billvon 3,116 #26 May 19, 2005 >Bill, c'mon now. You really do not realize the physical strength >differences between the avg male and avg female? Physical strength, yes. But 'stronger' and 'weaker' mean far more than that, and physical strength counts for less and less in modern warfare. They're not swinging broadswords any more. I agree with you that a single set of physical strength standards should be used whenever physical strength is required. Women (and men) who pass them can then be used for those assignments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #27 May 19, 2005 I agree with you Rhino, On the other hand, men dying in combat and woman dying in combat is different, If a man sees a woman shot down he is more likely to risk his and or others life trying to save that woman, men generally have the instinct to protect us. However in combat sometimes it could hurt more then help. I dont know where I stand on this issue so I will just continue to do what I do, and thats sit on my booty wishing I were jumping, and thanking all military members male and female for keeping me free!!!Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #28 May 19, 2005 Quote>Bill, c'mon now. You really do not realize the physical strength >differences between the avg male and avg female? Physical strength, yes. But 'stronger' and 'weaker' mean far more than that, and physical strength counts for less and less in modern warfare. They're not swinging broadswords any more. I agree with you that a single set of physical strength standards should be used whenever physical strength is required. Women (and men) who pass them can then be used for those assignments. These two concepts represent a misunderstanding of the military mission and society, respectively. mh ,"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #29 May 19, 2005 Quote>Bill, c'mon now. You really do not realize the physical strength >differences between the avg male and avg female? Physical strength, yes. But 'stronger' and 'weaker' mean far more than that, and physical strength counts for less and less in modern warfare. They're not swinging broadswords any more. I agree with you that a single set of physical strength standards should be used whenever physical strength is required. Women (and men) who pass them can then be used for those assignments. We have common ground there at least. I still agree with the current frame work of no women in combat. Keeping in mind that it was only after Desert Storm that women were reconized by clinton for their achievements, thus allowing them to fly fighter aircraft and helo's - and I have no problem with that. There are valid reasons that women are excluded from training such as, lets say, Ranger School. And much of it depends on strength, and of course Rangers being a close combat unit, excluding women already side note - I hear the Brass is tinkering with the idea of opening up Benning to "support" units. Yeah right I do think that what Republican Committee members are try to do is not prudent keeping in mind that women are currently excluded from "combat units" anyway. I understand that Iraq has created an environment of "no front lines" which does change the concept. That proof is the 35 women killed since the beginning of this war that has now lasted longer the our involvement in WWII. I say keep it the way it is! Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #30 May 19, 2005 QuotePhysical strength, yes. But 'stronger' and 'weaker' mean far more than that, and physical strength counts for less and less in modern warfare. Strength matters very much especially when trying to carry a wounded person off the field. But like I said I know some women that can lift more than I can. That isn't the norm but possible. Again.. Just make the physical requirements exactly the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #31 May 19, 2005 >Again.. Just make the physical requirements exactly the same. I'd be all for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #32 May 19, 2005 QuotePrivate Jessica Lynch at her homecoming Private Jessica Lynch is one of the US' best-known soldiers I'm tired of hearing about PVT. Lynch. She's a fucking coward who gave up after being stupid and not doing what she was supposed to do. My camp was 8 miles from the town she was captured in. I could see the smoke stacks of the towns refinery from the front door of my tent. Does anyone remember the names of those that died next to her fighting as she threw down her weapon and gave up. How about those that saved her from the hospital she was being held captive in. QuoteRepublicans in the US Congress are trying to pass legislation which would keep female soldiers out of combat. I'm all for females in combat as long as they can do the job with the same standards as the men. I'm proud of the females I fought along side and even more of those that were wounded and continued on with the mission to see that is was completed. WHY, because they are soldiers and they were doing there job so others could do theirs. CSA #699 Muff #3804 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #33 May 19, 2005 QuoteWell said! I am a woman, a military spouse, and 7 year Army veteran, so I couldn't resist replying. Women sign the dotted line to protect their country just like every military man does. With that comes risks. Service members, regardless of sex, understand that risk. War has a new face, and is being fought in a protracted guerilla way and there is no front line. This proposal to remove women from these jobs is degrading. It does not safeguard women, though it is being propsed as such. I think the underlying implication is that women have made huge strides in the military in different jobs and rank. God forbid women threaten the male dominated force! That would only soften it right? I say we create a brigade of infantryWOMEN. I know many who would willingly do this, and probably kick ass. If women want TRUE equality, we have to be willing to have equal work, including the