mnealtx 0 #76 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe's from Germany bro.. He might still be harboring a bit of resentment for our countries last intervention with Germany.. Rhino Dream on. While some folks still live in the past, the world turns, dude Max showed wisdom. Why to waste any energy, brain, education on worthless discussions. We wonder that too, in most conversations... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #77 May 9, 2005 >All that skepticism you normally exhibit goes right out the window when >you like the story, and when the story is bashing U.S. troops you love it. Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. That's far from bashing US troops, it's showing that they have a lot of courage - to speak out against something they think is wrong, in an environment where it is dangerous to do so. I suspect you dislike this story because it does not support your view of the world. That's fine - but at least admit that it is your desire to support your worldview, rather than a desire to support the troops, that drives it. If you indeed wanted to support our troops, you would not choose to support only the ones that agree with your position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #78 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteHe's from Germany bro.. He might still be harboring a bit of resentment for our countries last intervention with Germany.. Rhino Dream on. While some folks still live in the past, the world turns, dude Max showed wisdom. Why to waste any energy, brain, education on worthless discussions. We wonder that too, in most conversations... I know that, I know. That's why I think it's much better to leave that unkind play yard. Any input from the world outside only will cause confusion. Folks, enjoy "yourself".. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #79 May 9, 2005 QuotePepsi products are the predominate drink in most Muslim countries. Then there is hope for the Mid-East yet! I'd die without a cool Mt. Dew every now and then.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #80 May 9, 2005 QuoteWhy do you hate army reservists so much? Grow up Bill. First off it is mostly Bob Hebert that I don't believe, the Journalist. But your saying that I need to believe everything an Army Reservist says or I hate them and am spiting on them?? That even a bigger bunch of bullshit. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #81 May 9, 2005 Quote Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. At this point, it's just a story. Has anyone actually over there seen anything like he described? I have not heard any other accounts of similar incidents. If there was proof stuff like that was going on, the media would be all over it. Quote That's far from bashing US troops, it's showing that they have a lot of courage - to speak out against something they think is wrong, in an environment where it is dangerous to do so. It sounds to me like he wanted a reason to get out and he made up a few stories to get one. Quote I suspect you dislike this story because it does not support your view of the world. Or maybe because there is a good chance that it is complete BS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #82 May 9, 2005 Quote>All that skepticism you normally exhibit goes right out the window when >you like the story, and when the story is bashing U.S. troops you love it. Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. That's far from bashing US troops, it's showing that they have a lot of courage - to speak out against something they think is wrong, in an environment where it is dangerous to do so. I suspect you dislike this story because it does not support your view of the world. That's fine - but at least admit that it is your desire to support your worldview, rather than a desire to support the troops, that drives it. If you indeed wanted to support our troops, you would not choose to support only the ones that agree with your position. Bill, once again you turn logic on it's head. The guy is a CO, not a soldier, and you posted it as a counterpoint to the initial post because it presents the conduct of our troops in Iraq in a highly negative light. Despite your protests it is one sided and focuses entirely on a negative presentation of isolated incidents if we are even to believe a CO who stood by and did nothing about the illegal conduct he witnessed. As for supporting only the troops that support my position, that's the pot calling the kettle black, it's a rare occasion when you manage to find a soldier to support, l and it's utterly ludicrous to suggest I'm selective in my support because I don't support a CO concocting about as one sided and negative an account as is possible. What a joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #83 May 9, 2005 QuoteThis is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. The keyword there is "story" I just did a quick google search on this "story and it is filled with holes and contradictions depending on who or when he is talkin to. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 May 9, 2005 Quote>All that skepticism you normally exhibit goes right out the window when >you like the story, and when the story is bashing U.S. troops you love it. Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. That's far from bashing US troops, it's showing that they have a lot of courage - to speak out against something they think is wrong, in an environment where it is dangerous to do so. I suspect you dislike this story because it does not support your view of the world. That's fine - but at least admit that it is your desire to support your worldview, rather than a desire to support the troops, that drives it. If you indeed wanted to support our troops, you would not choose to support only the ones that agree with your position. Ok, Bill.... so where was your support for Sgt. Smith? He took a stand and did the right thing... gave his life for his comrades and earned our nation's highest honor doing it. Where's his support from you, Bill? Reading this forum, the support I see you (and others) giving troops seem to be negative support. I'm not saying our troops are perfect...and I'm not saying that bad things don't happen or that it must've been someone else that did it. But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They deserve better than that... they deserve our respect. All of them, from the ones that conscientiously object to the ones that man the wire.... ALL OF THEMMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #85 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteIndeed I will. They're doing absolutely nothing for me right now except increasing my tax burden to pay for this adminstration's military adventurism. I've been in the military, and this has got nothing whatsoever to do with protecting my freedom to do anything. As I said, it doesn't matter what I think, as there are plenty of mindless war pimps who'll wrap themselves in the flag stateside, and send others off to an early and unecessary death. You think it's OK. Vive le difference. Don't expect everyone to fall in lockstep behind you. (By the way, I didn't write the quote that you attribute to me above that seems to have fired you up. Do try to be more careful when replying.) Keep drinking...... It isn't about agreeing with or even supporting THE WAR.. It's about supporting the troops.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.. Maybe you read that? Rhino 100% agree. And the best way to support them is to get them back here and make sure no future CinC can lie his way into a war.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #86 May 9, 2005 Come on Rhino, it is getting old that "Support the troops" crap. I am sure that you are aware that troops are made of men and women, and each individual will behave diferent as they are persons and not machines. By all means do support those that are brave and honest, like the one in this thread trying to save the girl. But none of the imature morons that have murdered, tortured and looted deserve any support, marines or not. Signing the dotted line alone, doesn´t make a hero, or even a good person. Why do you support so much even the bad apples? Or do you think that there is not bad apples among the U.S military. Most people would think that it is in the best interest of the honest marines to get rid of those who may give them a bad name. Regarding to the more general "support the troops", what better way to support the troops that doing as much as possible to bring them back ASAP and in the same state they went to Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #87 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteIndeed I will. They're doing absolutely nothing for me right now except increasing my tax burden to pay for this adminstration's military adventurism. I've been in the military, and this has got nothing whatsoever to do with protecting my freedom to do anything. As I said, it doesn't matter what I think, as there are plenty of mindless war pimps who'll wrap themselves in the flag stateside, and send others off to an early and unecessary death. You think it's OK. Vive le difference. Don't expect everyone to fall in lockstep behind you. (By the way, I didn't write the quote that you attribute to me above that seems to have fired you up. Do try to be more careful when replying.) Keep drinking...... Drinking helps? On what? Fighting in Iraq? Watching the whole matter with a certain distance? Help me out, pls dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #88 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #89 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteThis soldier needs your support too: What a bunch of Bullshit. I don't buy it for a second. But hey if it fits your agenda it must be true. Josj btw- Who believes Coke is sending Glass bottles over to Iraq? Bunch of crap, that's all that article is. ignorance is bliss eh?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #90 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #91 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. At this point, it's just a story. Has anyone actually over there seen anything like he described? I have not heard any other accounts of similar incidents. If there was proof stuff like that was going on, the media would be all over it. yes...and far worse...these are standard line units and reservists, mostly untrained for, and ill suited to the missions they are being called to perform. It really really sucks when your enemy is nearly indistinguishable from the people you are trying to 'defend' after a bit of time EVERYONE not in your uniform starts to look like "the enemy".. all it takes to recognize these kinds of attitudes can and do exist in our modern military (even with all the politically correct regulations and sensitivity training) is a quick trip to the porto johns... unless of course you believe the insurgents are sneaking in and writing blatantly racist comments all over every stall in 'secure' areas... however dont mistake reality for bashing our soldiers, or anti american sentiment. Soldiers are what they are and have always been. The surest way to break a tool is to misuse itand we are misusing the majority of our troops..... just wait for the fall out when they return home in large numbers and have to adjust to 'civilized life' again....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #92 May 9, 2005 The officer's comment was a harbinger of the gratuitous violence that, according to Mr. Delgado, is routinely inflicted by American soldiers on ordinary Iraqis. He said: "Guys in my unit, particularly the younger guys, would drive by in their Humvee and shatter bottles over the heads of Iraqi civilians passing by. They'd keep a bunch of empty Coke bottles in the Humvee to break over people's heads." He said he had confronted guys who were his friends about this practice. "I said to them: 'What the hell are you doing? Like, what does this accomplish?' And they responded just completely openly. They said: 'Look, I hate being in Iraq. I hate being stuck here. And I hate being surrounded by hajis.' " Quote*** I gotta take this with a grain of salt until i get some more specifics. The problem is that it was worded as though this is a routine thing. But there is no hard evidence of this. We have only one witness who makes these claims. But was one guy doing it? Two? Two hundred? We just don't know. But the article just lets it hang there in such a way that the reader is given the impression that this is routine behavior from our troops, not just one or two isolated incidents. Sloppy reporting if you ask me. Has anyone else vouched for this story who has seen the troops do this kind of thing? - Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #93 May 9, 2005 you chose to believe it and I don't. Why does that make me ignorant rather than you. No one can seem to back up this one guys story yet every liberal assumes it is true, and some have the balls to call those who don't ignorant. