Could Zarqawi be wounded??

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... Id let him die slow, with lots of pain, just as he is about to die from pain and fear, id nurse him back to health and repeat.

Kill him...fine. Arrest him and have a trial...o.k. whatever floats your boat, but what you said is a little out there, in fact, kind of disturbing. Don't get me wrong, I think he should die, however, just because he MAY have done the things for which he is accused doesn't mean it's humane to to it to him.

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

I dont care what happens to him, dont care if it is out there, Im glad you were distrubed, better then the reactions Im used to on here. I offered other things first they didnt like that so in the words of Blue Coller Comedian "White" , give him to BUBBA ......

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[lisamariewillbe 1]

How easy it is for people to forget... heres some links to help you remember what this asshole is as well as a paragraph descibing some of this mans crimes...


"Nicholas Berg screamed. He screamed when he saw the sword brandished in the hands of one of his captors. He screamed when he was pushed down on the ground and his held pulled back, ready for the slaughter.
Nicholas Berg could not scream when the sword went through his neck. Within seconds, Nicholas Berg's head was cut off from the rest of his body. His severed head was then held by his captor, reportedly Abu Musab Zarqawi.
Gruesome. Disgusting. Merciless. Barbaric. Inhuman. The list of words to describe the video of independent contractor Nicholas Berg's execution can go on and on. When his family were told of the video, they collapsed on their front lawn."


http://multigraphic.dk/lounge/weblog/images/uploads/iraq.184.1.650.jpg

http://i.timeinc.net/time/daily/2004/0412/376_zarqawi1218.jpg

http://www.terrorisme.net/up/124_zarqawi_hostages.jpg

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/094npvzg.asp?pg=1

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

[BillyVance 35]

I saw the video of Berg's decapitation. I can safely say that I had never seen anything so barbaric before and it actually made me sick to my stomach. No I didn't throw up, but that sickening feeling just took over me... It was at that moment that I knew Al Zarqawi needed to be taken down, at all costs. I don't care how we do it. Bomb his hiding place with F-18's, send the US Marines in, whatever. He needs to be dead. Now. With pictures of his dead corpse plastered on TV and newspapers like Saddam Hussein's two sons were after they were killed in the raid a couple years ago.

Even then, that won't stop the insurgency. It'll take a year, maybe two, maybe more, to stomp out the insurgency. Who knows, we may never see that day.

Some people forget that when WWII ended in Europe and Germany was officially defeated, there was a Nazi-sympathizer insurgency that persisted for 2 or 3 years, with bombings and shootings much like you're seeing now in Iraq.

War is hell. Guerrilla insurgency warfare is even worse. It's never easy. Hopefully, we will prevail. It will take time... I just hope we and the rest of the world have the patience to see it through.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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do you have any incontravertable evidence that this Zarqawi is guilty of any crime?

Will unsolicited confessions / claims of responsibility for bombings, assassinations, and other violence do?

To use the word innocent in any way to describe Zarqawi is ridiculous.

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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[lisamariewillbe 1]

I to saw that video, nothing in my life prepared me for it. It changed my way of thinking in life, I will not feel bad when they are taken down,

Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this

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Will unsolicited confessions / claims of responsibility for bombings, assassinations, and other violence do?

As a petty criminal, Zarqawi spent much of his life in prison prior to emerging as a "top" terrorist.

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cause hes a ass wipe, thats the kinda population I want controled.

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Let's see here,
so you don't really have any factual evidence that this Zarqawi is even in Iraq, has ever been in Iraq, has ever commited any crime

I understand feeling as if the US "creates" propaganda to further support for activities in Iraq, but when the Jordanians and the French, among others, pin point him as the cause of many activities related to what the US says, you have to at least lend some credence to the statements....if not any other reason then it was not from the US.

Face it guys, as much as I would like to argue this, there just isn't any hard evidence that Zarqawi is what he is other then what I stated above. Speculation at this point.

Claims and rumors do not hard evidence make -

But we will get him none the less! Eventually.

