Gravitymaster 0 #101 May 4, 2005 QuoteNo where did I read where he said no, no where did I read he attempted to stop her, so technicually no it isnt rape. and yes if he or she in that matter enjoyed it then it cant be rape, if a girl likes to be spanked but it hurts but she enjoyed it does that make it sexual assualt NOPE it doesnt. A person can not "get off" without enjoyment, I think this is a case of Ouch that coffee is hot just like I thought it would be , here let me sue We have learned in this thread so far that there is only chocolate and vanilla. Which do you prefer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #102 May 4, 2005 strawberrySudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #103 May 4, 2005 Quotestrawberry Me too. but apparently that's not an option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #104 May 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo... Do you have a lot of "I'm kinkier than you" discussions? yea its been known to happen... meet a girl in a bar, start talking to her, some other guy overhears part of the conversation and chimes in with "yea?well I....." Hmm, I don't think I've ever had a guy hit on me by coming up to me in a bar and start telling me what kind of kinky stuff he's into... more of a conversational drift... lately i've discovered myself in the middle of some of the strangest coversations with people i just met...but then maybe i'm hanging out in the wrong (or right) kinds of bars....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #105 May 4, 2005 this is america, there is always an option... I want strawberry and if I dont get it I will sue... Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #106 May 4, 2005 >if a girl likes to be spanked but it hurts but she enjoyed it does >that make it sexual assualt NOPE it doesnt. Absolutely it does. Let's say a woman (we'll call her Joan) likes to be spanked. A drunk frat guy finds out about that, grabs her, pulls her across his lap, and spanks her for ten minutes. She is appalled. She yells, but he figures that's cause she likes it. It's assault. >A person can not "get off" without enjoyment . . . Orgasm (and indeed much of sexual response) is hardwired into us. It is not under conscious control. Again, imagine that a friend of yours was raped one day, and the rapist's defense was that "hey, she got wet, therefore she liked it, therefore it's not rape." Would that fly with you or with her? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #107 May 4, 2005 Quote>if a girl likes to be spanked but it hurts but she enjoyed it does >that make it sexual assualt NOPE it doesnt. QuoteAbsolutely it does. Let's say a woman (we'll call her Joan) likes to be spanked. A drunk frat guy finds out about that, grabs her, pulls her across his lap, and spanks her for ten minutes. She is appalled. She yells, but he figures that's cause she likes it. It's assault. You are missing her point. Lets suppose you wake up with a woman blowing you. You allow her to continue because it feels good. You cannot later claim it was rape because you didn't give her permission before she started. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #108 May 4, 2005 >Lets suppose you wake up with a woman blowing you. You allow her >to continue because it feels good. You cannot later claim it was rape >because you didn't give her permission before she started. If you wake up, lie back and go 'aahh' then yes, that's implicit consent. That's all a part of communication between the people involved. There has to be consent, whether explicit or implicit. Whether or not there was implicit consent is what constitutes the core of most date-rape trials, so it's worth being clear about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #109 May 4, 2005 Quote>Lets suppose you wake up with a woman blowing you. You allow her >to continue because it feels good. You cannot later claim it was rape >because you didn't give her permission before she started. If you wake up, lie back and go 'aahh' then yes, that's implicit consent. That's all a part of communication between the people involved. There has to be consent, whether explicit or implicit. Whether or not there was implicit consent is what constitutes the core of most date-rape trials, so it's worth being clear about it. It could be argued that you weren't giving permission. You just stated that sexuality was hard-wired into us and the fact that someone enjoys a sexaual act doesn't necessarily mean consent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #110 May 4, 2005 QuoteWe have learned in this thread so far that there is only chocolate and vanilla. Which do you prefer? I prefer Rocky Road myself, which I suppose is a variation on plain chocolate. But what does chocolate or vanilla have to do with whether someone was _legally_ raped or not (without any type of consent)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #111 May 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe have learned in this thread so far that there is only chocolate and vanilla. Which do you prefer? I prefer Rocky Road myself, which I suppose is a variation on plain chocolate. But what does chocolate or vanilla have to do with whether someone was _legally_ raped or not (without any type of consent)? I love Rocky Road. Have you ever had Moosetracks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #112 May 4, 2005 QuoteI love Rocky Road. Have you ever had Moosetracks? No, I haven't. Sounds like it might be a little too adventurous for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #113 May 4, 2005 >It could be argued that you weren't giving permission. Indeed it could be. As I mentioned, that argument is the core of most date-rape trials. Did he have the option and ability