Why alcohol should be illegal

[rehmwa 2]

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Boredom from getting stuck behind old guys wearing hats

I thought I was the only one to have noticed the relation between hats and driving.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Let's see. Today I've already consume a coffee and some chocolate (hmmm ... yummy ... and I've got a good coffee/sugar buzz going) and I may just go off to the local liquor store later to get some alcohol. Who knows maybe a bowl is also in my future? All things that a good mormon (or was that moron) would disagree with. And then tomorrow I may go off to the DZ to get some jumps in and who knows what may transpire? I may just strap my video camera on and do something "dangerous" like jump out of an airplane and test gravity. Am I the only one here getting tired of the safety nazis impossing their will on everyone else regardless of how responsible/irresponsible we are?

Question: so why do you want to change everyone into something that you are? (I'm guessing for religious reasons ... but I could be wrong) Why do you choose to judge people different from yourself? Must everyone subsribe to your morals? Oh and while we're on it, what other plans do you have to change society so that we're all like you? News flash ... it will never happen.

Good god I never thought I'd see the day when a skydiver tells other skydivers that alcohol should be banned. That surely makes for a boring DZ once the last load of the day has been sent up.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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I'm thinking the original post is missing a winking smiley.

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[freethefly 6]

Some good responses to my original post. It appears that those who replied are more in favor of education over more legislation. I very seldom have a beer anymore as my past behavoir when drinking is a good indicator that alcohol is not for me. For the record, I am not in favor of strick policy, if the offense did not harm anyone. Drink, drive and kill or harm someone is another matter and one that needs more attention too. It is very true that kids can obtain alcohol fairly easy. But i would not go for lowering the legal age limit. Nor am I for raising it. Raising the limit would only create a new class of criminals such as the "marijuana tax stamp act" did. Regardless of the law most people would persue something if they like it enough. Outlaw skydiving and you would create a whole new class of outlaws. Hell, I would risk prison for one more jump. But I wonder why society as a whole is willing to turn their head when it comes to drinking in general? Is it because of an onslaught of advertising that only shows the "beautiful people" having the kind of "good times" that can only be achieved through alcohol. What if they had a commercial that depict a person who is drunk and belligerant? Or, one that depicts the morning after? Never have I seen any commercial by the alcohol industry that depicts the true nature of alcohol consumption. I have, however, seen commercials that depicts marijuana as the greatest evil of all time solely because the government says it is and to legalize it for medical or recreational purpose would send the wrong message to the children.(I fully expect Drunk Monkey to hop all over that). Of course shoving ritalin down their throats to keep them in line sends the right message. All in all, I fully believe that even greater education would not solve the problem of alcohol abuse. Some people are destine to be alcoholic. I myself is one of those.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[rehmwa 2]

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All things that a good mormon (or was that moron) would disagree with......Question: so why do you want to change everyone into something that you are? (I'm guessing for religious reasons ... but I could be wrong)

anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
any Mormons in here?

Cripes, Billvon would like to change everyone into an environmental type based on his example, but you don't call him out as a "religious" nut.

I loath smoking to an unreasonably unfair point, apparently my apathetic version of agnosticism made me do it. Help me if I came up with it on my own based on the asthma and migraines and stink of it.

Oh my god, as a direct result of the Crusades, alcohol is a bad thing!! If only some ambiguous leader would formally apologize for it, we could all go back to jello shooters. {{Mmmmmm}}

Didn't we just do the "unreasonably spiteful against religious types even though the base issue can be attributed to extremists in any organization" thread?

Now that's good Nutella.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[freethefly 6]

You think right Personally I have no problem with people who drink. They are ofton a good source of amusement when I am stoned

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[RoadRash 0]

I have one word for ya...


Prohibition...


That is all...


~R+R...Didn't work then...why would it work now?!?

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[freethefly 6]

Burn a bowl with ya on any day. I would also laugh, laugh and laugh if ya were to get drunk and fall down. Oh, by the way, I am not religous, I am agnostic.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[JohnRich 4]

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alcohol should be taken out of society all together.

Ted Kennedy would never vote for it.

In the U.S., the principal types of accidental deaths in 1994 were:

Motor vehicles ...........  43,000

Falls ....................  13,300

Poison ...................   8,000

Fire .....................   4,200

Drowning .................   4,000

Choking ..................   3,000

Guns .....................   1,500

Suffocation (gases) ......     700 

All other * ..............  14,500

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Total:  92,200


* "All other" includes medical complications, machinery, air

and water transport accidents, and freezing. 


(National Safety Council, "Accident Facts", 

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/af1998.htm) 

Alcohol is responsible for about one-third of motor vehicle accidents.

But you've got a lot of other work to do also, according to the above list. Heck, you're going to have to ban tall objects, cleaning fluids and bug sprays, matches and lighters, and bodies of water.

Phew, you better get started!

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Burn a bowl with ya on any day. I would also laugh, laugh and laugh if ya were to get drunk and fall down. Oh, by the way, I am not religous, I am agnostic.

LOL ... I was a little harsh on you there as I assumed a few things about yours truly (I know don't assume things otherwise you make an ass out of you and me). I agree that alcohol is NOT for everyone and in some cases great harm does occur because of it. But like any controversial topic (drugs, alcohol, guns, religion, sports like jumping etc, etc, etc) it's the extremes which are the problem. General usage and respect is not to be feared.