Carpe Diem

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There seems to be confusion about this. It isn't a law enforcement issue.

mh

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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From the Strategy Page:

May 25, 2005; While thousands of Iraqi police and troops round up hundreds of terrorist suspects in Baghdad, American troops have begun another sweep west of Baghdad, where al Qaeda has established bases since they were driven out of Fallujah late last year. Moreover, rumors that al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi had been wounded in action about a month ago, were given some confirmation when a pro-al Qaeda web site stated that al Zarqawi had been wounded and should be prayed for. If this is true, then the web site announcement appears to be an attempt to prepare al Qaeda supporters for al Zarqawi's death (which may have already taken place.) Because al Qaeda has invested so much in building up al Zarqawi's image and stature, his demise would be a major blow to the terrorist cause. Just admitting, on a known al Qaeda web site, that al Zarqawi was wounded, is bad PR. Al Qaeda lives and dies by its public image. In the last few months, that image has been taking a major beating throughout the Arab world.

mh

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Do you have any reason to believe that Osama was behind the 9-11 attacks?

Concretly? Nope.
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It was a loaded question , Frenchy.
You couldn't have any concrete evidence that Osama (the boogie man ) Bin Laden was behind the attacks because he wasn't.
The entire 9-11 incident was orchestrated by the USA government and the zionists in Israel with the help of the Pakistani ISI. Osama was busy with his kidney disease(which killed him Dec. 2001) at the time.
The invasion of Afghanistan had been planned shortly after the pipeline talks between the Taliban and the US broke down in Feb.2001.
Seems UNOCAL wanted a natural gas pipeline between the Caspian Sea,through Afgahnistan,to the gulf. If this was realized in the proper timetable ENRON might still be a viable company. But those pesky Taliban wouldn't accept the deal!!!!
Problem was how to convince middle America of the need to war against a backwoods nothing country like Afgahnistan.
The new Pearl Harbor was the answer .

Do some research my freind. You might still want to "put a boot in their ass" ala Toby Kieth, the difference will be the targeted ass.

Update: The pipeline is now open and functional!
Pat Tillman is still dead!!
BAKU (AFX) - The planned launch this Wednesday of the 4 bln usd Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, a major US-backed global energy initiative, has been clouded by a recent violent crackdown on the opposition in Azerbaijan.

British oil giant BP holds a 30 pct stake in the consortium running the pipeline. Other consortium members include Azerbaijan's state oil company SOCAR, Amerada Hess, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Inpex, Itochu, Statoil, TPAO and Unocal.

A huge 11-year-long undertaking, the pipeline will transform the Caucasus and Turkey into an energy bridge between the Caspian and the rest of the world when it is fully operational six months from now.

But much of the gleam of that accomplishment was worn away over the past week by Azerbaijan when police badly beat and arrested scores of people attending a peaceful rally on Saturday as part of a wider crackdown linked to the pipeline's opening.

Authorities refused to allow the rally, saying that it fell too close to the opening ceremony on Wednesday, which US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and a host of other foreign dignitaries were due to attend.

Police rounded up some 30 opposition members ahead of the protest in what the opposition alleged was an attempt to derail the rally and arrested another 45 during the rally itself as they doled out severe beatings to dozens of pro-democracy protestors.

David Woodward, chief executive of BP's Azerbaijan division, criticized the violence and voiced skepticism on the government's stated rationale for the crackdown.

"It's very unfortunate," Woodward told Agence France-Presse, referring to the weekend violence. "I find it rather surprising that they should feel the need to ban a small gathering like that essentially well before any of the VIPs arrive."

The crackdown was widely criticized by the West, with Norway's ambassador to Baku, Steinar Gil, saying some guests expected at the opening ceremony may find it embarrassing to take part while opposition activists remain in detention.

The 1,770 km-long pipeline, which will ship up to a million barrels of Caspian oil to the Mediterranean daily, was built with financial support from the US.