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #94 May 9, 2005 Just to come back to the original post in this thread. The picture makes a deep impression on many, but this is the problem, the TV - high tech wars we have now sanitize the real horror of war. For anybody who has never been in a war zone it is just not comprehensible how horrible war really is. There are currently a lot of dcumentaries on TV in regard to th 60th anniversary of the end of WW2. A lot of these do bring the real horror of war well across. In the new world of TV and smart bombs this is getting lost. War is hell on earth and I always get annoyed when people are complacent about civilian casualties. They are too removed from it.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #95 May 10, 2005 Quote Most people would think that it is in the best interest of the honest marines to get rid of those who may give them a bad name. Regarding to the more general "support the troops", what better way to support the troops that doing as much as possible to bring them back ASAP and in the same state they went to Iraq. With this many troops short of a real draft, you are bound to have a few bad people that bring discredit upon the military. We had a Lieutenant in Vietnam let his platoon turn into a killing mob, but this was not the norm. This did not happen everyday like the liberals would have you believe. Today, most of our men and women serve honorably. They want to do a good job, and understandably, they want to get home safe.They resent the few who are a disgrace.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #96 May 10, 2005 QuoteNo one can seem to back up this one guys story yet every liberal assumes it is true, you're kinda doing the same thing here, generalizing about ALL liberals. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites opurt 0 #97 May 10, 2005 Quotekallend wrote: Quotemnealtx wrote: But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. Just so we don't get too revisionist, check out snopes.com for some opinions from Democratic leaders on Saddam's WMD. Also, the strategic goal of democratizing the region, right or wrong, was listed by Bush as a reason to go to war in Bush's Speech to the American Enterprise Institute a few weeks prior to the invasion. It's regrettable this war has gotten so politicized, as it stifles true debate and promotes simple sloganeering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #98 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #99 May 10, 2005 Quotehttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155805,00.html For those of you that try and justify the actions of the insurgents "SHAME ON YOU". For those of you that sit by every day and run your mouth about how you would do better or how our soldiers should have done better "SHAME ON YOU"... Our soldiers and doing the best they can given the circumstances. Thank them if you see one. Write them if you can. This is painful.. They need your support.. Rhino That is a Pulitzer photo if I ever saw one. ------- "The soldiers went back to that neighborhood the next day to ask what they could do. The people were very warming and welcomed us into their homes, and many kids were actually running up to say hello and to ask soldiers to shake hands. Eventually, some insurgents must have realized we were back and started shooting at us. The American soldiers and Iraqi police started engaging the enemy and there was a running gun battle. I saw at least one IP who was shot, but he looked okay and actually smiled at me despite the big bullet hole in his leg. I smiled back. One thing seems certain; the people in that neighborhood share our feelings about the terrorists. We are going to go back there, and if any terrorists come out, the soldiers hope to find them. Everybody is still very angry that the insurgents attacked us when the kids were around. Their day will come." --------------- You can bet that the residents of that neighborhood won't hesitate to tell the IPs & the 1/24 Strykers where to find the RIFW/TW/RHs if they show up again. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #100 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right. And in the (admittedly) limited search I did concerning Clinton's actions against terrorism, I didn't see any criticism from you... so, now that we have that cleared up... are you *TRULY* against the war itself, or is it just that it's a *REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT* that is leading the country during this war? Seems to be the latter to me, although I suppose I could be mistaken...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Zenister 0 #89 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteThis soldier needs your support too: What a bunch of Bullshit. I don't buy it for a second. But hey if it fits your agenda it must be true. Josj btw- Who believes Coke is sending Glass bottles over to Iraq? Bunch of crap, that's all that article is. ignorance is bliss eh?