JohnRich 4 #51 May 26, 2005 QuoteThis is the direct result of the policy after the invasion to dispand the armed forces, the police and other important government departments If you have been watching the news, you should have seen that the number of trained Iraqii security forces now surpasses the number the U.S. troops there. So you can't blame the current violence on what happened over a year ago. And there was no point in putting corrupt thugs back in power. But hey, you seem to prefer that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #52 May 26, 2005 May 26th: What are the peace-loving Iraqii "insurgents" (terrorists) up to today?At least 10 people died in a series of attacks Thursday in the Iraqi capital, police said. Gunmen killed six people in three separate attacks -- including a college professor and three bodyguards; a Shiite restaurant owner; and Thamir Ni'ma Ghaydan, an Industry Ministry official. A member of the Shiite party al-Dawa, Fakri Abed al-Amri, was knifed to death, and a suicide bomb in a taxi killed two police officers and a civilian and wounded six others, police said.Obviously, these are all evil people that deserved to die. So what have the evil imperialist Americans done for the Arab world today? President Bush on Thursday pledged $50 million in direct aid to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Bush said the aid is meant "to help ensure that the Gaza disengagement is a success." Israel plans to withdraw from that region this summer. The money will be used for new housing and infrastructure projects in Gaza, "where poverty and unemployment are very high," Bush said.Gosh, how dare those Americans spend so much money helping out the Palestinians! Damn them to hell! I wonder how much money New Zealand has donated to the Palestinians? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #53 May 26, 2005 QuoteI wonder how much money New Zealand has donated to the Palestinians?*** we spend our money on peace keeping you spend it on warmaking, wher does that money actually go; Historical Roots of War over Water and Oil amidst Overpopulation "Some world observers ascribe the decades-long violence, in large part, to the effects of 'U.S. aid' and arms/intelligence deals. Understandably, counter-terrorism or terrorism by Palestinians offends much of the world. People on both sides are reaping what they are sowing." From Dangerous Liaison - The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship, by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, published by HarperCollins, 1991"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #54 May 27, 2005 It's also hard to determine the number of civilians killed because they were being used as human shields by the terrorists. This has been happening with greater and greater frequency because it gives a false count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #55 May 27, 2005 May 27th: What are the peace-loving muslims doing today?A bomb blast at a Muslim shrine in Pakistan's capital Islamabad has killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. An official at an Islamabad hospital said Friday at least 40 wounded had been treated. Several hundred people were inside the Bare Iman shrine when the blast struck... Violence claimed at least 15 lives Thursday in Baghdad including a car bomb that exploded near a police patrol, killing five people and wounding 17. Insurgents have killed more than 620 people since the new government was announced on April 28. Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! And what are the evil Americans doing for peace? International donors pledged an additional $200 million Thursday to fund the African Union peacekeeping operation in Sudan's western Darfur region. The U.S. State Department's senior representative on Sudan, Charles Snyder, said Washington was adding an additional $50 million to the $95 million already pledged to end what he called "acts of genocide" in the ongoing conflict.The U.S. should just butt out of other people's business! If the Arabs want to commit genocide in the Sudan, that's none of our business! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #56 May 27, 2005 QuoteMay 27th: What are the peace-loving muslims doing today?A bomb blast at a Muslim shrine in Pakistan's capital Islamabad has killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. An official at an Islamabad hospital said Friday at least 40 wounded had been treated. Several hundred people were inside the Bare Iman shrine when the blast struck... Violence claimed at least 15 lives Thursday in Baghdad including a car bomb that exploded near a police patrol, killing five people and wounding 17. Insurgents have killed more than 620 people since the new government was announced on April 28. Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! And what are the evil Americans doing for peace? International donors pledged an additional $200 million Thursday to fund the African Union peacekeeping operation in Sudan's western Darfur region. The U.S. State Department's senior representative on Sudan, Charles Snyder, said Washington was adding an additional $50 million to the $95 million already pledged to end what he called "acts of genocide" in the ongoing conflict.The U.S. should just butt out of other people's business! If the Arabs want to commit genocide in the Sudan, that's none of our business! Don't forget Bush just committed $50 million to building homes for the Palistinians. The reaction from this gesture was "it's a modest down payment". Where are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? Oh, I remember, they have to blow themselves up and kill Americans and Jews before they get any assistance from their Arab Brothers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #57 May 27, 2005 QuoteWhere are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? They seem to be more interested in killing each other, than in helping each other out. It makes me wonder just what they heck they're actually doing with all that oil money... