Clerics threaten holy war over alleged Quran desecrations

[mr2mk1g 10]

Christ man why are you even trying to argue with me. I say Bush fucked up with his crusade comment. You say "His comment was inept" - where in the hell do we differ?

Neither of us think he was truly declaring a holy war, just that his comment was, to use your own words, "inept". Why is your jaw still flapping???

[crozby 0]

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So, when we see evil occuring elsewhere in the world, we should just mind our own business and do nothing to help people who are suffering?

I find this kind of language a problem. Your government labels things as evil to get you all to sign up to intervention.

But it has been proven time after time that there is no correlation between the amount of evilness going on in a region and whether the USA gets involved or not.

It simply comes down to the USA doing what best suits its own interests, which is pretty much what all nations do.

[Darius11 12]

Please elaborate. What foreign policy change should America have made that would have dissuaded Muslim extremists from attacking America? ***

Sorry for taking a bit to get back to you all.
I know you all missed me so much.

For one thing John we could have not supported a terrorist group and it's leader OBL when it was convenient. We could have started there.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Lets say that some people really did desecrate some qurans just to hurt someone's feelings or to piss them off or whatever. Is it a reasonable response to threaten a "holy war" because of that?

No. and i also mentioned that in this post.
I think the words Holy War are just stupid. There is nothing Holy about War.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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What about you since we are sharing?

Doesn't matter what I do...

I don’t know it is common courtesy to answer a question that you asked me.
But then again as I said it is common courtesy.

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If you really think that GWB would have been any thing with out daddy’s money and help you are in a dream world.

What does that have to do with anything? You said he was stupid. He's president. Validate your remarks with some substance other than shooting your mouth off.

You talk or I should say write a big game. You seem to always be very aggressive. Try calming down a bit you might actually take the time to understand a post before you just react to it.

You ask what does GWB family has to do with him being president. This started when I said I know he is not a smart man and you pointed out that he must be because he is president. The reason I am reminding you is you tend to forget what you say.

The reason he is president has everything to do with his family and his family’s money.
If you are unable to see that that’s fine. I am sure every one else who reads this with a few exceptions already knows this as a fact

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

Actually if you would read closely you would notice I said nothing good specifically.***

Well at least you’re honest. I know not to waist my time trying to reason with you. You have already said you will only see the negative when it comes to Muslims. That’s fine I respect that more then the people who claim they have an open mind but do not.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Actually if you would read closely you would notice I said nothing good specifically.***

Well at least you’re honest. I know not to waist my time trying to reason with you. You have already said you will only see the negative when it comes to Muslims. That’s fine I respect that more then the people who claim they have an open mind but do not.

My goal has always been to be honest and not be around the bush about things. I can't stand people who think they are great because they have people skills and therefore think that by going around in circles they can make everybody happy.
Still it is important to clarify all points even if it may seem like splitting hairs. Arab does not equal Muslim and Muslim (when referring to a person who goes to a Mosque) does not equal the Islamic faith. I honestly think the Islamic faith was created by many confused individuals during mid-evils time with violent tendencies. Many other religions have also had violent imperialism in their past but not to as high of a degree.
Still the biggest difference is that the other religions have evolved. That in itself attacks at the validity of other religions. But I think its better than the alternative. Before the question is asked how it affects the validity I will address that. If it wasn't ok for married women to show their hair 1000 years ago, why is it ok now? Why is it that their were no alter girls when I was growing up but there are now? If the bible clearly states that Sodom and Gommora was destroyed by God because of his opposition to Sodomy, how can any religion that follows the bible even talk about the possibility of gay marriage?

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[rhino 0]

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For one thing John we could have not supported a terrorist group and it's leader OBL when it was convenient. We could have started there.

Why do you keep saying WE? Who the fuck are you? Politicians made those decisions. The American people have little to NO influence on politicians. Hell we didn't even technically elect Bush for his first term. What does that tell you?

Get pissed at politicians not Americans. Americans are just working for a living trying to scrape out some happiness. Politicians are all about their own agendas and big business.

Rhino

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If you are unable to see that that’s fine. I am sure every one else who reads this with a few exceptions already knows this as a fact

Speak for yourself and not everyone else. Prove what you are saying.. Everything I've read says differently. Money helped but Bush got himself elected.

[Darius11 12]

You sound or should I say write like a politician. You avoid questions and like to stick to a point no one cares about and just keep on talking about the same thing.

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Who the fuck are you?

Is that another questions your asking me but will not answer your self.
I am done with arguing with you. You are unable to use reason.


Any one can act hard on line. Grow up. Change your tone. But mostly open your mind.

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Politicians are all about their own agendas and big business.

Agreed

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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It's time to immediately confiscate all the religious books and prayer rugs that we freely provided to all prisoners of war. If they don't have 'em, they can't claim that we abused 'em.

Totally agree!

Carpe Diem

[billvon 3,116]

>>Who the fuck are you?

>Any one can act hard on line. Grow up.

Rhino, Darius, cut it out.

[JohnRich 4]

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it has been proven time after time that there is no correlation between the amount of evilness going on in a region and whether the USA gets involved or not.

Well, when evil happens, everyone clamors for the U.S. to "do something" as the world's superpower. And then when we do step in to help, everyone tells us to "butt out".

I wish they would make up their mind.

If I was King of America, I would cut off ALL foreign aid. Period. Then I'd sit back and watch the world go to hell and squeal for America to come back.

[JohnRich 4]

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Please elaborate. What foreign policy change should America have made that would have dissuaded Muslim extremists from attacking America? ***

For one thing John we could have not supported a terrorist group and it's leader OBL when it was convenient. We could have started there.

That makes no sense at all.

