Results of Australia's Gun Laws

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Australia's gun laws!

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia


Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were for! ced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone,

homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain! how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and exp ense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it it's too late!

So much for taking guns away making people safer, huh?

Blues,
Nathan

Blues,
Nathan

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[markd_nscr986 0]

Australians should not sit still for that kind of BS

Vote the chickenshits out and...........

Re-arm the populace!

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[KevinMcGuire 0]

I'm eager to see what the gun control advocats twist on this will be.

[KevinMcGuire 0]

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Australia's gun laws!

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia


Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were for! ced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone,

homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain! how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and exp ense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it it's too late!

So much for taking guns away making people safer, huh?

Blues,
Nathan

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I;m betting things will level out once the criminals have run out of bullets

[kelpdiver 2]

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I;m betting things will level out once the criminals have run out of bullets

That could be next century. Without an impending ban, I still have over 1500 rounds of various calibers.

[KevinMcGuire 0]

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I;m betting things will level out once the criminals have run out of bullets

That could be next century. Without an impending ban, I still have over 1500 rounds of various calibers.

Hello..... Calling all gun control advocates. Where are you??????? I'm dying to hear your thoughts on this issue

[AggieDave 6]

I'm a gun control advocate...atleast when I have money to make it to the range and practice my gun control.

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[bch7773 0]

are those statistics really true?

While I'm sure everyone really trusts Ed, it would be nice to have some independent confirmation before drawing any conclusions.

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[genoyamamoto 0]

found this on snopes

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

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[JesseP 0]

Very interesting. As a gun control advocate, that would be precisely the 'spin' I would put on it.

[MarkF 0]

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are those statistics really true?

While I'm sure everyone really trusts Ed, it would be nice to have some independent confirmation before drawing any conclusions.

Ahhh the notorious Ed Chenel memo, it's been getting around for at least 2 years, try a google search for "Ed Chenel". There's a heap of links to sites with real statistics on snopes. As far as anyone can tell there's never been a policeman in ANY Australian state called Ed Chenel.

Edited to add that I'm neither pro or anti gun.
What really pisses me off is either side of the argument (ab)using statistics to support their own hidden agenda.

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[genoyamamoto 0]

Yeah i'm neither for nor against gun control, just out to inform y'all.

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I'm a gun control advocate...atleast when I have money to make it to the range and practice my gun control.

One of the best bumper stickers I ever bought- "Gun Control Means Using Both Hands"

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[Travman 6]

That thing would be very old. The gun buy back happened in '97 from memory.
40% of all statistics are made up anyway.

[nael 0]

Ok, so I dont come in to this forum very often, there was 13000 new threads when I entered today, but this thread grabbed my attention.

I doubt those stats are true, and as Travis said, the gun buyback happened many many years ago. If, and that's a big IF the stats were true, who's to say the results would not have been higher if they govt hadnt done the whole buyback thing?

I think it was a great idea. Its not often you hear of shootings in Australia, I cant even remember the last time some 15 year old walked into his school and shot everyone. That in itself has to be a good thing.

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[sinker 0]

well, valid stats abound here in the states in favor of allowing law abiding citizens to keep and bear those evil nasty things that go bang (guns fool!)

in all or most states allowing concealed carry, violent crime dropped. In large cities that prohibit and in some cases outright ban handguns, violent crime has continued to rise. I don't have numbers on me at 2 am, but I'm sure Kennedy or someone else does...

it's amazing to me how little common sense people have... of course law abiding people will turn in their guns when compelled by the law... and of course criminals (DUH) won't... ergo, easy pickins for the criminals, since law abiding citizens can do little to stave off the predators...

i'm just glad I live in a state that trusts me enough to carry a gun to defend myself, my wife, my kids.

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[freethefly 6]

***Hello..... Calling all gun control advocates. Where are you??????? I'm dying to hear your thoughts on this issue


Here I am, your friendly fire, gun control advocate!!!
My thoughts on this is bury them deep and when the time comes to lock and load, keep a steady hand, don't pull - squeeze. Remember children, gun control is being able to hit your target!

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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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[Kennedy 0]

See, now that's the problem. Crime has gone up in Aus since the ban, but thanks to idiots who write things like that, no one wants to listen anymore. They think they are supporting gun rights, but all they're really doing is making it harder for anyone else to do so (and making themselves out to be idiots and/or liars).