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #58 May 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhere are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? They seem to be more interested in killing each other, than in helping each other out. It makes me wonder just what they heck they're actually doing with all that oil money... Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #59 May 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? They seem to be more interested in killing each other, than in helping each other out. It makes me wonder just what they heck they're actually doing with all that oil money... Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world... Must be nice to have such simplistic answers. Why don't you try and answer the question? I'll listen to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #60 May 28, 2005 QuoteMay 27th: What are the peace-loving muslims doing today?A bomb blast at a Muslim shrine in Pakistan's capital Islamabad has killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. An official at an Islamabad hospital said Friday at least 40 wounded had been treated. Several hundred people were inside the Bare Iman shrine when the blast struck... Violence claimed at least 15 lives Thursday in Baghdad including a car bomb that exploded near a police patrol, killing five people and wounding 17. Insurgents have killed more than 620 people since the new government was announced on April 28. Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! __________________________________________________ John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 334 #61 May 31, 2005 Quote John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=64479&d=28&m=5&y=2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alias 0 #62 May 31, 2005 Agreed - Went looking for more info on this - and found the same stuff. No way to tell for sure. It's a draw Guy across the street is "DOD Security" (xSF) or current SF/CIA for all I know. In between Afghanistan and Iraq - 2 weeks there, then back here then two weeks there - Although I see him loading TAC bags in his truck, he is very vauge about what he does. But when discussing Afghanistan, he is full of passion about our role there - when Iraq comes up, he rolls his eyes and refuses to elaborate. I think he feels misled also, but that's just my take. He does remind me that we have some bad ass Americans out there - doing all sorts of things - who knows what Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #63 May 31, 2005 QuoteQuote John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=64479&d=28&m=5&y=2005 __________________________________________________ To quote the article you provided "No one claimed responsibility for the bombing, and Ahmed said police were trying to identify the attacker." So once again can you provide any evidence that "peace-loving Muslims" are reponsible for any of these incidents? Blues, Cliffi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #64 May 31, 2005 May 31st: What have the Muslim extremists been doing for peace over the weekend?According to a senior U.S. military intelligence official in Baghdad, more than 140 car bombings occurred in May. He also said there were nearly 60 suicide bombings in May... Three people were killed Sunday and 12 were wounded after insurgents driving two cars opened fire on an Iraqi police patrol... Near the Iraqi Oil Ministry compound, a suicide car bomb killed two people and wounded six others... A suicide car bomber targeted a convoy of Iraqi Interior Ministry commandos Sunday, killing two people, including a commando and a civilian, Iraqi police said. The attack wounded eight people, including four commandos and four civilians... The bodies of an Iraqi police officer and a translator were found shot to death on a street... A car bomb parked near an Iraqi school killed two Iraqi civilians and wounded 16 others Sunday morning... In the northern city of Mosul, a bomb killed eight Iraqi civilians Sunday morning, including children, Another two people were wounded in a second attack in Mosul...What has America been doing for peace in Iraq? Spending on reconstruction projects in Iraq has reached more than $5.5 billion. Thus far, of the 3,200 total planned projects countrywide, 2,389 have started, 1,215 are ongoing, and 1,174 have been completed in the sectors of Buildings, Health, and Education; Oil, Security and Justice; Electricity; Transportation and Communications; and Public Works and Water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alias 0 #65 May 31, 2005 QuoteWhat has America been doing for peace in Iraq? Spending on reconstruction projects in Iraq has reached more than $5.5 billion. Thus far, of the 3,200 total planned projects countrywide, 2,389 have started, 1,215 are ongoing, and 1,174 have been completed in the sectors of Buildings, Health, and Education; Oil, Security and Justice; Electricity; Transportation and Communications; and Public Works and Water. The price is getting high for the return imho Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #66 May 31, 2005 QuoteThe price is getting high for the return imho Only long-term history can properly make that determination. Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #67 May 31, 2005 >Only long-term history can properly make that determination. >Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. By those standards, looks like the Japanese made the right decision in 1941. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alias 0 #68 June 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe price is getting high for the return imho Only long-term history can properly make that determination. Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. I guess your right. We recognized a major reliance on oil 25 years ago, and did almost nothing to change. Here we go again. Maybe in 50 years we'll have learned to use a renewable energy source or simply control oil reserves abroad.. ..or were we talking about all this for another democracy in the Middle East? Because if you separate oil and stabilizing the dollar from the conclusion...too me, the price is getting high for the return imho Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #69 June 1, 2005 Quote>Only long-term history can properly make that determination. >Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. By those standards, looks like the Japanese made the right decision in 1941. Incorrect. Just because Japan is now prosperous, does not mean that their invasions of other countries was the correct course of action. History has already condemned the Japanese for their aggression and numerous atrocities. Japan's current high standard of living is due to those evil Americans who installed a democratic government and helped them get back on their feet after their defeat. Just like we're now doing in Iraq. So, 50 years from now, Iraq might be the prosperous and free shining star of the Middle East, just as Japan prospered from our post-war influence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #70 June 1, 2005 > Just because Japan is now prosperous, does not mean that their > invasions of other countries was the correct course of action. WHAT???? The ends do not justify the means? Sometimes killing is just wrong, even if there are good results later? You better get on the horn and stop telling all those conservatives to stop saying stupid things like "but the Iraqis have better schools now!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #71 June 1, 2005 June 1st: What are the peaceful Muslims doing today? A suicide bombing wounded 15 people in Iraq on Wednesday, the second attack on the main American military complex in Baghdad in 24 hours. A mortar strike on the complex Tuesday night injured 11 people. Many civilians line up at the checkpoint to go to work inside the complex. A mortar struck a house killing four people, including three children. Also killed was a 20-year-old man. A child also was wounded in the attack. Police believe the mortar was targeting a nearby Iraqi military base. Insurgents also carried out attacks in two sections of Baghdad on Wednesday, wounding six Iraqi security forces and a civilian, police told CNN.. A reporter was shot dead Tuesday morning as he was leaving his house. Jirjees Sultan was a TV reporter for al-Iraqia TV. A suicide bombing inside a mosque in southern Afghanistan during the funeral of a top Muslim cleric has killed at least 20 people, including the police chief of the country's capital. The blast also wounded 42 people. Mullah Abdul, a top cleric for southern Afghanistan and supporter of the government of President Hamid Karzai, was assassinated Sunday.Spread the love! So, what kind of no-good are those evil Americans up to?Rebuilding Iraq a big, slow job Under constant threat of sabotage, up to 200 U.S. companies are hard at work patching a nation together Contractors work under the constant threat of attack by insurgents, who have killed more than 300 Western workers to date. The 41,450 Iraqis employed on reconstruction projects have also become targets, although no one tracks the number killed. Billed as the largest such effort since the Marshall Plan, Iraq's $18.4 billion reconstruction continues in slow steps, taken under armed guard. The insurgency hasn't been able to stop it. The total amount of taxpayers' money committed to those companies in 2004 topped $9.6 billion. In other words, more than half of the $18.4 billion Congress appropriated for reconstruction has already been earmarked for specific projects.Damn those evil Americans for risking their lives to try and make Iraq a better place, with clean water, electricty, schools and hospitals. Damn them all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #72 June 1, 2005 QuoteWHAT???? The ends do not justify the means? Sometimes killing is just wrong, even if there are good results later? The two things are independent. The latter is just a by-product of the former, but is not the reason nor motive for it. I know you're smart enough to know this. Your attempts to throw barbs at America's Iraqii reconstruction are weak and ineffective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #73 June 1, 2005 >The two things are independent. The latter is just a by-product of >the former, but is not the reason nor motive for it. So the claims of "we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqis" are just outright lies? John, you better not post stuff like this or they will take away your GOP VIP card! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #74 June 1, 2005 QuoteJune 1st: What are the peaceful Muslims doing today? A suicide bombing wounded 15 people in Iraq on Wednesday, the second attack on the main American military complex in Baghdad in 24 hours. A mortar strike on the complex Tuesday night injured 11 people. Many civilians line up at the checkpoint to go to work inside the complex. A mortar struck a house killing four people, including three children. Also killed was a 20-year-old man. A child also was wounded in the attack. Police believe the mortar was targeting a nearby Iraqi military base. Insurgents also carried out attacks in two sections of Baghdad on Wednesday, wounding six Iraqi security forces and a civilian, police told CNN.. A reporter was shot dead Tuesday morning as he was leaving his house. Jirjees Sultan was a TV reporter for al-Iraqia TV. A suicide bombing inside a mosque in southern Afghanistan during the funeral of a top Muslim cleric has killed at least 20 people, including the police chief of the country's capital. The blast also wounded 42 people. Mullah Abdul, a top cleric for southern Afghanistan and supporter of the government of President Hamid Karzai, was assassinated Sunday.Spread the love! So, what kind of no-good are