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #90 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #91 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. At this point, it's just a story. Has anyone actually over there seen anything like he described? I have not heard any other accounts of similar incidents. If there was proof stuff like that was going on, the media would be all over it. yes...and far worse...these are standard line units and reservists, mostly untrained for, and ill suited to the missions they are being called to perform. It really really sucks when your enemy is nearly indistinguishable from the people you are trying to 'defend' after a bit of time EVERYONE not in your uniform starts to look like "the enemy".. all it takes to recognize these kinds of attitudes can and do exist in our modern military (even with all the politically correct regulations and sensitivity training) is a quick trip to the porto johns... unless of course you believe the insurgents are sneaking in and writing blatantly racist comments all over every stall in 'secure' areas... however dont mistake reality for bashing our soldiers, or anti american sentiment. Soldiers are what they are and have always been. The surest way to break a tool is to misuse itand we are misusing the majority of our troops..... just wait for the fall out when they return home in large numbers and have to adjust to 'civilized life' again....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #92 May 9, 2005 The officer's comment was a harbinger of the gratuitous violence that, according to Mr. Delgado, is routinely inflicted by American soldiers on ordinary Iraqis. He said: "Guys in my unit, particularly the younger guys, would drive by in their Humvee and shatter bottles over the heads of Iraqi civilians passing by. They'd keep a bunch of empty Coke bottles in the Humvee to break over people's heads." He said he had confronted guys who were his friends about this practice. "I said to them: 'What the hell are you doing? Like, what does this accomplish?' And they responded just completely openly. They said: 'Look, I hate being in Iraq. I hate being stuck here. And I hate being surrounded by hajis.' " Quote*** I gotta take this with a grain of salt until i get some more specifics. The problem is that it was worded as though this is a routine thing. But there is no hard evidence of this. We have only one witness who makes these claims. But was one guy doing it? Two? Two hundred? We just don't know. But the article just lets it hang there in such a way that the reader is given the impression that this is routine behavior from our troops, not just one or two isolated incidents. Sloppy reporting if you ask me. Has anyone else vouched for this story who has seen the troops do this kind of thing? - Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #93 May 9, 2005 you chose to believe it and I don't. Why does that make me ignorant rather than you. No one can seem to back up this one guys story yet every liberal assumes it is true, and some have the balls to call those who don't ignorant. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #94 May 9, 2005 Just to come back to the original post in this thread. The picture makes a deep impression on many, but this is the problem, the TV - high tech wars we have now sanitize the real horror of war. For anybody who has never been in a war zone it is just not comprehensible how horrible war really is. There are currently a lot of dcumentaries on TV in regard to th 60th anniversary of the end of WW2. A lot of these do bring the real horror of war well across. In the new world of TV and smart bombs this is getting lost. War is hell on earth and I always get annoyed when people are complacent about civilian casualties. They are too removed from it.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #95 May 10, 2005 Quote Most people would think that it is in the best interest of the honest marines to get rid of those who may give them a bad name. Regarding to the more general "support the troops", what better way to support the troops that doing as much as possible to bring them back ASAP and in the same state they went to Iraq. With this many troops short of a real draft, you are bound to have a few bad people that bring discredit upon the military. We had a Lieutenant in Vietnam let his platoon turn into a killing mob, but this was not the norm. This did not happen everyday like the liberals would have you believe. Today, most of our men and women serve honorably. They want to do a good job, and understandably, they want to get home safe.They resent the few who are a disgrace.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #96 May 10, 2005 QuoteNo one can seem to back up this one guys story yet every liberal assumes it is true, you're kinda doing the same thing here, generalizing about ALL liberals. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites opurt 0 #97 May 10, 2005 Quotekallend wrote: Quotemnealtx wrote: But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. Just so we don't get too revisionist, check out snopes.com for some opinions from Democratic leaders on Saddam's WMD. Also, the strategic goal of democratizing the region, right or wrong, was listed by Bush as a reason to go to war in Bush's Speech to the American Enterprise Institute a few weeks prior to the invasion. It's regrettable this war has gotten so politicized, as it stifles true debate and promotes simple sloganeering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #98 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #99 May 10, 2005 Quotehttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155805,00.html For those of you that try and justify the actions of the insurgents "SHAME ON YOU". For those of you that sit by every day and run your mouth about how you would do better or how our soldiers should have done better "SHAME ON YOU"... Our soldiers and doing the best they can given the circumstances. Thank them if you see one. Write them if you can. This is painful.. They need your support.. Rhino That is a Pulitzer photo if I ever saw one. ------- "The soldiers went back to that neighborhood the next day to ask what they could do. The people were very warming and welcomed us into their homes, and many kids were actually running up to say hello and to ask soldiers to shake hands. Eventually, some insurgents must have realized we were back and started shooting at us. The American soldiers and Iraqi police started engaging the enemy and there was a running gun battle. I saw at least one IP who was shot, but he looked okay and actually smiled at me despite the big bullet hole in his leg. I smiled back. One thing seems certain; the people in that neighborhood share our feelings about the terrorists. We are going to go back there, and if any terrorists come out, the soldiers hope to find them. Everybody is still very angry that the insurgents attacked us when the kids were around. Their day will come." --------------- You can bet that the residents of that neighborhood won't hesitate to tell the IPs & the 1/24 Strykers where to find the RIFW/TW/RHs if they show up again. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #100 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right. And in the (admittedly) limited search I did concerning Clinton's actions against terrorism, I didn't see any criticism from you... so, now that we have that cleared up... are you *TRULY* against the war itself, or is it just that it's a *REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT* that is leading the country during this war? Seems to be the latter to me, although I suppose I could be mistaken...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Zenister 0 #91 May 9, 2005 QuoteQuote Uh huh. This is a story about a US soldier taking a moral stand. At this point, it's just a story. Has anyone actually over there seen anything like he described? I have not heard any other accounts of similar incidents. If there was proof stuff like that was going on, the media would be all over it. yes...and far worse...these are standard line units and reservists, mostly untrained for, and ill suited to the missions they are being called to perform. It really really sucks when your enemy is nearly indistinguishable from the people you are trying to 'defend' after a bit of time EVERYONE not in your uniform starts to look like "the enemy".. all it takes to recognize these kinds of attitudes can and do exist in our modern military (even with all the politically correct regulations and sensitivity training) is a quick trip to the porto johns... unless of course you believe the insurgents are sneaking in and writing blatantly racist comments all over every stall in 'secure' areas... however dont mistake reality for bashing our soldiers, or anti american sentiment. Soldiers are what they are and have always been. The surest way to break a tool is to misuse itand we are misusing the majority of our troops..... just wait for the fall out when they return home in large numbers and have to adjust to 'civilized life' again....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #92 May 9, 2005 The officer's comment was a harbinger of the gratuitous violence that, according to Mr. Delgado, is routinely inflicted by American soldiers on ordinary Iraqis. He said: "Guys in my unit, particularly the younger guys, would drive by in their Humvee and shatter bottles over the heads of Iraqi civilians passing by. They'd keep a bunch of empty Coke bottles in the Humvee to break over people's heads." He said he had confronted guys who were his friends about this practice. "I said to them: 'What the hell are you doing? Like, what does this accomplish?' And they responded just completely openly. They said: 'Look, I hate being in Iraq. I hate being stuck here. And I hate being surrounded by hajis.' " Quote*** I gotta take this with a grain of salt until i get some more specifics. The problem is that it was worded as though this is a routine thing. But there is no hard evidence of this. We have only one witness who makes these claims. But was one guy doing it? Two? Two hundred? We just don't know. But the article just lets it hang there in such a way that the reader is given the impression that this is routine behavior from our troops, not just one or two isolated incidents. Sloppy reporting if you ask me. Has anyone else vouched for this story who has seen the troops do this kind of thing? - Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #93 May 9, 2005 you chose to believe it and I don't. Why does that make me ignorant rather than you. No one can seem to back up this one guys story yet every liberal assumes it is true, and some have the balls to call those who don't ignorant. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #94 May 9, 2005 Just to come back to the original post in this thread. The picture makes a deep impression on many, but this is the problem, the TV - high tech wars we have now sanitize the real horror of war. For anybody who has never been in a war zone it is just not comprehensible how horrible war really is. There are currently a lot of dcumentaries on TV in regard to th 60th anniversary of the end of WW2. A lot of these do bring the real horror of war well across. In the new world of TV and smart bombs this is getting lost. War is hell on earth and I always get annoyed when people are complacent about civilian casualties. They are too removed from it.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #95 May 10, 2005 Quote Most people would think that it is in the best interest of the honest marines to get rid of those who may give them a bad name. Regarding to the more general "support the troops", what better way to support the troops that doing as much as possible to bring them back ASAP and in the same state they went to Iraq. With this many troops short of a real draft, you are bound to have a few bad people that bring discredit upon the military. We had a Lieutenant in Vietnam let his platoon turn into a killing mob, but this was not the norm. This did not happen everyday like the liberals would have you believe. Today, most of our men and women serve honorably. They want to do a good job, and understandably, they want to get home safe.They resent the few who are a disgrace.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #96 May 10, 2005 QuoteNo one can seem to back up this one guys story yet every liberal assumes it is true, you're kinda doing the same thing here, generalizing about ALL liberals. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
