PhreeZone 20 #1 May 21, 2005 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7917696/ Somehow I don't see the publishing of those photos as a way to easy tensions in Iraq. What the hell was the photographer thinking when they were being taken? Don't prisioners have the right to at least a little privacy and self dignity as to not having their picture taken while in their underwear and have it ran on the front page of the newspapers? I can see this slightly pissing off the Arab population in Iraq. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #2 May 21, 2005 QuoteWhat the hell was the photographer thinking when they were being taken? many people don't participate in the activity of thinking eric. you know this!! "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #3 May 23, 2005 It is a violation of the Third Geneva Convention. Saddam is a formal POW and is entitled to the protections of the Convention, including not being made an object of public curiosity. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #4 May 23, 2005 Like I said here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1654602#1654602 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 May 23, 2005 An ugly can of worms has been opened. Brings up many, questions. Either; 1) Photos where taken as part of strat to demoralize the man by OUR government. In which case it's a violation. 2) Photos where taken covertly by guards without direction by our government and then sold to tabloid. In which case we have a trust and security issue with our own guards. 3) Photos where taken covertly by 3rd party not associated with our government at all. In which case we have a HUGE security issue. No matter how you look at this, somebody screwed up badly. What I -don't- understand is why Rupert's Empire hasn't been called on the carpet. If Newsweek has to mea culpa for running some words, then why hasn't Rupert's Empire been called on the carpet?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #6 May 23, 2005 The photos are real and are self evident (one hopes), and of course nobody is off on a murdering rampage in Pakistan and Afghanistan, yet. I'm not sure that anyone really gives a shit about Saddam being humilliated, it's the least the butcher deserves. His lawyer has a nerve. The more pathetic Saddam looks to the world the more inclined they are to forget the decades of attrocities. Those photos are the best publicity he's had. Heck maybe his lawyer took them. Did you read the infantile screed from the broker? Sounds suspicious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #7 May 23, 2005 >What the hell was the photographer thinking when they were being taken? $$$ >Don't prisioners have the right to at least a little privacy and self dignity >as to not having their picture taken while in their underwear and have >it ran on the front page of the newspapers? Yes, but given what other prisoners of ours have gone through, I can't see much of a stink being made over a few pictures of a guy in his underwear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 May 23, 2005 QuoteI can see this slightly pissing off the Arab population in Iraq. Oh I don't know, they're too busy blowing each other up with car bombs, to pay much attention to an old man in his underwear. What's interesting to me is how the news media can pay so much attention to the underwear as if that is some huge atrocity, when the real atrocity is the daily massacres being committed by terrorists against their own people in Iraq... I guess underwear are more important to the news media than the death and injury of hundreds of innocent Iraqii men, women and children. Some of the things that I noticed about that photo is that Sadam looks healthy and fit, and has fresh laundry. I wonder how that compares to treatment of Christian prisoners in Muslim prisons? Oh yeah, they don't bother with keeping prisoners. They just execute them, behead them, and dump the bodies in the river... Torture Worldwide Excerpts: EGYPT: Authorities in Egypt use torture on a wide scale... INDONESIA: Indonesian security forces in the province of Aceh have systematically tortured detainees... IRAN: Torture and ill-treatment in detention, including indefinite solitary confinement, are routinely used to punish dissidents in Iran... IRAQ: Iraqi authorities, in particular the Ministry of Interior, practiced torture and ill-treatment of detainees, denial of access by families and lawyers to detainees, improper treatment of detained children, and abysmal conditions in pre-trial detention facilities. Persons tortured or mistreated have inadequate access to health care and no realistic avenue for legal redress. MALAYSIA: Malaysia has rounded up numerous detainees under its Internal Security Act (ISA)... detainees held under the ISA reported that they had been mistreated, subjected to sexual humiliation, and slapped and kicked. MOROCCO: Recent credible reports of torture and mistreatment of suspects... NIGERIA: Torture and ill-treatment of criminal suspects in police custody is systematic and routine... NORTH KOREA: In North Korea, which suffers one of the world’s most repressive governments, prisoners are routinely subjected to forced labor, torture and other mistreatment... PAKISTAN: Torture is routinely used in Pakistan by civilian law enforcement agencies, military personnel, and intelligence agencies. While acts of torture by the police are generally aimed at producing confessions during the course of criminal investigations, torture by military agencies primarily serves to frighten a victim into changing his political stance... RUSSIA: Russia’s federal forces have detained and “disappeared” thousands of Chechens whom they suspect of involvement with rebel forces and tortured them in custody to obtain confessions and information... SYRIA: Syria has a long-established record of torture... TURKEY; Torture remains common in Turkey today... And yet what everyone seems to worry about most is a photo of a man wearing clean underwear! Those damn evil Americans! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 May 23, 2005 QuoteIf Newsweek has to mea culpa for running some words, then why hasn't Rupert's Empire been called on the carpet? 1 - Newsweek's half assed attempt is hardly a 'mea-culpa', but it's more than I'd ever expect. 2 - I'm not sure what "Rupert's Empire" means, but those British tabloids certainly should be held accountable for inflaming the situation as much as Newsweek should. Also whoever, took and sold the pics in the first place. Also all the news agencies that keep showing the tabloid's cover of the exact same picture. Either way, the media in general keeps getting bad press. It would funny and ironic if it didn't have such potential for unreasoned violent response by unreasoning violent people. These rags are nearly as responsible for the responsive murders as the creeps that wield the knives. And equally responsible as the creeps that took the pictures or (alleged or actually) flushed any pages. Do they go to jail for accessory? No, but they do get a big bonus for increasing circulation. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 May 23, 2005 Rupert's Empire refers to both the tabloid in question and Fox News. Both are owned by Rupert Murdock, media a-hole extreme.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