those evil Americans up to?Rebuilding Iraq a big, slow job Under constant threat of sabotage, up to 200 U.S. companies are hard at work patching a nation together Contractors work under the constant threat of attack by insurgents, who have killed more than 300 Western workers to date. The 41,450 Iraqis employed on reconstruction projects have also become targets, although no one tracks the number killed. Billed as the largest such effort since the Marshall Plan, Iraq's $18.4 billion reconstruction continues in slow steps, taken under armed guard. The insurgency hasn't been able to stop it. The total amount of taxpayers' money committed to those companies in 2004 topped $9.6 billion. In other words, more than half of the $18.4 billion Congress appropriated for reconstruction has already been earmarked for specific projects.Damn those evil Americans for risking their lives to try and make Iraq a better place, with clean water, electricty, schools and hospitals. Damn them all! Oh well.... A better place with clean water etc etc.... LMFAO JohnRich! Bwhahahaha.... That's exactly what the Iraqi were asking for, right? That's why they invited the US to invade them, right? What a BS post dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #75 June 1, 2005 I grow weary of your bait-and-switch games. I think everyone can see what you're up to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Gravitymaster 0 #54 May 27, 2005 It's also hard to determine the number of civilians killed because they were being used as human shields by the terrorists. This has been happening with greater and greater frequency because it gives a false count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #55 May 27, 2005 May 27th: What are the peace-loving muslims doing today?A bomb blast at a Muslim shrine in Pakistan's capital Islamabad has killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. An official at an Islamabad hospital said Friday at least 40 wounded had been treated. Several hundred people were inside the Bare Iman shrine when the blast struck... Violence claimed at least 15 lives Thursday in Baghdad including a car bomb that exploded near a police patrol, killing five people and wounding 17. Insurgents have killed more than 620 people since the new government was announced on April 28. Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! And what are the evil Americans doing for peace? International donors pledged an additional $200 million Thursday to fund the African Union peacekeeping operation in Sudan's western Darfur region. The U.S. State Department's senior representative on Sudan, Charles Snyder, said Washington was adding an additional $50 million to the $95 million already pledged to end what he called "acts of genocide" in the ongoing conflict.The U.S. should just butt out of other people's business! If the Arabs want to commit genocide in the Sudan, that's none of our business! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #56 May 27, 2005 QuoteMay 27th: What are the peace-loving muslims doing today?A bomb blast at a Muslim shrine in Pakistan's capital Islamabad has killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. An official at an Islamabad hospital said Friday at least 40 wounded had been treated. Several hundred people were inside the Bare Iman shrine when the blast struck... Violence claimed at least 15 lives Thursday in Baghdad including a car bomb that exploded near a police patrol, killing five people and wounding 17. Insurgents have killed more than 620 people since the new government was announced on April 28. Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! And what are the evil Americans doing for peace? International donors pledged an additional $200 million Thursday to fund the African Union peacekeeping operation in Sudan's western Darfur region. The U.S. State Department's senior representative on Sudan, Charles Snyder, said Washington was adding an additional $50 million to the $95 million already pledged to end what he called "acts of genocide" in the ongoing conflict.The U.S. should just butt out of other people's business! If the Arabs want to commit genocide in the Sudan, that's none of our business! Don't forget Bush just committed $50 million to building homes for the Palistinians. The reaction from this gesture was "it's a modest down payment". Where are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? Oh, I remember, they have to blow themselves up and kill Americans and Jews before they get any assistance from their Arab Brothers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #57 May 27, 2005 QuoteWhere are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? They seem to be more interested in killing each other, than in helping each other out. It makes me wonder just what they heck they're actually doing with all that oil money... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #58 May 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhere are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? They seem to be more interested in killing each other, than in helping each other out. It makes me wonder just what they heck they're actually doing with all that oil money... Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #59 May 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere are their Arab Brothers? Why aren't they helping them out? They seem to be more interested in killing each other, than in helping each other out. It makes me wonder just what they heck they're actually doing with all that oil money... Must be nice to have such a simplistic view of the world... Must be nice to have such simplistic answers. Why don't you try and answer the question? I'll listen to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #60 May 28, 2005 QuoteMay 27th: What are the peace-loving muslims doing today?A bomb blast at a Muslim shrine in Pakistan's capital Islamabad has killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. An official at an Islamabad hospital said Friday at least 40 wounded had been treated. Several hundred people were inside the Bare Iman shrine when the blast struck... Violence claimed at least 15 lives Thursday in Baghdad including a car bomb that exploded near a police patrol, killing five people and wounding 17. Insurgents have killed more than 620 people since the new government was announced on April 28. Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! __________________________________________________ John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 334 #61 May 31, 2005 Quote John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=64479&d=28&m=5&y=2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alias 0 #62 May 31, 2005 Agreed - Went looking for more info on this - and found the same stuff. No way to tell for sure. It's a draw Guy across the street is "DOD Security" (xSF) or current SF/CIA for all I know. In between Afghanistan and Iraq - 2 weeks there, then back here then two weeks there - Although I see him loading TAC bags in his truck, he is very vauge about what he does. But when discussing Afghanistan, he is full of passion about our role there - when Iraq comes up, he rolls his eyes and refuses to elaborate. I think he feels misled also, but that's just my take. He does remind me that we have some bad ass Americans out there - doing all sorts of things - who knows what Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eaglenrider 0 #63 May 31, 2005 QuoteQuote John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=64479&d=28&m=5&y=2005 __________________________________________________ To quote the article you provided "No one claimed responsibility for the bombing, and Ahmed said police were trying to identify the attacker." So once again can you provide any evidence that "peace-loving Muslims" are reponsible for any of these incidents? Blues, Cliffi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #64 May 31, 2005 May 31st: What have the Muslim extremists been doing for peace over the weekend?According to a senior U.S. military intelligence official in Baghdad, more than 140 car bombings occurred in May. He also said there were nearly 60 suicide bombings in May... Three people were killed Sunday and 12 were wounded after insurgents driving two cars opened fire on an Iraqi police patrol... Near the Iraqi Oil Ministry compound, a suicide car bomb killed two people and wounded six others... A suicide car bomber targeted a convoy of Iraqi Interior Ministry commandos Sunday, killing two people, including a commando and a civilian, Iraqi police said. The attack wounded eight people, including four commandos and four civilians... The bodies of an Iraqi police officer and a translator were found shot to death on a street... A car bomb parked near an Iraqi school killed two Iraqi civilians and wounded 16 others Sunday morning... In the northern city of Mosul, a bomb killed eight Iraqi civilians Sunday morning, including children, Another two people were wounded in a second attack in Mosul...What has America been doing for peace in Iraq? Spending on reconstruction projects in Iraq has reached more than $5.5 billion. Thus far, of the 3,200 total planned projects countrywide, 2,389 have started, 1,215 are ongoing, and 1,174 have been completed in the sectors of Buildings, Health, and Education; Oil, Security and Justice; Electricity; Transportation and Communications; and Public Works and Water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alias 0 #65 May 31, 2005 QuoteWhat has America been doing for peace in Iraq? Spending on reconstruction projects in Iraq has reached more than $5.5 billion. Thus far, of the 3,200 total planned projects countrywide, 2,389 have started, 1,215 are ongoing, and 1,174 have been completed in the sectors of Buildings, Health, and Education; Oil, Security and Justice; Electricity; Transportation and Communications; and Public Works and Water. The price is getting high for the return imho Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #66 May 31, 2005 QuoteThe price is getting high for the return imho Only long-term history can properly make that determination. Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #67 May 31, 2005 >Only long-term history can properly make that determination. >Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. By those standards, looks like the Japanese made the right decision in 1941. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Alias 0 #68 June 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe price is getting high for the return imho Only long-term history can properly make that determination. Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. I guess your right. We recognized a major reliance on oil 25 years ago, and did almost nothing to change. Here we go again. Maybe in 50 years we'll have learned to use a renewable energy source or simply control oil reserves abroad.. ..or were we talking about all this for another democracy in the Middle East? Because if you separate oil and stabilizing the dollar from the conclusion...too me, the price is getting high for the return imho Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #69 June 1, 2005 Quote>Only long-term history can properly make that determination. >Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. By those standards, looks like the Japanese made the right decision in 1941. Incorrect. Just because Japan is now prosperous, does not mean that their invasions of other countries was the correct course of action. History has already condemned the Japanese for their aggression and numerous atrocities. Japan's current high standard of living is due to those evil Americans who installed a democratic government and helped them get back on their feet after their defeat. Just like we're now doing in Iraq. So, 50 years from now, Iraq might be the prosperous and free shining star of the Middle East, just as Japan prospered from our post-war influence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #70 June 1, 2005 > Just because Japan is now prosperous, does not mean that their > invasions of other countries was the correct course of action. WHAT???? The ends do not justify the means? Sometimes killing is just wrong, even if there are good results later? You better get on the horn and stop telling all those conservatives to stop saying stupid things like "but the Iraqis have better schools now!