ltdiver 3 #1 May 12, 2005 How would -you- liked to have been -this- pilot?! http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/05/12/errant_plane_prompts_government_evacuation/ ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #2 May 12, 2005 Yep, knew it had to be a student or some such. I would have been Very surprised if someone would have tried to use a cessna to attempt an attack on the capital.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 May 12, 2005 QuoteYep, knew it had to be a student or some such. I would have been Very surprised if someone would have tried to use a cessna to attempt an attack on the capital. Depends on what kind of payload the Cessna had. A chemical weapon, nuke, or dirty nuke would have a greater kill zone if deployed from any aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #4 May 12, 2005 QuoteYep, knew it had to be a student or some such. I would have been Very surprised if someone would have tried to use a cessna to attempt an attack on the capital. A student -with- and instructor. What a lame CFI! As for a Cessna as an attack vehicle....well, look at all the suicide bombers in Iraq. One person can do -alot- of damage. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #5 May 12, 2005 Who remembers Mathias Rust?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likvidskaj 0 #6 May 12, 2005 Is Rust still in jail? That guy has really stirred the Russian defense system. And that D.C. thing yesterday - it seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 May 12, 2005 This is clear example of the need for all US citizens to carry Stinger missiles. I mean what if some one attacks my house or boat with a plane.... Paranoia indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 May 12, 2005 That pilot should owe . Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #9 May 12, 2005 Quote And that D.C. thing yesterday - it seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. And you live where? (profile not filled out). ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #10 May 12, 2005 QuoteThis is clear example of the need for all US citizens to carry Stinger missiles. I mean what if some one attacks my house or boat with a plane.... Paranoia indeed. From a pilots' forum this morning: WASHINGTON, DC - May 10, 2006 (JP) The White House was evacuated today after an apparently lost, bored student accidentally flew a paper airplane over the White House fence. The airplane, a slow-flying, blunt-nosed glider with upfolded wingtips, was at first not detected by radar, and then was suddenly spotted flying directly toward the White House at an altitude of four feet, doing a series of suspicious stalls as it headed downward. Helicopters and fighter jets were dispatched as panicked staff and reporters fled the building, nearly getting run over by a black Secret Service limousine racing from the grounds with Vice President Cheney in the trunk. "Those planes can carry firecrackers," White House security chief Earl Watkins said after the plane, which crash-landed on the lawn a few feet from the White House, was surrounded by uniformed personnel with guns drawn. "Not just lady fingers, either," he continued. "They can carry a full size firework-grade cracker." Many dangerous firecrackers are made in unregulated factories in communist China and smuggled into the DC area by way of South-of-the-Border. However, the plane was eventually determined to be free from dangerous material. The student, whose name was withheld because of his age, was given a litmus test and released, but has been permanently labeled as a security threat, and blacklisted from attending any of the president's future town hall meetings because of the message printed on his t-shirt.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 May 12, 2005 that's funny, great writing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #12 May 12, 2005 ***This is clear example of the need for all US citizens to carry Stinger missiles. I mean what if some one attacks my house or boat with a plane.... I dont need no stinkin stinger.........I'll just cut loose with my FN Enough 7.62x51 in the right place.............Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #13 May 12, 2005 And you call yourself a patriot... with a Belgian rifle indeed. For shame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #14 May 12, 2005 QuoteAnd you call yourself a patriot... with a Belgian rifle indeed. For shame. I better not say anything about my Italian o/u shotgun thenMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likvidskaj 0 #15 May 12, 2005 QuoteQuote And that D.C. thing yesterday - it seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. And you live where? (profile not filled out). ltdiver Well, I'm from the land where wars catch up with every other generation. The thing is - those wars (through many centuries) were fought on our own soil which is opposite to US experience. The last US war fought on it's own soil was The Civil War as you call it. That's makes a big difference in perception of wars and dangers inherent to wars and combat (ok, some Japaneese paper-baloons were sent to bomb US but that was more a desperate try to scare shit out of citizens which of course doesn't work that way at all). The kind of war I'm talking about is the kind where civilians are directly endangered by the enemy troops (not only their guns, aviation or navy but their knifes in a ritual slaughter) in a bloodiest manner one could imagine. And all that on a "big scale" basis. That's why this D.C. event looks ridiculous to me. Terrorism is the meanest way to achieve some goals, a cowards' way if you want (the 9/11 made me mad as hell at those motherfuckers) but to evacuate a downtown due to some C-150, I mean, come on folks! The country is Croatia and that'll explain everything, I hope. But luckily, this little country is not known only for it's history of wars, it's known for it's role in parachuting history as well (to say nothing of other things). So, don't let those creeps scare you more than they wish to. US is a proud country, don't be triggered by every fart you hear. That's my private opinion, nothing more. Blue skies to you all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TypicalFish 0 #16 May 12, 2005 If that Cessna HAD been loaded with SemTex or some kind of ANFO bomb and had managed to cause the death of a few hundred tourists by crashing into Lafayette Park, I can guarantee you that alot of the people saying "oh, that was such an over-reaction" would instead be saying "where were the air defense guys"? Sometimes, you just can't win."