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My post at 1st has nothing to do with bow hunting, which is dangerous as well as shooting, and at 2nd MY question now is: Where do you draw the line at kids? You know, near kids really means: near kids. And not hunters below 21 yrs.

Bow hunting was brought up to show you how rediculous your statement is. Although I know you will never quite understand that.

For instance, weapons near kids reminds me of my childhood. My dad taught me to shoot, at a pretty young age. He started me with a pellet rifle, then a .22, then on from there. From a young age I learned proper safety and handling. It has made me a much safer person overall in my life. It also "gun proofed" me as a child. I knew what to do around a weapon if a friend had one, or had gotten one from somewhere.

It also taught me a strong respect of weapons, not fear as you seem to have, but a true respect.


I guess I shouldn't mention that since I had a good weekend and made a little extra money I was able to go to the range today...although I was only able to afford to shoot 200rds today. Atleast I got to shoot my .45.

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In my state, Tennessee, there are many things that are looked for when someone applies for a concealed carry permit, i.e. a license to carry a gun, such as:

-never been convicted of a felony
-never guilty of domestic assault
-not addicted to drugs/alcohol
-never been committed to mental hospital
-not a fugitive of justice

there are more, but those are just off the top of my head.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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Come to Arizona - there are at least three people that live in Casa Grande that scare the shit out of me because they have a huge ass revolver on their hip. I wonder sometimes if they can even draw and take aim without having a stroke.

Do they scare you b/c they simply HAVE the weapon? Or is it b/c, as you say, they act like assholes? If it's the later, understandable it is, but if it's the former, then getting over your fear of guns is the remedy. It's easy really, and well worth doing.

I have no fear of guns. I was raised with guns and have several guns myself.

What I'm afraid of are these frail assholes that anyone could walk up to and take the weapon from.

I'm serious, one guy totes around an oxygen bottle on a cart and has a .357 magnum on his hip. If he draws, everyone in the area is at risk.

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My post at 1st has nothing to do with bow hunting, which is dangerous as well as shooting, and at 2nd MY question now is: Where do you draw the line at kids? You know, near kids really means: near kids. And not hunters below 21 yrs.

Bow hunting was brought up to show you how rediculous your statement is. Although I know you will never quite understand that.

For instance, weapons near kids reminds me of my childhood. My dad taught me to shoot, at a pretty young age. He started me with a pellet rifle, then a .22, then on from there. From a young age I learned proper safety and handling. It has made me a much safer person overall in my life. It also "gun proofed" me as a child. I knew what to do around a weapon if a friend had one, or had gotten one from somewhere.

It also taught me a strong respect of weapons, not fear as you seem to have, but a true respect.


I guess I shouldn't mention that since I had a good weekend and made a little extra money I was able to go to the range today...although I was only able to afford to shoot 200rds today. Atleast I got to shoot my .45.

I agree w/ you Dave. My dad was a cop most of my life and he taught me very healthy respect for guns, esp. his sidearm, which he had in his gun belt, hung over the door to his bedroom, every night. It was never put up, never stored unloaded, and my sister and I NEVER TOUCHED IT, b/c he demystified guns for us and showed us what they can do to humans (see that watermelon over there? BOOM! No more watermelon... don't touch my gun, m'k?)

Incidentally, what kind of 45 do you have?

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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I like watermelon.

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I have no fear of guns. I was raised with guns and have several guns myself.

What I'm afraid of are these frail assholes that anyone could walk up to and take the weapon from.

I'm serious, one guy totes around an oxygen bottle on a cart and has a .357 magnum on his hip. If he draws, everyone in the area is at risk.

I hope I didn't sound patronizing before, wasn't intended as such.

That is indeed a scary image you painted of the old man w/ O2 and a 357... yikes...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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I never understood that easy going way to handle guns/handguns for every Joe in the street like it's done in the US.

Where were you when you saw so many people with guns? Other than in very rural areas, I've never seen anyone outside there own home with a gun, and that's here in Texas.

I saw them in NYC. I saw them in Chicago. I read their proud statements on DZ.com talking about that they always carry a handgun daily. Check by yourself. It seems to be normal for them like for me beeing equipped with my mobile and the car key.

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That is indeed a scary image you painted of the old man w/ O2 and a 357... yikes...

His only hope is to make sure the first round hits the mark because the recoil is going to break his arm.

I've seen several people like that and think - maybe gun control isn't such a bad idea after all....

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I never understood that easy going way to handle guns/handguns for every Joe in the street like it's done in the US.

Where were you when you saw so many people with guns? Other than in very rural areas, I've never seen anyone outside there own home with a gun, and that's here in Texas.

I saw them in NYC. I saw them in Chicago. I read their proud statements on DZ.com talking about that they always carry a handgun daily. Check by yourself. It seems to be normal for them like for me beeing equipped with my mobile and the car key.

That's interesting considering that both places it is illegal to carry a gun. In fact, gun laws specifically in those two cities are some of the strictest in the country. Case in point, a man living in a Chicago suburb was actually jailed for shooting a burgler in HIS OWN HOME, which he did in order to protect himself, his wife and children.

Of course, I think the gun laws in places like that are unjust and one has no duty to obey an unjust law. The old saying is, I'd rather be judge by a jury of 12 than buried by 6...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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That is indeed a scary image you painted of the old man w/ O2 and a 357... yikes...

His only hope is to make sure the first round hits the mark because the recoil is going to break his arm.

I've seen several people like that and think - maybe gun control isn't such a bad idea after all....

reminds me of how I feel about the elderly driving also... there certainly should be competency standards.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[AggieDave 6]

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Incidentally, what kind of 45 do you have?