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #71 June 1, 2005 June 1st: What are the peaceful Muslims doing today? A suicide bombing wounded 15 people in Iraq on Wednesday, the second attack on the main American military complex in Baghdad in 24 hours. A mortar strike on the complex Tuesday night injured 11 people. Many civilians line up at the checkpoint to go to work inside the complex. A mortar struck a house killing four people, including three children. Also killed was a 20-year-old man. A child also was wounded in the attack. Police believe the mortar was targeting a nearby Iraqi military base. Insurgents also carried out attacks in two sections of Baghdad on Wednesday, wounding six Iraqi security forces and a civilian, police told CNN.. A reporter was shot dead Tuesday morning as he was leaving his house. Jirjees Sultan was a TV reporter for al-Iraqia TV. A suicide bombing inside a mosque in southern Afghanistan during the funeral of a top Muslim cleric has killed at least 20 people, including the police chief of the country's capital. The blast also wounded 42 people. Mullah Abdul, a top cleric for southern Afghanistan and supporter of the government of President Hamid Karzai, was assassinated Sunday.Spread the love! So, what kind of no-good are those evil Americans up to?Rebuilding Iraq a big, slow job Under constant threat of sabotage, up to 200 U.S. companies are hard at work patching a nation together Contractors work under the constant threat of attack by insurgents, who have killed more than 300 Western workers to date. The 41,450 Iraqis employed on reconstruction projects have also become targets, although no one tracks the number killed. Billed as the largest such effort since the Marshall Plan, Iraq's $18.4 billion reconstruction continues in slow steps, taken under armed guard. The insurgency hasn't been able to stop it. The total amount of taxpayers' money committed to those companies in 2004 topped $9.6 billion. In other words, more than half of the $18.4 billion Congress appropriated for reconstruction has already been earmarked for specific projects.Damn those evil Americans for risking their lives to try and make Iraq a better place, with clean water, electricty, schools and hospitals. Damn them all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #72 June 1, 2005 QuoteWHAT???? The ends do not justify the means? Sometimes killing is just wrong, even if there are good results later? The two things are independent. The latter is just a by-product of the former, but is not the reason nor motive for it. I know you're smart enough to know this. Your attempts to throw barbs at America's Iraqii reconstruction are weak and ineffective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #73 June 1, 2005 >The two things are independent. The latter is just a by-product of >the former, but is not the reason nor motive for it. So the claims of "we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqis" are just outright lies? John, you better not post stuff like this or they will take away your GOP VIP card! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #74 June 1, 2005 QuoteJune 1st: What are the peaceful Muslims doing today? A suicide bombing wounded 15 people in Iraq on Wednesday, the second attack on the main American military complex in Baghdad in 24 hours. A mortar strike on the complex Tuesday night injured 11 people. Many civilians line up at the checkpoint to go to work inside the complex. A mortar struck a house killing four people, including three children. Also killed was a 20-year-old man. A child also was wounded in the attack. Police believe the mortar was targeting a nearby Iraqi military base. Insurgents also carried out attacks in two sections of Baghdad on Wednesday, wounding six Iraqi security forces and a civilian, police told CNN.. A reporter was shot dead Tuesday morning as he was leaving his house. Jirjees Sultan was a TV reporter for al-Iraqia TV. A suicide bombing inside a mosque in southern Afghanistan during the funeral of a top Muslim cleric has killed at least 20 people, including the police chief of the country's capital. The blast also wounded 42 people. Mullah Abdul, a top cleric for southern Afghanistan and supporter of the government of President Hamid Karzai, was assassinated Sunday.Spread the love! So, what kind of no-good are those evil Americans up to?Rebuilding Iraq a big, slow job Under constant threat of sabotage, up to 200 U.S. companies are hard at work patching a nation together Contractors work under the constant threat of attack by insurgents, who have killed more than 300 Western workers to date. The 41,450 Iraqis employed on reconstruction projects have also become targets, although no one tracks the number killed. Billed as the largest such effort since the Marshall Plan, Iraq's $18.4 billion reconstruction continues in slow steps, taken under armed guard. The insurgency hasn't been able to stop it. The total amount of taxpayers' money committed to those companies in 2004 topped $9.6 billion. In other words, more than half of the $18.4 billion Congress appropriated for reconstruction has already been earmarked for specific projects.Damn those evil Americans for risking their lives to try and make Iraq a better place, with clean water, electricty, schools and hospitals. Damn them all! Oh well.... A better place with clean water etc etc.... LMFAO JohnRich! Bwhahahaha.... That's exactly what the Iraqi were asking