opurt 0 #97 May 10, 2005 Quotekallend wrote: Quotemnealtx wrote: But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. Just so we don't get too revisionist, check out snopes.com for some opinions from Democratic leaders on Saddam's WMD. Also, the strategic goal of democratizing the region, right or wrong, was listed by Bush as a reason to go to war in Bush's Speech to the American Enterprise Institute a few weeks prior to the invasion. It's regrettable this war has gotten so politicized, as it stifles true debate and promotes simple sloganeering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #98 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #99 May 10, 2005 Quotehttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155805,00.html For those of you that try and justify the actions of the insurgents "SHAME ON YOU". For those of you that sit by every day and run your mouth about how you would do better or how our soldiers should have done better "SHAME ON YOU"... Our soldiers and doing the best they can given the circumstances. Thank them if you see one. Write them if you can. This is painful.. They need your support.. Rhino That is a Pulitzer photo if I ever saw one. ------- "The soldiers went back to that neighborhood the next day to ask what they could do. The people were very warming and welcomed us into their homes, and many kids were actually running up to say hello and to ask soldiers to shake hands. Eventually, some insurgents must have realized we were back and started shooting at us. The American soldiers and Iraqi police started engaging the enemy and there was a running gun battle. I saw at least one IP who was shot, but he looked okay and actually smiled at me despite the big bullet hole in his leg. I smiled back. One thing seems certain; the people in that neighborhood share our feelings about the terrorists. We are going to go back there, and if any terrorists come out, the soldiers hope to find them. Everybody is still very angry that the insurgents attacked us when the kids were around. Their day will come." --------------- You can bet that the residents of that neighborhood won't hesitate to tell the IPs & the 1/24 Strykers where to find the RIFW/TW/RHs if they show up again. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #100 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right. And in the (admittedly) limited search I did concerning Clinton's actions against terrorism, I didn't see any criticism from you... so, now that we have that cleared up... are you *TRULY* against the war itself, or is it just that it's a *REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT* that is leading the country during this war? Seems to be the latter to me, although I suppose I could be mistaken...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. 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Guest #99 May 10, 2005 Quotehttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155805,00.html For those of you that try and justify the actions of the insurgents "SHAME ON YOU". For those of you that sit by every day and run your mouth about how you would do better or how our soldiers should have done better "SHAME ON YOU"... Our soldiers and doing the best they can given the circumstances. Thank them if you see one. Write them if you can. This is painful.. They need your support.. Rhino That is a Pulitzer photo if I ever saw one. ------- "The soldiers went back to that neighborhood the next day to ask what they could do. The people were very warming and welcomed us into their homes, and many kids were actually running up to say hello and to ask soldiers to shake hands. Eventually, some insurgents must have realized we were back and started shooting at us. The American soldiers and Iraqi police started engaging the enemy and there was a running gun battle. I saw at least one IP who was shot, but he looked okay and actually smiled at me despite the big bullet hole in his leg. I smiled back. One thing seems certain; the people in that neighborhood share our feelings about the terrorists. We are going to go back there, and if any terrorists come out, the soldiers hope to find them. Everybody is still very angry that the insurgents attacked us when the kids were around. Their day will come." --------------- You can bet that the residents of that neighborhood won't hesitate to tell the IPs & the 1/24 Strykers where to find the RIFW/TW/RHs if they show up again. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #100 May 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote> But, dammit, those boys and girls are over there fighting for US...you and me, and all the rest of us reading this forum. They are putting their lives on the line for us...only to see the newspapers and newscasts running them down, day after day. They were sent to war on the basis of a lie. I do not consider that they are fighting for me. They are fighting and dying because a lying president and his lying cronies wanted to demonstrate how macho he is. Just about every single reason for the invasion that Bush laid out in his 2003 SOTU speech turned out to be a lie. That may be, John... but I've looked back through old posts and I just don't see your outrage when BC was bombing aspirin factories and tents... so you'll forgive me if I take your opinion with a rather large grain of salt... Well, according to dz.com I was first registered here in 2002. Was BC president in 2002? Thought not. You need to do a better job of research before taking that salt. I'm surprised that you are so steadfast in defense of a liar whose lies have resulted in well over a thousand US troop deaths. Support the troops indeed. Humbug from the right. And in the (admittedly) limited search I did concerning Clinton's actions against terrorism, I didn't see any criticism from you... so, now that we have that cleared up... are you *TRULY* against the war itself, or is it just that it's a *REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT* that is leading the country during this war? Seems to be the latter to me, although I suppose I could be mistaken...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