The plain truth is that crime has not gone down, and certain types of crime jumped up dramatically, both in England and Aus.

The crimes that jumped drastically were victim-confrontation crimes-
mugging, home invasion, assaults, etc.

Keep in mind that many parts of Aus have a police response time of over twenty or thirty minutes. England put out a memo a few years ago saying that they're not going to bother investigating "small" crimes like theft and petty assault unless there is an obvious lead.

Sometimes I wonder if law makers aren't trying to encourage crooks.

For here in the US, well, I'm not likely to take too much criminal policy advice from a country where they had to coin an entirely new term for crimes.
(home invasion, first used in NSW in the early 1990s)

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The plain truth is that crime has not gone down, and certain types of crime jumped up dramatically, both in England and Aus.

The crimes that jumped drastically were victim-confrontation crimes-
mugging, home invasion, assaults, etc.

Why would muggings and assaults go up because certain kinds of firearms were no longer permitted to be stored in a secure gun-cabinet at home? We've never had the right to carry firearms in the UK.

Pretty much the only type of crime that has risen in the UK since the ban have been firearms offences themselves. Of course there are far more firearms offences to commit after the legislation... but that's not the most likely cause.

The police and legal commentators suggest the primary reason is the influx of Yardi gangs and Easter European drug traffickers. Plus there has been a shift in youth culture, especially black youth culture, to glamorise firearms leading people to want them… as silly as it sounds, most people blame rappers for this and I have little to refute the concept.

Overall however, if you take the statistics from before the firearms legislation came in and compare them to now you see that:
overall crime has fallen by 39%.
vehicle crime has fallen by 51%.
burglary has fallen by 43%.
theft has fallen by 36%.
overall violent crime has fallen by over 36%.
the risk of being involved in crime has fallen from 40% to 26% - the lowest level since our records began nearly 25 years ago.

Now I am most certainly not suggesting any of the above occurred because of the firearms legislation. These things are merely temporally linked – the true reasoning is far more complicated than any one change and cannot be accounted for by a purely statistical analysis.

Ultimately neither side of the argument is able to point to any one statistic without being confronted by a countermanding statistic disproving their theory.

And at the end of the day. The US is a VERY different place to any other place you can point to. The vast majority of the differences in our respective crime rates come down to cultural differences, not legal. This means what works for one country will not work for another.

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For here in the US, well, I'm not likely to take too much criminal policy advice from a country where they had to coin an entirely new term for crimes.
(home invasion, first used in NSW in the early 1990s)

Are you sure of this? That's about the timeframe I heard this phrase, being applied to Vietnamese gangs in Southern California.

[kallend 2,148]

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In large cities that prohibit and in some cases outright ban handguns, violent crime has continued to rise.

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Oh? You might want to check the stats for Chicago over the last 2 years.

It can be quite dangerous when you actually believe your own propaganda.

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[kelpdiver 2]

come on, professor, you know better than to use a single data point to make a generalization.

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In large cities that prohibit and in some cases outright ban handguns, violent crime has continued to rise.

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Yeah, and since the consumption of ice cream and the murder rates both go up in summer, we should ban ice cream.

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The plain truth is that crime has not gone down, and certain types of crime jumped up dramatically, both in England and Aus.

You guys give me the shits. Can you bloody stick to your focking gun debate in the US and leave the rest of us alone?

The vast majority of both the Brits and us down under are very happy with our gun control laws.

A couple of month ago you gun freaks spread some BS regarding crime in the UK and gun control. I did spend considerable time proofing that these claims were complete BS - but you guys carry on none the less.

In regard to this BS thread. As mentioned the "memo" is BS the stats are BS and by the way the gun law changes happened in 1996/97 so this is at least 6 years old.

I live in a city with 3.5 Million (Melbourne) - give me any stats on crime - any crime - for a city in the USA of similar size and I will proof to you by offical stats that our crime rate - especially violent crime and murder is a fraction of that of a US city of the same size.

So stick to your domestic debate and leave the rest of us alone. We don't have a real gun debate here - neither has the UK - because such a large majority is happy with our laws. And if you came down here and lived for a while you would understand that in NO way can you use us for a pro-gun argument.

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[kallend 2,148]

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come on, professor, you know better than to use a single data point to make a generalization.

Get your facts straight - I didn't make a generalization, I presented a data point to refute a generalization.

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