America, home of free press...... not

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20050517/pl_nm/religion_koran_dc

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20050517/pl_nm/religion_koran_dc

Are you thinking that Newsweek was forced to retract a story that is actually true?

Personally, I think the U.S. government criticizing anyone for deception and/or acting in bad faith is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

If the story is actually false, though, the Newsweek story may have triggered deaths. In this case Newsweek deserves whatever shit that comes their way IMO.

Walt

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Nobody prevented Newsweek from running the story....they just got slammed for running a false story.

Try again.

Mike
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20050517/pl_nm/religion_koran_dc

Are you thinking that Newsweek was forced to retract a story that is actually true?

Personally, I think the U.S. government criticizing anyone for deception and/or acting in bad faith is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

If the story is actually false, though, the Newsweek story may have triggered deaths. In this case Newsweek deserves whatever shit that comes their way IMO.

Walt

Right, theives amongst theives. Although the media at least stirs the pot instead of white-washing everything.

Ya, I think there is a grreat deal of believability to the story. I mean, look at what we did that is known, is it so unbelievable that we would desecrate a book after we have already been proven to torture these guys?

Furthermore, Newsweek is one of the most credible sources in the American news media.

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Nobody prevented Newsweek from running the story....they just got slammed for running a false story.

Try again.

Not your country, huh? The US would never flush a book after all that other torture. See, what American cultured people don't understand is that desecrating their Bible is worse than the actual torture. Our culture finds it the other way, but through ethnocentric application we aren't willing to understand that. I know I don't care if soneone burns, flushes, or whatever a copy of my favorite book, just don't burn my arm or physically harm me.

Ya, it couldn't be the good ole US of A; we wouldn't do that.

[mnealtx 0]

Ok... got the rant out of your system, now? Good; glad you're feeling better.

Now, please show HOW Newsweek was prevented from reporting a story. Something to support your title?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Newsweek said in its May 23 edition that the information had come from a "knowledgeable government source" who had said a military report on abuse at Guantanamo Bay had found interrogators had flushed at least one copy of the Koran down a toilet in a bid to make detainees talk.

But the source later told the magazine he could not be certain he had seen an account of the Koran incident in the military report and that it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts, Newsweek said.

Oh, I see. They print something false, and when called on it, and they admit they had it wrong, you just assume that they were pressured....

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Furthermore, Newsweek is one of the most credible sources in the American news media.

And therein lies the problem... if they are one of the most credible, we are all in trouble... Hell, I only took one semester of journalism and I can see that they screwed up...

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the media at least stirs the pot

and it got people killed... irresponsible at best, criminal at worst.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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BZZZZZZZZT! WRONG!

Newsweek was not prevented from running their story. You have no proof they were coerced by any government entity into retracting the story.

This is yet another anti-American rant from you. Try again - this time with some facts to support your hypothesis.

Vinny the Anvil
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I have to add my 2 cents here. As an American soldier this story really upset me. All it did is create more hatred towards Americans and especially American soldiers who are trying to perform a job. This story not only caused deaths during the riots but also caused more terrorists to join the insurgency thus causing more soldiers to loose their arms, legs and possibly their lives. I challenge anyone at newsweek to pick up a weapon and walk the streets of Baghdad. Hell, why don't you wear a newsweek t-shirt in the process?

This whole subject just angers me because so many of my friends are currently serving in the global war on terror. And soon it may be my turn which I will do proudly. Our goal is to bring stability to Iraq and a democratic government. There is a lot of good going on in Iraq. Why doesn't the press ever print about positive events there? Concerned for my comrades!!!!! SSG James

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Nobody prevented Newsweek from running the story....they just got slammed for running a false story.

Try again.

Actually they got slamed for running a story they couldn't prove.

Different. Still not good, but different.

It is good to keep in mind the difference between false, and not provable.

illegible usually

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[replyFurthermore, Newsweek is one of the most credible sources in the American news media.

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Ya, I think there is a grreat deal of believability to the story.