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likvidskaj 0 #17 May 12, 2005 Yes, I agree, they probably would ask that. They would ask the smilar question if some car-bomb explode in the crowd. They'll probably blame the traffic police for that one. The sad thing is one can never know when, where and how such a thing could happen and that's the other component of terrorism - to make people scared and to exhaust them psychologically even with some random and basicaly harmless event like that lost Cessna's wondering about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #18 May 12, 2005 Quoteit seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. It is a mistake to take one incident from a city that is a prime target for terrorists, and to extrapolate that to paranoia ruling the lives of everyone in the U.S. Sheesh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #19 May 12, 2005 Quoteto evacuate a downtown due to some C-150, I mean, come on folks! You are misinformed. Only three buildings were evacuated - the ones likely to be the target of a terrorist attack: The White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #20 May 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteit seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. It is a mistake to take one incident from a city that is a prime target for terrorists, and to extrapolate that to paranoia ruling the lives of everyone in the U.S. Sheesh. HEY!!! Are you guys talking about me?!?!?! Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #21 May 12, 2005 Let me use up most of what I remember from working in Slavonski Brod a few years back.... (I know my spelling is going to be off...lol) Dobar dan, likvidskaj - kako ste' ?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likvidskaj 0 #22 May 12, 2005 I'm talking about the state of mind, not the actual incident. It is only an illustration of what might go on more often (excuse me for my bad english here but I don't have time to be grammatically correct) if "red alerts" become more frequent. Those shithead terrorists will make their goal without a drop of their stinking sweat if panic overcame the life in US. The White House and the Congress obviously are the primary targets (as the goverment buildings are in any other country - by nature of logic) but such a red alert can happen everywhere, anytime, in any large city. The question is how to prevent an overreaction (which triggers panic among the citizens) in a case where the threat is pretty dubious. That is the point. It's a fine balance and very hard on those who make decisions, of course. Ok, I'll say no more on this theme, I undertand your concern about this delicate problem. Take care! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likvidskaj 0 #23 May 12, 2005 QuoteLet me use up most of what I remember from working in Slavonski Brod a few years back.... (I know my spelling is going to be off...lol) Dobar dan, likvidskaj - kako ste' ? Hvala, dobro, kako ste vi? By the way, your spelling's excellent! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TypicalFish 0 #24 May 12, 2005 QuoteYes, I agree, they probably would ask that. They would ask the smilar question if some car-bomb explode in the crowd. They'll probably blame the traffic police for that one. The sad thing is one can never know when, where and how such a thing could happen and that's the other component of terrorism - to make people scared and to exhaust them psychologically even with some random and basicaly harmless event like that lost Cessna's wondering about. What would the alternative have been? Let it through, and hope for the best? Shoot it down? I think they took the most prudent course, quite frankly..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #25 May 12, 2005 QuoteWhat would the alternative have been? Let it through, and hope for the best? Shoot it down? I think they took the most prudent course, quite frankly... Agreed! They handled it very well I thought. I couldn't believe all the yahoo's on talk radio who said it should have been shot down immediately. Those same yahoo's probably would have been the first to cry "foul" if they had shot it down. One talk show host refused to believe the pilots calling-in that it is legal to fly a GA aircraft without a radio. He called them all liars. Sheesh. And one yahoo described how the F-16's "shot flares at it". They don't shoot flares like missles - they're just released to float through the air. That guy has been watching too many Star Trek photon torpedoes. 