lisamariewillbe 1 #26 May 19, 2005 The seriousness of the sin of adultery can be seen in several ways. Under the law of Moses the penalty was death by stoning. (Deuteronomy 22:21 ff, John 8:4,5). Again, the only ground that God gave for divorcing one's mate was sexual immorality. He said, "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery. And whosoever marry her that is divorced, committeth adultery" Matthew 5:32. But the seriousness of adultery is seen most clearly in the eternal punishment of those who commit the sin. An impenitent adulterer cannot go to heaven. Ephesians 5:5 says: " "No whoremonger, no unclean person hath an inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God." And in Colossians 3:6, we are told that because fornication, uncleanness, and inordinate affection, the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. once again dont shoot the messengerSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #27 May 19, 2005 >Do you know the verse so I can look it up? Matthew 5:27-30. "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #28 May 19, 2005 What if I look at a man lustfully....who is not my wife. I keep saying I need a wife....lol linz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #29 May 19, 2005 QuoteMatthew 5:27-30. OK thanks, I kinda remember that....I remember the thought of pulling out an eye not being able to do much good. And the right hand part seems to be against solo sex. but lisamariewillbe gave me some I was totally unaware of."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #30 May 19, 2005 I wasnt aware I gave you some either...was I good? ha haSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #31 May 20, 2005 QuoteJesus said that if one "looks upon a woman in lust, he has committed adultery." Whew! I'm safe. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #32 May 20, 2005 I keep wondering when people are going to wake up to the threat that the religious conservatives pose to this country.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #33 May 20, 2005 QuoteYou are exactly right. The bible is not absolutely clear on masterbation and all that. In fact, it does not mention it. On the other hand, Jesus said that if one "looks upon a woman in lust, he has committed adultery." THe sin is not in the act of masterbation itself, but the lust which forwards the act. . The conservatives should remember that Jesus also said "Judge not, that ye be not judged."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #34 May 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou are exactly right. The bible is not absolutely clear on masterbation and all that. In fact, it does not mention it. On the other hand, Jesus said that if one "looks upon a woman in lust, he has committed adultery." THe sin is not in the act of masterbation itself, but the lust which forwards the act. . The conservatives should remember that Jesus also said "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Don't worry bout that. They may choose to ignore that but if they truly believe in JC, then we are ALL getting judged.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #35 May 20, 2005 If you go by the bible though yes we are being judge by God but Jesus died for our sins, no one is perfect but to save us God made the ultimate sacrifice. Everyone sins, and everyday. No sin is less or more then anyother sin in the Lords eyes. Its not about breaking the rules and then being screwed for all eternity, Its about taking ownership of ones mistakes and learning from them. Seeking redemption. Most people regardless of faith know when they are doing wrong, it is part of our nature to sometimes walk the line, generally where the heart is concerned. The bible can be a harsh read, however life is harsh. I try my best to not judge, but that is so easy to say and not easy to do. I myself have commited every sin but murder, and none of them were intentional, well except gluttoney, damn I love my food.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #36 May 20, 2005 Quote I myself have commited every sin but murder slacker"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #37 May 20, 2005 Im trying , jeesh , Im only 28 hmmm well almost 28 crap , I was born in 77...whats that make me? Anyways Ill let you know when I have succeeded at all.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #38 May 20, 2005 Ya know, maybe it's like adultery -- lusting in your heart is enough. Well, there are darn sure people I've dreamt about murdering Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #39 May 20, 2005 well if that is the case...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #40 May 20, 2005 QuoteThe conservatives should remember that Jesus also said "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Drive by poking again? Yup, only those dang conservatives. Good thing liberals' hands are clean of being judgemental in any way. It's a good bit of advice for everyone, particularly those that are very political in their thoughts. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #41 May 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe conservatives should remember that Jesus also said "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Drive by poking again? Yup, only those dang conservatives. Good thing liberals' hands are clean of being judgemental in any way. It's a good bit of advice for everyone, particularly those that are very political in their thoughts. Well, he was probably referencing the relgious right in the commentary I posted so it was not a total drive by. And yes, it is good for everyone. We could all be a little less judgmental. Will we actually do it? Probably not. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #42 May 20, 2005 your always so nice, I judge liberals all the time, I heard they want to ahhhh never mind Im gonna try not to get put into the cyber corner today and be good. lol we will see if it worksSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #43 May 20, 2005 Quote I myself have commited every sin but murder, and none of them were intentional, well except gluttoney, damn I love my food. Unintentional adultery?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #44 May 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe conservatives should remember that Jesus also said "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Drive by poking again? Yup, only those dang conservatives. Good thing liberals' hands are clean of being judgemental in any way. It's a good bit of advice for everyone, particularly those that are very political in their thoughts. I don't think poking is a sin, otherwise why would I be equipped with a poker ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #45 May 20, 2005 according to the bible a person divorced unless from adultry is considered mrried and anyone who is with that person is also commiting adultrySudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #46 May 20, 2005 You're funny, John. This was the weekend my team should have visited SDC instead of two weeks ago (we stayed home and jumped until it closed in and started snowing. Enjoy your good Saturday weather, we'll be having the crap all weekend that you guys won't see until Sunday. Nice "First Otter" weekend. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #47 May 20, 2005 Quoteaccording to the bible a person divorced unless from adultry is considered mrried and anyone who is with that person is also commiting adultry So you did it unintentionally?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #48 May 20, 2005 yep I slipped and fell in lust ... Ill get a spanking for it laterSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #49 May 20, 2005 QuoteYou're funny, John. This was the weekend my team should have visited SDC instead of two weeks ago (we stayed home and jumped until it closed in and started snowing. Enjoy your good Saturday weather, we'll be having the crap all weekend that you guys won't see until Sunday. Nice "First Otter" weekend. Well, IMO everyone on the Christian Right should be required to read the Sermon on the Mount, out loud, at least twice a week. Jesus was clearly a liberal. Sorry I missed you at SDC, musta had something better to do. Next time!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ticca 0 #50 May 20, 2005 OK, this is a bit off the subject of HPV, but is in a similar vien. I read this article from an old edition of New Scientist at work and was absolutely horrified, it turned me off my lunch. Found the article on the web, but only got half of it. If you want the other half, you need to subscribe ------------- Catholic church claims condoms do not stop HIV 11 October 2003 Michael Le Page Magazine issue 2416 THE Catholic church is spreading the claim that condoms have holes in them that allow HIV through. This information is discouraging people in developing countries from using condoms, greatly increasing their chances of contracting the virus. It is no secret that under Pope John Paul II the church has opposed any means of birth control other than the rhythm method. In developing countries the church often tries to use its influence to block both sex education and access to contraceptives. In Kenya, where around a third of people are Catholic and a fifth HIV-positive, it has publicly burned condoms. Now a team from the respected BBC television series Panorama has discovered that the church is going even further. While making a programme on the effects of the pope's policies, the team visited Kenya, Nicaragua and the Philippines. They repeatedly heard the line that condoms have holes in them that allow ... ---------- This is where the free article on-line ends, but the jist of what the church is telling people in Africa is that there are holes in the condoms that allow the HIV virus to pass through and be transmitted between partners. This goes against everything I know that I know about condoms, and indeed I couldn't find one single shred of evidence about "leaky condoms" on the AIDS australia website or on any other respected AIDS-related website. I agree condoms are not perfect, but when used in the correct manner they are very effective in stopping the spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies. Surely better than no protection at all. I agree with the church on one thing, not having sex at all will stop the spread of HIV/AIDS. But people are people and most are going to have sex, marriage nonwithstanding, wether the church or god likes it or not. Why not allow them to protect themselves? I believe that the spreading of this kind of crap, innacurrate, BULLSHIT information in a country when AIDS is the leading cause of death is just evil. Success is never final and failure never fatal. It's courage that counts. George F. Tiltonood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