Oh and I couldn't wait for the bowl. It went down well. Now what else should I do with myself now that I'm not working. Hmmm ... getting off of the computer would be a step in the right direction.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[murps2000 86]

I'd have to agree with you there. The statistics are bad- but for those of us who fly high performance canopies responsibly, why should we have to pay the price for the idiots of the world?
Maybe stronger and harsher penalties would help- maybe they won't- but a wing-loading BSR is not the answer.

[Kennedy 0]

I've just been laughing at the perfect parallels between this and any gun thread.

A few people want to ban everyone from something based on the problems caused by a few, and they cherry picked their statistics.

Everyone else wants freedom to choose, a little more education, want the mysticism taken out, and the socialists to buzz off.

But "it's for the children."

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[Zenister 0]

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I agree that alcohol is NOT for everyone and in some cases great harm does occur because of it.

unfortunately i know many people who are very mean drunks, for the most part they recognize this about themselves and avoid alcohol for recreational use in favor of more amiable intoxicants...

also equally unfortunately some policies would rather they drink, fight, get stupid and break themselves doing things they wouldnt consider under any 'other' influence.....

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[jdfreefly 1]

Thats nothing, there is a group out there where people recklessly endager themselves and others. About 1 in 1000 die every year in a violent accident.

They call themselves skydivers. We need to stop the carnage people. Elect people that will put an end to all this needless death. We could easily regulate this sport out of existance. After that, I say we go after the skiers!

Methane Freefly - got stink?

[freethefly 6]

Go after the skiers first. Those folks are just plain fucking insane. What kind of lunatic would hurl theirself down a snow covered slope with nothing between them and the ground but a couple of sticks strapped to their freaking feet! Once their kind is rounded up the rest of us should be able to rest a little easier knowing that such behavoir will not be tolerated in a society that is based on a foundation of law set forth by a government that has your best interest in mind. Now this crap about going after skydivers, well now, that is just plain crazy.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[ianmdrennan 2]

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I'd lower the drinking age to 14 and raise the driving age to 21. Then kids have 7 years to get over the "drinking is cool" thing before they get behind the wheel.

I agree 100%.

In South Africa, while the legal drinking age is 18 (and driving age), just about anyone who's 15/16 can walk into a bar and get a drink. Why, cause no one really cares. It's not taboo.

The result I found to be exactly like you said. A LOT get the stupidity out of their system before they can drive. I know I did.

Blues,
Ian

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[Erroll 80]

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I'd lower the drinking age to 14 and raise the driving age to 21. Then kids have 7 years to get over the "drinking is cool" thing before they get behind the wheel.

I agree 100%.

In South Africa, while the legal drinking age is 18 (and driving age), just about anyone who's 15/16 can walk into a bar and get a drink. Why, cause no one really cares. It's not taboo.

The result I found to be exactly like you said. A LOT get the stupidity out of their system before they can drive. I know I did.

Blues,
Ian

Ian, while I agree with both yourself and John in principle, underage drinking has become a major problem here. As a matter of fact, in this morning's Citizen there is an article about just this subject.
I think most sensible people will agree that it is going to be impossible to ban alcohol altogether. As with everything else, including wingloadings, the solution lies in education. In the case of substance abuse, that education should start in the home. As you pointed out, no one cares, and in my opinion that is where the problem lies. Many parents all over the Western world have abdicated their roles as primary educators and have left that responsibility up to the teachers, cops, shopping mall attendants and bartenders.

[mnealtx 0]

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Changing the law won't prevent under age people from drinking.

Instead of looking to the government, parents need to teach their children how to act responsibly.

[sarcasm] What??? Parents aren't teaching their kids responsibility?? Somebody ought to make a law about that....
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[skydiverton 0]

Hey this discussion is not funny any more.

Alcohol is the solution for all my problems.
A bottle of beer is my best friend

I have a drinking problem because I have 2 hands and only one mouth.

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Especially when you are jumping a sport rig

[beowulf 1]

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Changing the law won't prevent under age people from drinking.

Instead of looking to the government, parents need to teach their children how to act responsibly.

[sarcasm] What??? Parents aren't teaching their kids responsibility?? Somebody ought to make a law about that....
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But who is going to teach the Parents to be more responsible?

There are a lot of people out there that are not responsible enough to raise children. But there is no way to stop them from having kids or force them to raise their kids with discipline or even make sure their kids are educated.
There is no solution! Life goes on.

Education only works for those willing to be educated. How many people have you met that are not willing to learn something new? I have met lots of people that are stuck in their ways and have no interest in learning. You can't teach someone who is not willing to learn.

[jumpjunkie2004 0]

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There are a lot of people out there that are not responsible enough to raise children

I completely agree. I see it everywhere I go. As a parent of two children, I've encountered a number of parents that are not involved with their children nor do they care to take on the challenges of parenthood.

I volunteer at my daughter's school three days a week and I get to work with the kids that have learning "issues". Some of them are children with real challenges (learning disabilities), but some of them are behind because their parents don't take an active roll. The kids are on their own.

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There is no solution!

Maybe our government should distribute the morning after pill - free of charge. Just think of how much money our government would save in the long run..

Jump, Land, Pack, Repeat...

[dropoutdave 0]

Send em back to school!!!

http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,675002,00.html

This has been in since 2002 apparently but not much has come of it so far with only 200 parents being made to go to parenting lessons since it was introduced.

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