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likvidskaj 0 #15 May 12, 2005 QuoteQuote And that D.C. thing yesterday - it seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. And you live where? (profile not filled out). ltdiver Well, I'm from the land where wars catch up with every other generation. The thing is - those wars (through many centuries) were fought on our own soil which is opposite to US experience. The last US war fought on it's own soil was The Civil War as you call it. That's makes a big difference in perception of wars and dangers inherent to wars and combat (ok, some Japaneese paper-baloons were sent to bomb US but that was more a desperate try to scare shit out of citizens which of course doesn't work that way at all). The kind of war I'm talking about is the kind where civilians are directly endangered by the enemy troops (not only their guns, aviation or navy but their knifes in a ritual slaughter) in a bloodiest manner one could imagine. And all that on a "big scale" basis. That's why this D.C. event looks ridiculous to me. Terrorism is the meanest way to achieve some goals, a cowards' way if you want (the 9/11 made me mad as hell at those motherfuckers) but to evacuate a downtown due to some C-150, I mean, come on folks! The country is Croatia and that'll explain everything, I hope. But luckily, this little country is not known only for it's history of wars, it's known for it's role in parachuting history as well (to say nothing of other things). So, don't let those creeps scare you more than they wish to. US is a proud country, don't be triggered by every fart you hear. That's my private opinion, nothing more. Blue skies to you all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #16 May 12, 2005 If that Cessna HAD been loaded with SemTex or some kind of ANFO bomb and had managed to cause the death of a few hundred tourists by crashing into Lafayette Park, I can guarantee you that alot of the people saying "oh, that was such an over-reaction" would instead be saying "where were the air defense guys"? Sometimes, you just can't win."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likvidskaj 0 #17 May 12, 2005 Yes, I agree, they probably would ask that. They would ask the smilar question if some car-bomb explode in the crowd. They'll probably blame the traffic police for that one. The sad thing is one can never know when, where and how such a thing could happen and that's the other component of terrorism - to make people scared and to exhaust them psychologically even with some random and basicaly harmless event like that lost Cessna's wondering about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 May 12, 2005 Quoteit seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. It is a mistake to take one incident from a city that is a prime target for terrorists, and to extrapolate that to paranoia ruling the lives of everyone in the U.S. Sheesh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #19 May 12, 2005 Quoteto evacuate a downtown due to some C-150, I mean, come on folks! You are misinformed. Only three buildings were evacuated - the ones likely to be the target of a terrorist attack: The White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #20 May 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteit seems there's bit of paranoia rules the lives in US these days IMHO. It is a mistake to take one incident from a city that is a prime target for terrorists, and to extrapolate that to paranoia ruling the lives of everyone in the U.S. Sheesh. HEY!!! Are you guys talking about me?!?!?! Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 May 12, 2005 Let me use up most of what I remember from working in Slavonski Brod a few years back.... (I know my spelling is going to be off...lol) Dobar dan, likvidskaj - kako ste' ?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likvidskaj 0 #22 May 12, 2005 I'm talking about the state of mind, not the actual incident. It is only an illustration of what might go on more often (excuse me for my bad english here but I don't have time to be grammatically correct) if "red alerts" become more frequent. Those shithead terrorists will make their goal without a drop of their stinking sweat if panic overcame the life in US. The White House and the Congress obviously are the primary targets (as the goverment buildings are in any other country - by nature of logic) but such a red alert can happen everywhere, anytime, in any large city. The question is how to prevent an overreaction (which triggers panic among the citizens) in a case where the threat is pretty dubious. That is the point. It's a fine balance and very hard on those who make decisions, of course. Ok, I'll say no more on this theme, I undertand your concern about this delicate problem. Take care! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likvidskaj 0 #23 May 12, 2005 QuoteLet me use up most of what I remember from working in Slavonski Brod a few years back.... (I know my spelling is going to be off...lol) Dobar dan, likvidskaj - kako ste' ? Hvala, dobro, kako ste vi? By the way, your spelling's excellent! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #24 May 12, 2005 QuoteYes, I agree, they probably would ask that. They would ask the smilar question if some car-bomb explode in the crowd. They'll probably blame the traffic police for that one. The sad thing is one can never know when, where and how such a thing could happen and that's the other component of terrorism - to make people scared and to exhaust them psychologically even with some random and basicaly harmless event like that lost Cessna's wondering about. What would the alternative have been? Let it through, and hope for the best? Shoot it down? I think they took the most prudent course, quite frankly..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 May 12, 2005 QuoteWhat would the alternative have been? Let it through, and hope for the best? Shoot it down? I think they took the most prudent course, quite frankly... Agreed! They handled it very well I thought. I couldn't believe all the yahoo's on talk radio who said it should have been shot down immediately. Those same yahoo's probably would have been the first to cry "foul" if they had shot it down. One talk show host refused to believe the pilots calling-in that it is legal to fly a GA aircraft without a radio. He called them all liars. Sheesh. And one yahoo described how the F-16's "shot flares at it". They don't shoot flares like missles - they're just released to float through the air. That guy has been watching too many Star Trek photon torpedoes. A shoot-down should be the very last option, only if it's on a diving direct bee-line for the White House, and getting close. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