Go burn a fucking flag if it makes you feel better. Than stop at the nearest store and get extra large tampons for yourself.

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The US would never flush a book after all that other torture.

Go join them in the streets.. You are being immature and fanatic just like those assholes that are in a frenzy over something that never happened.

Even if it did.. Their response is totally fucking uncalled for.

Stop labeling our whole country because of something ONE person was accused of doing. That is idiotic. But then again so is the vast majority of your US bashing threads.

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Concerned for my comrades!!!!! SSG James

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Given all the other shit that we know goes on during interrogations, does anyone here honestly doubt that Korans have been vandalised at one time or another?

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Given all the other shit that we know goes on during interrogations

And what exactly is that?... Its more like what you think you know...

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Stop labeling our whole country because of something ONE person was accused of doing. That is idiotic. But then again so is the vast majority of your US bashing threads.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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How many times has that post come back to haunt you?

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

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And what exactly is that?... Its more like what you think you know...

Ummm no. The following things are proven to have taken place:

Scaring prisoners with dogs
Beating prisoners
Women leading naked prisoners around on leashes
Making prisoners simulate gay sex
Putting naked prisoners in piles
Raping prisoners
Murdering prisoners

With all that going on I find it pretty unlikely that a Koran or two hasn't been vandalised. How about you?

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I notice that your examples all stem from one location, and not from interrogations, but from prison guards inappropriate and illegal behavior...

I would find it pretty unlikely that a trained interrogator would vandalize a Koran, or any other religious text... it is counter productive, it only serves to strengthen the subject's resolve, not break it down.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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How many times has that post come back to haunt you?

Yeah, it was an emotional response to a video of another human being's head being sliced off. I can see why it's impossible for the self proclaimed 'more enlightened folk' here to be tolerant of that and continue to toss it out there.

At least it wasn't some 'symbol' being burned, that would have been much worse that the physical act of decapitation. I think when all the fuss and emotion came down, we all wanted the knife wielder and his buddies brought to justice specifically. And of course the catholics to apologize for the whole raining frogs thing.

At least if people don't believe NW's retraction, and the other half don't believe the original story, we can all agree that Newsweek is completely untrustworthy and full of crap for one reason or another.

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I notice that your examples all stem from one location, and not from interrogations, but from prison guards inappropriate and illegal behavior...

I would find it pretty unlikely that a trained interrogator would vandalize a Koran, or any other religious text... it is counter productive, it only serves to strengthen the subject's resolve, not break it down.

My examples aren't meant to stem from one location. There have been trials in the USA, Britain and I think Belgium and Poland.

My guess is the number of occurences of abuse is probably an order of magnitude or two above what made it into the public domain and is not limited to prison guards.

Do they get to keep their Korans in their cells? If so I can see how taking away one of the few comforting things they have could be used to break down their resolve. If not then I'm inclined to agree with you.

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Given all the other shit that we know goes on during interrogations, does anyone here honestly doubt that Korans have been vandalised at one time or another?

See hear is the thing...you have no PROOF that it has happened. The news outlet also had no PROOF.

Do you want the media to report things thay think might have happend? Is that responsible journalism?

Add in that the report, that they now say was incorrect, has led to death and injury...Do you still think that without PROOF they should have reported it?

Also a bunch of the "other shit" was from one location that incase you didn't know, some of those people have been put in jail for it.

They made up a plausible story and then recanted it. The story caused riots and killed people. Then they admitted they didn't have the proof.

Bad reporting IMO to report "facts" that you can't prove.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Do they get to keep their Korans in their cells? If so I can see how taking away one of the few comforting things they have could be used to break down their resolve. If not then I'm inclined to agree with you.

Don't know, and taking them away is a far cry from flushing them...

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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Yeah, it was an emotional response to a video of another human being's head being sliced off. I can see why it's impossible for the self proclaimed 'more enlightened folk' here to be tolerant of that and continue to toss it out there.

True.. Yet if he would read later posts I've made I stated that anyone talking about turning any country into a glass parking lot is just wrong. Myself included.

But he chose not to read that part