time these people are lying as it would actually have put them at above a .6 which is never surviveable.

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i've had patients with a BAC of .6 who walked to the ambulance....

common sense should prevail when it comes to drinking..simple as that. it takes a TON of alchohol to get you THAT juiced up. where were this guys friends? to take the beer away or the shot away when he was getting that hammered???

Actually he was alone at home. Nobody had heard from him for 3 days or so, until he was found dead. Nobody may know why he did this. Still I was surprised how easily one can reach a fatal doseage. When I first heard .41, I thought that was not enough but then after researching the matter, I found that it was definately enough.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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Actually if you research that matter you will find that most of the time these people are lying as it would actually have put them at above a .6 which is never surviveable.

Actually, if you research the matter, it is quite survivable.
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[Skolls081102 0]

You're right- weight does play a factor in how much alcohol it will take to raise your BAC. But even for a 190 poun person- drinking an entire bottle of alcohol is not using common sense. It's called self-control.
And for the record- it's called Water Intoxication. You can look it up on WebMD or google for that matter.

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[billvon 3,111]

>And I think that the constant glorification of alcohol shows ignorance.

Glorification of any excess shows a lack of wisdom. Goes for alcohol, fat, gasoline, patriotism, religion, sugar, partying, dieting - you name it.

[Zep 0]

Sorry to disagree but twice I've been hosptalised for the result of drinking contests

1st time 1and1/2 bottels of vodka Nearly died due to asfixiation, stomach pumped. two night in hospital

2nd time more than a bottle of whisky in less than half an hour, passed out woke up in hospital an the release paper
said 5 on the Glasgow scale

BAC dont know what it is.

Some people can drink more than a bottle an live.



PS. now I drink in moderation

Gone fishing

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Sorry to disagree but twice I've been hosptalised for the result of drinking contests

1st time 1and1/2 bottels of vodka Nearly died due to asfixiation, stomach pumped. two night in hospital

2nd time more than a bottle of whisky in less than half an hour, passed out woke up in hospital an the release paper
said 5 on the Glasgow scale

BAC dont know what it is.

Some people can drink more than a bottle an live.



PS. now I drink in moderation

You need to ask the question of how much do you weigh? Also some people hook in and impact at 40MPH and die, others might survive at 50 MPH. Exactly how much it will take to kill one specific person is undetermined. But it is a fact, .4-.45 BAC will kill most people. This is not a matter of opinion.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[Skyrad 0]

Sure but I bet it wasn't his first drink, if you know what I mean We had an ethanolic that was brought into A&E (ER) beause he had been drinking ethanol to the point that it was coming out of his pores, somone tossed a cig butt on him as he slept in a doorway and he went up like a candle. He didn't make it.

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[wmw999 2,587]

Something to consider is that if the .41 BAC was taken after death, unless death was very quick after the peak alcohol level, it's likely to have dropped some between peak and death.

.41 is very very high. In the likely-lethal category. But categorically stating almost anything will get people to give counter-examples, and lose the point.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>And I think that the constant glorification of alcohol shows ignorance.

Glorification of any excess shows a lack of wisdom. Goes for alcohol, fat, gasoline, patriotism, religion, sugar, partying, dieting - you name it.

how about enviromentalism - just for the dig

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[billvon 3,111]

>how about enviromentalism - just for the dig . . .

No, that's a perfect example. Radical environmentalists are protesting wind power because it kills birds and solar because it takes up too much space. They're burning houses in nature-conservancy land because they don't want any people there at all. They're pushing poverty as a good answer to excessive energy usage. They're missing the forest for the trees (pun intended.)

[Zep 0]

I weigh 95kg or 209lbs 6ft tall of that I imagine 15lbs is fat or excess beer


Not being a medical trained person someting always puzzeled me,
How is it I could drink more white rum than whisky before I got drunk?

Gone fishing

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I weigh 95kg or 209lbs 6ft tall of that I imagine 15lbs is fat or excess beer


Not being a medical trained person someting always puzzeled me,
How is it I could drink more white rum than whisky before I got drunk?

I don't know much about whisky but I think its about as strong as vodka. Rum, vodka & Jack Daniels, I know are is the 40% alcohol range. Still there are many other factors that can be involved. For instance, if you like one more than the other then you can drink it faster and for that reason get a more significant effect from it.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[flifree 0]

it's called hyponatremia and yes it can happen....more often than you think. i have run competitively my entire life and have been at a race where it happened.....'02 boston marathon. a former member of my college triathlon club died from it in a marathon in 1991. in short, the blood sodium levels are dangerously lowered due to over hydration casing swelling in the brain....seizures and cardiac arrest are most often the result. as far as your co-worker, that is horrible and i'm sorry for your loss, but it sounds like he was on a mission and it would have been something else if not for alcohol. the last thing i want is the government controlling one more aspect of my life.