risks. I think many women are more than willing to do that. I am positive this is about military image. If a male soldier gets killed,..well that was his duty and it was an honor (loosely speaking from a military viewpoint). If a female soldier gets killed, then pretty pictures (not the standard military photgraph) are posted and everyone is upset by the children she left behind (or the like) and it should have never happened. What kind of message does this send our women fighters? Okay, enough of my tangeant. I made my point. If a woman signs the dotted line, she is willing to take every responsiblity and risk that comes with that. For government to try to "safeguard" her simply because she is a woman, is an insult to all women,...and all soldiers,....male or female. Damn well said!!!! jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #34 May 20, 2005 Quotefighting as she threw down her weapon I thought she was out of ammo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #35 May 20, 2005 QuoteI'm tired of hearing about PVT. Lynch. She's a fucking coward who gave up after being stupid and not doing what she was supposed to do. My camp was 8 miles from the town she was captured in. I could see the smoke stacks of the towns refinery from the front door of my tent. Does anyone remember the names of those that died next to her fighting as she threw down her weapon and gave up. How about those that saved her from the hospital she was being held captive in. Wow. What was she _supposed_ to do? She suffered very serious injuries in the crash and the report is she tried to fire her weapon (or a weapon) that jammed. Do you think she should have run out there and started going to work with a bayonette? No worries with a spinal injury, two broken legs, a broken ankle, a broken foot and a broken arm. Yeah, you're right, she's a coward. She went over there and came back a totally broken version of herself and handled all the media pressure with composure and grace, qualities you fail to possess even on dropzone.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #36 May 20, 2005 QuoteWow. What was she _supposed_ to do? She suffered very serious injuries in the crash and the report is she tried to fire her weapon (or a weapon) that jammed. Do you think she should have run out there and started going to work with a bayonette? No worries with a spinal injury, two broken legs, a broken ankle, a broken foot and a broken arm. Yeah, you're right, she's a coward. She went over there and came back a totally broken version of herself and handled all the media pressure with composure and grace, qualities you fail to possess even on dropzone.com. My sentiments exactly. I don't think she's the hero the press made her out to be and that's caused her to get a bad rap in some military circles. But coward? I don't think so. What happened was not her fault. She did the best she could under the circumstances and as far as I can tell maintained honor within the parameters of the soldier's code. Blues, NathanBlues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #37 May 20, 2005 my guess: it's time for women to return to the 3 c's - children, cooking, church The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #38 May 20, 2005 Lynch was used and abused for propaganda purposes. The faked up rescue that we all saw on TV was shameful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #39 May 20, 2005 We don't have people in here that have never served calling a decorated soldier a coward now do we? That is the true definition of a coward. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #40 May 20, 2005 um... no - they guy who called her a coward has a military e-mail address and the nickname "airborne". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #42 May 20, 2005 Wow what age are you living in? I am guessing you are single? Children cooking and church??? Maybe that is how woman started out but times have changed little man and it is no longer a requirement for a woman to be barefoot and pregnant. It is ignorance like that , that makes me sick.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #44 May 20, 2005 I dont know what that is, except a walmart smily face sticking a tongue outSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #45 May 20, 2005 well I took it to mean he was joking... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #46 May 20, 2005 I didnt I take a tongue out as a "neener neener neener" but hey thats just me, either way dont matter, I just have to have my daily bitch, Im female, Id explode otherwiseSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #47 May 20, 2005 QuoteWow what age are you living in? I am guessing you are single? Children cooking and church??? Maybe that is how woman started out but times have changed little man and it is no longer a requirement for a woman to be barefoot and pregnant. It is ignorance like that , that makes me sick. Why yes, I would like it if you made me an omelet right about now . Thank you No - I do NOT only hear what I want to hear. (Fuergnon was teasing) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #48 May 20, 2005 What do you want in your omelet? Your cute enough to get away with saying that but only way youd get the omelet is after we woke up ... ha haSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #49 May 20, 2005 QuoteWow what age are you living in? I am guessing you are single? Children cooking and church??? Maybe that is how woman started out but times have changed little man and it is no longer a requirement for a woman to be barefoot and pregnant. It is ignorance like that , that makes me sick. Yeah....but with only 4 jumps you're not entitled to an opinion....lol linz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #50 May 20, 2005 hey they were four very scarey jumps, very very scarey... as in they say DOOR and I almost pass out scarey... Hate the door, I didnt wanna give my opinion anyways **POUTING**Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