to say no? And did he decline to do so? If yes, then (generally) he has given implied consent. >You just stated that sexuality was hard-wired into us and the fact that >someone enjoys a sexaual act doesn't necessarily mean consent. That is 100% true. Saying "she has rape fantasies, and so she liked being raped" is not a defense a rapist can use. Even if she was turned on at some physical level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #114 May 4, 2005 I hate to point out you being slightly wrong, yes arousal is hard wired, our body gets aroused because of the natural instint to keep the race alive. HOWEVER arousal comes from blood flow , i can be the first to guarentee if I try to have sex and no matter how much I want to , if the guy isnt doing it right it just isnt going to work. If a person is not enjoying something to the point that fear and feelings of being raped are on the mind they will not get off. If the words no or some variation were not spoken it is not rape. If the person physicually enjoyed it, it is not rape, if you have had sexual contact with a person before, then get woken up with a bj it should be considered consensual, for the several years I was married I never got his permission prior to one does this mean my ex husband can now say I raped him? This man was not raped, this was clearly abuse of the system, woman abuse the system as well. No means no, if you dont say no or take action to show you dont want something then that is the own persons fault. Now if there was a gun to his head when he woke up and the woman said "dont say a word or ill shoot" then okay it was rape.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #115 May 4, 2005 If the person physicually enjoyed it, it is not rape, if you have had sexual contact with a person before, then get woken up with a bj it should be considered consensual*** Sorry, but the issue of enjoying physical stimulation isn't as black and white as you propose, especially with men. It's very easy for a man to physiologically enjoy sexually stimulation while still harboring conflicting feelings about the action being performed. This is harder for women to understand I think. Sure stimulation feels good, even if it is unwanted. And the second part of your sentence... so just b/c you had consensual sex in the past, you now have free license? The partner doesn't have the right to say no in any place in time after a consentual act has occurred? Well that makes no sense at all. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #116 May 4, 2005 Sinker, I dont remember saying that if they had consenual sex in the past they cant say no, but it is implied that it would consensual unless someone says no, after all they are in a commited and or sexual realionship. I think you might need to reread my post without jumping to conclusions and taking it for what it says. Life is not black or white, and maybe a man can be raped but that guy never said no. They had had sexual contact in the past, it seems that it was implied consent since he never said NO STOP , PLEASEE DONT BLOW ME ... What I write is what I mean, please do not discourage me from posting. If I say I think this, it is my opinion and regardless my opinion is my opinion, now dont go buying stock cause I think that purple bacon would be a good trade, but do not imply that my feelings/ opinions are wrong. A persons opinion is like there feelings they may not be right but its what it is. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and realize people will never always agree.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #117 May 4, 2005 QuoteSinker, I dont remember saying that if they had consenual sex in the past they cant say no, but it is implied that it would consensual unless someone says no, after all they are in a commited and or sexual realionship. I think you might need to reread my post without jumping to conclusions and taking it for what it says. Life is not black or white, and maybe a man can be raped but that guy never said no. They had had sexual contact in the past, it seems that it was implied consent since he never said NO STOP , PLEASEE DONT BLOW ME ... What I write is what I mean, please do not discourage me from posting. If I say I think this, it is my opinion and regardless my opinion is my opinion, now dont go buying stock cause I think that purple bacon would be a good trade, but do not imply that my feelings/ opinions are wrong. A persons opinion is like there feelings they may not be right but its what it is. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and realize people will never always agree. wtf? discourage you from posting? this is a forum for debating hun... if you don't like people disagreeing w/ you, well... you won't have much fun here. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #118 May 4, 2005 Quote>It could be argued that you weren't giving permission. Indeed it could be. As I mentioned, that argument is the core of most date-rape trials. Did he have the option and ability to say no? And did he decline to do so? If yes, then (generally) he has given implied consent. >You just stated that sexuality was hard-wired into us and the fact that >someone enjoys a sexaual act doesn't necessarily mean consent. That is 100% true. Saying "she has rape fantasies, and so she liked being raped" is not a defense a rapist can use. Even if she was turned on at some physical level. And what starts out as non-consensual can become consensual at sometime during the act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #119 May 4, 2005 lol debates should not include taking someones posts, changing them around and well basicually lying about what is said, if you quote something wrong you are lying, this isnt an election. Discourage from posting because you instead of debating like an adult, ...nevermind... anyways, Ill be nice, it is obvious the type of person someone is by how they react to things. Wow.