for, right? That's why they invited the US to invade them, right? What a BS post dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #75 June 1, 2005 I grow weary of your bait-and-switch games. I think everyone can see what you're up to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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headoverheels 334 #61 May 31, 2005 Quote John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=64479&d=28&m=5&y=2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #62 May 31, 2005 Agreed - Went looking for more info on this - and found the same stuff. No way to tell for sure. It's a draw Guy across the street is "DOD Security" (xSF) or current SF/CIA for all I know. In between Afghanistan and Iraq - 2 weeks there, then back here then two weeks there - Although I see him loading TAC bags in his truck, he is very vauge about what he does. But when discussing Afghanistan, he is full of passion about our role there - when Iraq comes up, he rolls his eyes and refuses to elaborate. I think he feels misled also, but that's just my take. He does remind me that we have some bad ass Americans out there - doing all sorts of things - who knows what Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eaglenrider 0 #63 May 31, 2005 QuoteQuote John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=64479&d=28&m=5&y=2005 __________________________________________________ To quote the article you provided "No one claimed responsibility for the bombing, and Ahmed said police were trying to identify the attacker." So once again can you provide any evidence that "peace-loving Muslims" are reponsible for any of these incidents? Blues, Cliffi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #64 May 31, 2005 May 31st: What have the Muslim extremists been doing for peace over the weekend?According to a senior U.S. military intelligence official in Baghdad, more than 140 car bombings occurred in May. He also said there were nearly 60 suicide bombings in May... Three people were killed Sunday and 12 were wounded after insurgents driving two cars opened fire on an Iraqi police patrol... Near the Iraqi Oil Ministry compound, a suicide car bomb killed two people and wounded six others... A suicide car bomber targeted a convoy of Iraqi Interior Ministry commandos Sunday, killing two people, including a commando and a civilian, Iraqi police said. The attack wounded eight people, including four commandos and four civilians... The bodies of an Iraqi police officer and a translator were found shot to death on a street... A car bomb parked near an Iraqi school killed two Iraqi civilians and wounded 16 others Sunday morning... In the northern city of Mosul, a bomb killed eight Iraqi civilians Sunday morning, including children, Another two people were wounded in a second attack in Mosul...What has America been doing for peace in Iraq? Spending on reconstruction projects in Iraq has reached more than $5.5 billion. Thus far, of the 3,200 total planned projects countrywide, 2,389 have started, 1,215 are ongoing, and 1,174 have been completed in the sectors of Buildings, Health, and Education; Oil, Security and Justice; Electricity; Transportation and Communications; and Public Works and Water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #65 May 31, 2005 QuoteWhat has America been doing for peace in Iraq? Spending on reconstruction projects in Iraq has reached more than $5.5 billion. Thus far, of the 3,200 total planned projects countrywide, 2,389 have started, 1,215 are ongoing, and 1,174 have been completed in the sectors of Buildings, Health, and Education; Oil, Security and Justice; Electricity; Transportation and Communications; and Public Works and Water. The price is getting high for the return imho Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #66 May 31, 2005 QuoteThe price is getting high for the return imho Only long-term history can properly make that determination. Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #67 May 31, 2005 >Only long-term history can properly make that determination. >Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. By those standards, looks like the Japanese made the right decision in 1941. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #68 June 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe price is getting high for the return imho Only long-term history can properly make that determination. Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. I guess your right. We recognized a major reliance on oil 25 years ago, and did almost nothing to change. Here we go again. Maybe in 50 years we'll have learned to use a renewable energy source or simply control oil reserves abroad.. ..or were we talking about all this for another democracy in the Middle East? Because if you separate oil and stabilizing the dollar from the conclusion...too me, the price is getting high for the return imho Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #69 June 1, 2005 Quote>Only long-term history can properly make that determination. >Check back in 50 years and let's see where things stand. By those standards, looks like the Japanese made the right decision in 1941. Incorrect. Just because Japan is now prosperous, does not mean that their invasions of other countries was the correct course of action. History has already condemned the Japanese for their aggression and numerous atrocities. Japan's current high standard of living is due to those evil Americans who installed a democratic government and helped them get back on their feet after their defeat. Just like we're now doing in Iraq. So, 50 years from now, Iraq might be the prosperous and free shining star of the Middle East, just as Japan prospered from our post-war influence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #70 June 1, 2005 > Just because Japan is now prosperous, does not mean that their > invasions of other countries was the correct course of action. WHAT???? The ends do not justify the means? Sometimes killing is just wrong, even if there are good results later? You better get on the horn and stop telling all those conservatives to stop saying stupid things like "but the Iraqis have better schools now!