So, you're saying that Osama only decided to attack us because we cut-off our support for him? Therefore, we should have continued to support someone who is a terrorist? And that's your idea of doing the right thing?

It reminds me of history, where payments were made to Barbary pirates in order to have them leave shipping alone. That's blackmail. It's a lousy way to run a just world.

[JohnRich 4]

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I am the VP of sales for a million dollar company.
I came here 8 years ago with 1500 bucks in my pockets and no help from anyone I was 21 at the time.

If you really think that GWB would have been any thing with out daddy’s money and help you are in a dream world.

Did Daddy take all his classes for him at Harvard and earn him a prestigious college degree?

Did Daddy co-pilot that fighter jet for him and earn him his flight wings?

That doesn't sound like someone who is stupid, to me. Just because you made something of yourself, doesn't mean that Bush is stupid, or that his accomplishments weren't hard-earned on his own.

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If I was King of America, I would cut off ALL foreign aid. Period. Then I'd sit back and watch the world go to hell and squeal for America to come back.

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If I was King of America, I would cut off ALL foreign aid. Period. Then I'd sit back and watch the world go to hell and squeal for America to come back.

Don't forget that the US sometimes uses aid as leverage to secure whats in the US's best interests.

It is not always about providing aid to "help"the people.

So I would maybe state " If I was King of America, I would cut off ALL foreign aid. Period. Unless it could be used to strengthen our position for whatever reason "

But other then that - I'm with you!

Most cases end up as damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Carpe Diem

[billvon 3,116]

>So, you're saying that Osama only decided to attack us because we
>cut-off our support for him?

Perhaps never funding him (or his parent organization) to begin with might have been a better choice. Even without hindsight, it's not hard to see how funding radical terrorists, and giving them billions in weapons, can come back and bite you on the ass.

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That makes no sense at all.

So, you're saying that Osama only decided to attack us because we cut-off our support for him? Therefore, we should have continued to support someone who is a terrorist? And that's your idea of doing the right thing?

Uh, John, I don't think that's what he was saying at all. I think he means we should never have supported him to begin with.

Of course, at the time (1980's) we weren't supporting him specifically, we AND the Arab group later to become "Al Quaeda" were both giving support to the Afghans to fight off the Soviets.

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[Darius11 12]

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Please elaborate. What foreign policy change should America have made that would have dissuaded Muslim extremists from attacking America? ***

For one thing John we could have not supported a terrorist group and it's leader OBL when it was convenient. We could have started there.

That makes no sense at all.

So, you're saying that Osama only decided to attack us because we cut-off our support for him? Therefore, we should have continued to support someone who is a terrorist? And that's your idea of doing the right thing?

It reminds me of history, where payments were made to Barbary pirates in order to have them leave shipping alone. That's blackmail. It's a lousy way to run a just world.

No John you are getting carried away thats not what i am saying. No one knows for sure what might or could have happened.
All I am saying is we should be very careful who we support. If we know someone is a bad person like OBL, or Sadam. We should not support them.

I don’t pretend to know what could or might happen.
What I do know is what did happen. I think it is very sad that we supported a group that is responsible for killing so many innocent people. We have done it more then once I think it’s time we stop and look at who we call our friends.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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I am the VP of sales for a million dollar company.
I came here 8 years ago with 1500 bucks in my pockets and no help from anyone I was 21 at the time.

If you really think that GWB would have been any thing with out daddy’s money and help you are in a dream world.

Did Daddy take all his classes for him at Harvard and earn him a prestigious college degree?

Did Daddy co-pilot that fighter jet for him and earn him his flight wings?

That doesn't sound like someone who is stupid, to me. Just because you made something of yourself, doesn't mean that Bush is stupid, or that his accomplishments weren't hard-earned on his own.

First that post was made as a response to rhino who asked what the hell do I do. So I told him.

That post was also made as a response that Bush is president so he must be smart.
I don’t think it takes great intelligence to have a rich daddy who has a lot of influence.
I am sure he would not be president if he were not born in to the family he was.

You can choose to deny that if you like.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Well, when evil happens, everyone clamors for the U.S. to "do something" as the world's superpower. And then when we do step in to help, everyone tells us to "butt out".

What evil are you talking about?

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I think he means we should never have supported him to begin with. Of course, at the time (1980's) we weren't supporting him specifically, we AND the Arab group later to become "Al Quaeda" were both giving support to the Afghans to fight off the Soviets.

Bingo! It's odd that Darius didn't bother to mention that little fact. Given the choice at the time, it was a good move. We were trying to help them stay independent from Soviet domination, just as we are now trying to make them independent from Muslim extremism.

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No one knows for sure what might or could have happened.
All I am saying is we should be very careful who we support. If we know someone is a bad person like OBL, or Sadam. We should not support them.

So we should have let the Soviets take over the Middle East along with control of vast oil fields?

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I don’t pretend to know what could or might happen.
What I do know is what did happen.

Yeah, it's so easy to criticize with 20-20 hindsight. But knowing what to do now ain't so easy.

So let's see how well you do at the "now" game: What would you do with the North Korea situation?

[JohnRich 4]

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I don’t think it takes great intelligence to have a rich daddy who has a lot of influence.

That doesn't mean that people with rich Daddy's are stupid.

Do you have some kind of grudge against people with wealth?

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I am sure he would not be president if he were not born in to the family he was.

The fickle finger of fate. There are millions of twists of fate in life that lead to someone becoming President. Change any one of them, and it could dash everything. One racist comment, or one blow job, can destroy you. A rich Daddy is no guarantee of success. Things like personal charisma, trust, and ideas, go a lot further.

Did Abe Lincoln have a rich Daddy?