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #120 May 4, 2005 Quote.... it is obvious the type of person someone is by how they react to things. Wow. Uh-huh. pot...kettle linz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinker 0 #121 May 4, 2005 Quotelol debates should not include taking someones posts, changing them around and well basicually lying about what is said, if you quote something wrong you are lyingQuote here is what you said... if you have had sexual contact with a person before, then get woken up with a bj it should be considered consensual,Quote here is what I said... so just b/c you had consensual sex in the past, you now have free license? The partner doesn't have the right to say no in any place in time after a consentual act has occurred? Quote please point out to me how I'm distorting what you said, how I'm lying, how I'm not debating like an adult. you said... it is obvious the type of person someone is by how they react to things. Wow.*** and how did I react to things? by trying to point out the fallacy I think exists in your line of reasoning... like linz said, something about a pot and a kettle come to mind. back to the argument at hand, well, at mouth as it were, is the following scenario... guy is sleeping. woman gives man oral sex... while guy is sleeping... guy experiences arousal --WHILE STILL SLEEPING-- happens ALL the time... guy wakes up to the experience of sexual gratification but did not ask for it nor does he want it. Girl made big, unwarranted assumption that oral sex was ok to give while he was sleeping, even if he had consented to some form of sexual activity BEFORE falling asleep. Consent for that act ended by the time he fell asleep. She might have assumed that his consent would have continued, but she was wrong. An analogy... guy and girl get stoned. Guy passes out... girl stays awake. Girl administers more drugs to guy while sleeping, assuming that if awake, since he already did drugs, he'd like to do some more. Guy wakes up, more stoned than when he fell asleep, and is pissed off at girl. Did she commit a crime? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #122 May 4, 2005 > I hate to point out you being slightly wrong, yes arousal is hard wired, >our body gets aroused because of the natural instint to keep the race > alive. HOWEVER arousal comes from blood flow , i can be the first to > guarentee if I try to have sex and no matter how much I want to , if the > guy isnt doing it right it just isnt going to work. 100% true. You cannot control it. >If a person is not enjoying something to the point that fear and >feelings of being raped are on the mind they will not get off. That's NOT true for either men or women. Men get erections (i.e. show basic signs of arousal) in inappropriate situations all the time, even if they do not want to and have no real interest in the situation. The same thing happens to women. Getting an erection when a doctor is giving you a hernia exam does not necessarily mean you want to have sex with him; a woman who becomes aroused when riding a horse is not necessarily into bestiality. And in both cases it's generally impossible to stop no matter how uncomfortable, embarassed or ashamed you are of the reaction. >If the words no or some variation were not spoken it is not rape. Agreed - if the person is free to speak them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #123 May 4, 2005 >And what starts out as non-consensual can become consensual >at sometime during the act. Agreed. But now you're talking about seduction rather than consent. If one of the people says 'stop' (or whatever they use instead) and the other person doesn't, that's when it becomes a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #124 May 4, 2005 you can stop from orgasiming (sp) i do it all the time, just think of bumble bees, ill experience or thought process can and will stop. At least for a woman, and if he didnt want it then he should have said NO , or pushed her off of him,Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #125 May 4, 2005 so then you agree since the guy never tried to stop her, but smiled instead, then this is not a case of rape?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 5 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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billvon 3,116 #108 May 4, 2005 >Lets suppose you wake up with a woman blowing you. You allow her >to continue because it feels good. You cannot later claim it was rape >because you didn't give her permission before she started. If you wake up, lie back and go 'aahh' then yes, that's implicit consent. That's all a part of communication between the people involved. There has to be consent, whether explicit or implicit. Whether or not there was implicit consent is what constitutes the core of most date-rape trials, so it's worth being clear about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #109 May 4, 2005 Quote>Lets suppose you wake up with a woman blowing you. You allow her >to continue because it feels good. You cannot later claim it was rape >because you didn't give her permission before she started. If you wake up, lie back and go 'aahh' then yes, that's implicit consent. That's all a part of communication between the people involved. There has to be consent, whether explicit or implicit. Whether or not there was implicit consent is what constitutes the core of most date-rape trials, so it's worth being clear about it. It could be argued that you weren't giving permission. You just stated that sexuality was hard-wired into