It was initiated in 1994 as part of Azerbaijan's so-called "deal of the century" -- a massive oil contract signed in the early 1990s to develop Caspian Sea oil.

The US hopes transporting oil from this region will reduce its dependence on fuel from the volatile Middle East. At the same time the project has loosened Moscow's grip here and bolstered US influence in the region.

For Azerbaijan, wracked by corruption and poverty, the project has been a useful political tool with officials lauding it as the answer to all of the country's financial problems.

But the crackdown on the opposition has highlighted concerns that the awaited benefits, an estimated 40-60 bln usd in oil revenues in the next 30 years, will not trickle down to the general population in an atmosphere of general unaccountability.

SOCAR, which holds a 25 pct stake in the BP-led pipeline consortium, refused to comment on concerns that a high level of opacity in the company could hamper public accountability to the project.

"There is little transparency in the oil industry and a lot of corruption in society, and that's a very bad combination," said Ingilab Ahmedov of Baku's Public Finance Monitoring Center.

According to BP's Woodward, the government is trying to deal with the issue. But he said "the old guard," or officials who have remained in power since the death in 2003 of the president, Heydar Aliyev, "don't want to see reforms progress... and wish to pursue their own personal interests."

Internationally, too, critics have said that the West and especially the US have been too soft on Azerbaijan in their quest to secure oil supplies.

"There is a huge reluctance to make a stink of what's inexcusable and most of that is to do with wanting to maintain the security of supply," said Simon Taylor, a director at Global Witness, the London-based watchdog focused on corruption in resource-rich states.






PS: Who's Osama?

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looks about for aluminum foil helmet

Might ought to look around for a firearm ,my freind.

Since 9-11 the "Federal Government" has succesfully passed legislation which grants them powers in violation of your rights.
They have propagandized the citizenry to believe that the trade off of Rights for security is a must.

I say only a fool or a coward would ever barter away his Natural Rights for the "promise "of security.

Taken off your shoes at an airport lately?

Blues
Cliff

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<> (SIGH!!) Dang it, Dale!!!<>

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Here is something I find interesting,Speed Racer, and everyone can chime in about how it doesn't prove anything.
As a demo organizer I often had to go down to the localFSDO to file forms 7711-2.
On September 10, '01 I was at FSDO Atlanta and taken aback at the changes in security there.
The SOP previous to that date was "OK,go ahead". On that date I was adxvised that I couldn't pass the perimeter security without a confirmed and recorded appointment.
No government foreknowledge?
You be the judge.

Blues,
Cliff

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Yep. Just like all the Jewish people who worked in the World Trade Center called in sick on 9/11. They were all in on it because it was all a big Zionist conspiracy.

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Yep. Just like all the Jewish people who worked in the World Trade Center called in sick on 9/11. They were all in on it because it was all a big Zionist conspiracy.

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I can't speak to that as I have no knowledge of that being fact.
I can say that it has been widely reported that personnel of the instant messaging company Odigo, which is Israeli owned ,and more specificaly personnel in that company's offices which were within blocks of the WTC, did recieve advance warning (2 hours prior) of the attacks.

Blues,
Cliff

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looks about for aluminum foil helmet

If the US government had a spotless record of respecting the rights of its citizens, then your comment might be pertinent.

Unfortunately the US government has a rather poor record of respecting the rights of its citizens. The list of proven abuses is long and gets longer every year.

I think suspicion of the government is quite in order.

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The entire 9-11 incident was orchestrated by the USA government and the zionists in Israel with the help of the Pakistani ISI.

You really need to back that up with some reputable sources.

Ciels-
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While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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The entire 9-11 incident was orchestrated by the USA government and the zionists in Israel with the help of the Pakistani ISI.

You really need to back that up with some reputable sources.
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The list of sources is long and varied.
To begin your education I suggest you view David Ray Griffins lecture which is widely available on the internet.

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[dorbie 0]

More details on his rumored injuries and possible movements;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050528/wl_nm/iraq_zarqawi_dc