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #71 June 1, 2005 June 1st: What are the peaceful Muslims doing today? A suicide bombing wounded 15 people in Iraq on Wednesday, the second attack on the main American military complex in Baghdad in 24 hours. A mortar strike on the complex Tuesday night injured 11 people. Many civilians line up at the checkpoint to go to work inside the complex. A mortar struck a house killing four people, including three children. Also killed was a 20-year-old man. A child also was wounded in the attack. Police believe the mortar was targeting a nearby Iraqi military base. Insurgents also carried out attacks in two sections of Baghdad on Wednesday, wounding six Iraqi security forces and a civilian, police told CNN.. A reporter was shot dead Tuesday morning as he was leaving his house. Jirjees Sultan was a TV reporter for al-Iraqia TV. A suicide bombing inside a mosque in southern Afghanistan during the funeral of a top Muslim cleric has killed at least 20 people, including the police chief of the country's capital. The blast also wounded 42 people. Mullah Abdul, a top cleric for southern Afghanistan and supporter of the government of President Hamid Karzai, was assassinated Sunday.Spread the love! So, what kind of no-good are those evil Americans up to?Rebuilding Iraq a big, slow job Under constant threat of sabotage, up to 200 U.S. companies are hard at work patching a nation together Contractors work under the constant threat of attack by insurgents, who have killed more than 300 Western workers to date. The 41,450 Iraqis employed on reconstruction projects have also become targets, although no one tracks the number killed. Billed as the largest such effort since the Marshall Plan, Iraq's $18.4 billion reconstruction continues in slow steps, taken under armed guard. The insurgency hasn't been able to stop it. The total amount of taxpayers' money committed to those companies in 2004 topped $9.6 billion. In other words, more than half of the $18.4 billion Congress appropriated for reconstruction has already been earmarked for specific projects.Damn those evil Americans for risking their lives to try and make Iraq a better place, with clean water, electricty, schools and hospitals. Damn them all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #72 June 1, 2005 QuoteWHAT???? The ends do not justify the means? Sometimes killing is just wrong, even if there are good results later? The two things are independent. The latter is just a by-product of the former, but is not the reason nor motive for it. I know you're smart enough to know this. Your attempts to throw barbs at America's Iraqii reconstruction are weak and ineffective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #73 June 1, 2005 >The two things are independent. The latter is just a by-product of >the former, but is not the reason nor motive for it. So the claims of "we invaded Iraq to free the Iraqis" are just outright lies? John, you better not post stuff like this or they will take away your GOP VIP card! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #74 June 1, 2005 QuoteJune 1st: What are the peaceful Muslims doing today? A suicide bombing wounded 15 people in Iraq on Wednesday, the second attack on the main American military complex in Baghdad in 24 hours. A mortar strike on the complex Tuesday night injured 11 people. Many civilians line up at the checkpoint to go to work inside the complex. A mortar struck a house killing four people, including three children. Also killed was a 20-year-old man. A child also was wounded in the attack. Police believe the mortar was targeting a nearby Iraqi military base. Insurgents also carried out attacks in two sections of Baghdad on Wednesday, wounding six Iraqi security forces and a civilian, police told CNN.. A reporter was shot dead Tuesday morning as he was leaving his house. Jirjees Sultan was a TV reporter for al-Iraqia TV. A suicide bombing inside a mosque in southern Afghanistan during the funeral of a top Muslim cleric has killed at least 20 people, including the police chief of the country's capital. The blast also wounded 42 people. Mullah Abdul, a top cleric for southern Afghanistan and supporter of the government of President Hamid Karzai, was assassinated Sunday.Spread the love! So, what kind of no-good are those evil Americans up to?Rebuilding Iraq a big, slow job Under constant threat of sabotage, up to 200 U.S. companies are hard at work patching a nation together Contractors work under the constant threat of attack by insurgents, who have killed more than 300 Western workers to date. The 41,450 Iraqis employed on reconstruction projects have also become targets, although no one tracks the number killed. Billed as the largest such effort since the Marshall Plan, Iraq's $18.4 billion reconstruction continues in slow steps, taken under armed guard. The insurgency hasn't been able to stop it. The total amount of taxpayers' money committed to those companies in 2004 topped $9.6 billion. In other words, more than half of the $18.4 billion Congress appropriated for reconstruction has already been earmarked for specific projects.Damn those evil Americans for risking their lives to try and make Iraq a better place, with clean water, electricty, schools and hospitals. Damn them all! Oh well.... A better place with clean water etc etc.... LMFAO JohnRich! Bwhahahaha.... That's exactly what the Iraqi were asking for, right? That's why they invited the US to invade them, right? What a BS post dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #75 June 1, 2005 I grow weary of your bait-and-switch games. I think everyone can see what you're up to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