us and the fact that someone enjoys a sexaual act doesn't necessarily mean consent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #110 May 4, 2005 QuoteWe have learned in this thread so far that there is only chocolate and vanilla. Which do you prefer? I prefer Rocky Road myself, which I suppose is a variation on plain chocolate. But what does chocolate or vanilla have to do with whether someone was _legally_ raped or not (without any type of consent)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #111 May 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe have learned in this thread so far that there is only chocolate and vanilla. Which do you prefer? I prefer Rocky Road myself, which I suppose is a variation on plain chocolate. But what does chocolate or vanilla have to do with whether someone was _legally_ raped or not (without any type of consent)? I love Rocky Road. Have you ever had Moosetracks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #112 May 4, 2005 QuoteI love Rocky Road. Have you ever had Moosetracks? No, I haven't. Sounds like it might be a little too adventurous for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #113 May 4, 2005 >It could be argued that you weren't giving permission. Indeed it could be. As I mentioned, that argument is the core of most date-rape trials. Did he have the option and ability to say no? And did he decline to do so? If yes, then (generally) he has given implied consent. >You just stated that sexuality was hard-wired into us and the fact that >someone enjoys a sexaual act doesn't necessarily mean consent. That is 100% true. Saying "she has rape fantasies, and so she liked being raped" is not a defense a rapist can use. Even if she was turned on at some physical level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #114 May 4, 2005 I hate to point out you being slightly wrong, yes arousal is hard wired, our body gets aroused because of the natural instint to keep the race alive. HOWEVER arousal comes from blood flow , i can be the first to guarentee if I try to have sex and no matter how much I want to , if the guy isnt doing it right it just isnt going to work. If a person is not enjoying something to the point that fear and feelings of being raped are on the mind they will not get off. If the words no or some variation were not spoken it is not rape. If the person physicually enjoyed it, it is not rape, if you have had sexual contact with a person before, then get woken up with a bj it should be considered consensual, for the several years I was married I never got his permission prior to one does this mean my ex husband can now say I raped him? This man was not raped, this was clearly abuse of the system, woman abuse the system as well. No means no, if you dont say no or take action to show you dont want something then that is the own persons fault. Now if there was a gun to his head when he woke up and the woman said "dont say a word or ill shoot" then okay it was rape.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #115 May 4, 2005 If the person physicually enjoyed it, it is not rape, if you have had sexual contact with a person before, then get woken up with a bj it should be considered consensual*** Sorry, but the issue of enjoying physical stimulation isn't as black and white as you propose, especially with men. It's very easy for a man to physiologically enjoy sexually stimulation while still harboring conflicting feelings about the action being performed. This is harder for women to understand I think. Sure stimulation feels good, even if it is unwanted. And the second part of your sentence... so just b/c you had consensual sex in the past, you now have free license? The partner doesn't have the right to say no in any place in time after a consentual act has occurred? Well that makes no sense at all. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #116 May 4, 2005 Sinker, I dont remember saying that if they had consenual sex in the past they cant say no, but it is implied that it would consensual unless someone says no, after all they are in a commited and or sexual realionship. I think you might need to reread my post without jumping to conclusions and taking it for what it says. Life is not black or white, and maybe a man can be raped but that guy never said no. They had had sexual contact in the past, it seems that it was implied consent since he never said NO STOP , PLEASEE DONT BLOW ME ... What I write is what I mean, please do not discourage me from posting. If I say I think this, it is my opinion and regardless my opinion is my opinion, now dont go buying stock cause I think that purple bacon would be a good trade, but do not imply that my feelings/ opinions are wrong. A persons opinion is like there feelings they may not be right but its what it is. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and realize people will never always agree.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #117 May 4, 2005 QuoteSinker, I dont remember saying that if they had consenual sex in the past they cant say no, but it is implied that it would consensual unless someone says no, after all they are in a commited and or sexual realionship. I think you might need to reread my post without jumping to conclusions and taking it for what it says. Life is not black or white, and maybe a man can be raped but that guy never said no. They had had sexual contact in the past, it seems that it was implied consent since he never said NO STOP , PLEASEE DONT BLOW ME ... What I write is what I mean, please do not discourage me from posting. If I say I think this, it is my opinion and regardless my opinion is my opinion, now dont go buying stock cause I think that purple bacon would be a good trade, but do not imply that my feelings/ opinions are wrong. A persons opinion is like there feelings they may not be right but its what it is. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and realize people will never always agree. wtf? discourage you from posting? this is a forum for debating hun... if you don't like people disagreeing w/ you, well... you won't have much fun here. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #118 May 4, 2005 Quote>It could be argued that you weren't giving permission. Indeed it could be. As I mentioned, that argument is the core of most date-rape trials. Did he have the option and ability to say no? And did he decline to do so? If yes, then (generally) he has given implied consent. >You just stated that sexuality was hard-wired into us and the fact that >someone enjoys a sexaual act doesn't necessarily mean consent. That is 100% true. Saying "she has rape fantasies, and so she liked being raped" is not a defense a rapist can use. Even if she was turned on at some physical level. And what starts out as non-consensual can become consensual at sometime during the act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #119 May 4, 2005 lol debates should not include taking someones posts, changing them around and well basicually lying about what is said, if you quote something wrong you are lying, this isnt an election. Discourage from posting because you instead of debating like an adult, ...nevermind... anyways, Ill be nice, it is obvious the type of person someone is by how they react to things. Wow.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #120 May 4, 2005 Quote.... it is obvious the type of person someone is by how they react to things. Wow. Uh-huh. pot...kettle linz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #121 May 4, 2005 Quotelol debates should not include taking someones posts, changing them around and well basicually lying about what is said, if you quote something wrong you are lyingQuote here is what you said... if you have had sexual contact with a person before, then get woken up with a bj it should be considered consensual,Quote here is what I said... so just b/c you had consensual sex in the past, you now have free license? The partner doesn't have the right to say no in any place in time after a consentual act has occurred? Quote please point out to me how I'm distorting what you said, how I'm lying, how I'm not debating like an adult. you said... it is obvious the type of person someone is by how they react to things. Wow.*** and how did I react to things? by trying to point out the fallacy I think exists in your line of reasoning... like linz said, something about a pot and a kettle come to mind. back to the argument at hand, well, at mouth as it were, is the following scenario... guy is sleeping. woman gives man oral sex... while guy is sleeping... guy experiences arousal --WHILE STILL SLEEPING-- happens ALL the time... guy wakes up to the experience of sexual gratification but did not ask for it nor does he want it. Girl made big, unwarranted assumption that oral sex was ok to give while he was sleeping, even if he had consented to some form of sexual activity BEFORE falling asleep. Consent for that act ended by the time he fell asleep. She might have assumed that his consent would have continued, but she was wrong. An analogy... guy and girl get stoned. Guy passes out... girl stays awake. Girl administers more drugs to guy while sleeping, assuming that if awake, since he already did drugs, he'd like to do some more. Guy wakes up, more stoned than when he fell asleep, and is pissed off at girl. Did she commit a crime? -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #122 May 4, 2005 > I hate to point out you being slightly wrong, yes arousal is hard wired, >our body gets aroused because of the natural instint to keep the race > alive. HOWEVER arousal comes from blood flow , i can be the first to > guarentee if I try to have sex and no matter how much I want to , if the > guy isnt doing it right it just isnt going to work. 100% true. You cannot control it. >If a person is not enjoying something to the point that fear and >feelings of being raped are on the mind they will not get off. That's NOT true for either men or women. Men get erections (i.e. show basic signs of arousal) in inappropriate situations all the time, even if they do not want to and have no real interest in the situation. The same thing happens to women. Getting an erection when a doctor is giving you a hernia exam does not necessarily mean you want to have sex with him; a woman who becomes aroused when riding a horse is not necessarily into bestiality. And in both cases it's generally impossible to stop no matter how uncomfortable, embarassed or ashamed you are of the reaction. >If the words no or some variation were not spoken it is not rape. Agreed - if the person is free to speak them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #123 May 4, 2005 >And what starts out as non-consensual can become consensual >at sometime during the act. Agreed. But now you're talking about seduction rather than consent. If one of the people says 'stop' (or whatever they use instead) and the other person doesn't, that's when it becomes a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #124 May 4, 2005 you can stop from orgasiming (sp) i do it all the time, just think of bumble bees, ill experience or thought process can and will stop. At least for a woman, and if he didnt want it then he should have said NO , or pushed her off of him,Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #125 May 4, 2005 so then you agree since the guy never tried to stop her, but smiled instead, then this is not a case of rape?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