Similar to your own.

Kimber TLE/RL II Pro.

I had that on lay-away for a LONG time, but it was worth it.

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My post at 1st has nothing to do with bow hunting, which is dangerous as well as shooting, and at 2nd MY question now is: Where do you draw the line at kids? You know, near kids really means: near kids. And not hunters below 21 yrs.

Bow hunting was brought up to show you how rediculous your statement is. Although I know you will never quite understand that.

For instance, weapons near kids reminds me of my childhood. My dad taught me to shoot, at a pretty young age. He started me with a pellet rifle, then a .22, then on from there. From a young age I learned proper safety and handling. It has made me a much safer person overall in my life. It also "gun proofed" me as a child. I knew what to do around a weapon if a friend had one, or had gotten one from somewhere.

It also taught me a strong respect of weapons, not fear as you seem to have, but a true respect.


I guess I shouldn't mention that since I had a good weekend and made a little extra money I was able to go to the range today...although I was only able to afford to shoot 200rds today. Atleast I got to shoot my .45.

Interesting to read. I really can follow your ideas of enjoying your rounds. Whenever I have the chance, I do it by myself, too.
To tell the truth, I was 15 y/o when my father 1st time handed over a handgun to me (for sport shooting). He loved to shoot. So, let's say me too, I grew up with this but, still do not think it's our thing in Germany/Europe.

I still do believe the more more handguns/weapons are in hands or easy access to nearly everybody, the more will be killed. Not every gun owner is a nice guy like you seem to be. There are freaks everywhere around us.
Holy cow, half past midnight. I've got to go to sleep.

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[AggieDave 6]

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Holy cow, half past midnight. I've got to go to sleep.

Ok, das ist alles fur mir.

Once again it comes down to culture. Your culture isn't one of shooting and being around weapons. The US (especially in the south and TX) is, so its really hard to compare your childhood and experiences with how it happens over here.

Just like how really different our cultures are otherwise, with firearms its still just as different.

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Holy cow, half past midnight. I've got to go to sleep.

Ok, das ist alles fur mir.

Once again it comes down to culture. Your culture isn't one of shooting and being around weapons. The US (especially in the south and TX) is, so its really hard to compare your childhood and experiences with how it happens over here.

Just like how really different our cultures are otherwise, with firearms its still just as different.

Pefekt

Agreed to the rest.
And admit that I am looking forward to a nice hunt starting at May 15 on deer with my new Mauser98, cal. 30.06

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Incidentally, what kind of 45 do you have?

Similar to your own.

Kimber TLE/RL II Pro.

I had that on lay-away for a LONG time, but it was worth it.

very very nice... mine's the Utra Carry II stainless.
Kimbers just plain kick ass.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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very very nice... mine's the Utra Carry II stainless.
Kimbers just plain kick ass.

Yup, although my extractor is fucking up and I left it with my gunsmith after having extractor jams at the range. Kimber has a problem with the external extractors on some models...looks like once again in my life I'm the lucky asshole. Oh well, I still have my Glock 17 for personal defense...I know this weapon is VERY reliable. Over 14,000rds through it and only one stove pipe...that's it. Talk about building trust.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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very very nice... mine's the Utra Carry II stainless.
Kimbers just plain kick ass.

Another 1911 fan here although I do not have a Kimber. I looked at them but went with a SA Loaded Operator. Great gun also with a lifetime warrenty. It has fed everything I have threw at it so far. Thinking about getting a x200 surefire for the rail soon. Any ideas anyone on a holster(non ccw) for this gun? It's rail is full length and I have yet to find anything in stock to fit nice. I am thinking of having the rail cut down like the Kimber or SA TRP though.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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my new Mauser98, cal. 30.06

Why use a German rifle chambered in an American cartridge? Isn't 7.92 mm ("8 mm") still popular over there?

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Where were you when you saw so many people with guns? Other than in very rural areas, I've never seen anyone outside there own home with a gun, and that's here in Texas.

I saw them in NYC. I saw them in Chicago.

I'm calling "bullshit" on this one, christelsabine. It's against the law to carry guns in both of those places. You wouldn't have seen people carrying them around openly in those cities. Those two cities have some of the toughest laws against guns in the entire nation.

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very very nice... mine's the Utra Carry II stainless.
Kimbers just plain kick ass.

Yup, although my extractor is fucking up and I left it with my gunsmith after having extractor jams at the range. Kimber has a problem with the external extractors on some models...looks like once again in my life I'm the lucky asshole. Oh well, I still have my Glock 17 for personal defense...I know this weapon is VERY reliable. Over 14,000rds through it and only one stove pipe...that's it. Talk about building trust.

Aren't those "black guns" something? never owned one, i'm a lefty and the mag release cuts badly into the inside of my index finger. but shit, for the price, they are just phenomenal. i'm really thinking of getting one to put away for a "when the shit hits the fan" gun.

hey has there ever been a "post pics of your guns" thread? maybe i'll search for one...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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Some people just can't, don't, or won't understand why "prior restraint" gun laws are idiotic.

If everyone thinks drinking and carrying are a bad idea (does anyone not think so?), then doens't it make more sense to make it illegal to carry while intoxicated?

Why outlaw carrying in bars, restaurants, clubs, and such?

We don't outlaw going to a bar or restaurant and dribing, do we? No. We make it illegal to drive drunk. Is it so hard to see the simple and logical difference?

I guess it is for people against gun ownerhsip.

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I guess it is for people against gun ownerhsip. ***

we'll just leave that for them to ponder while we're off to the range...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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Sort of a "black gun" its the 4" brushingless barreled version of the 1911 that the LAPD SWAT Team had Kimber design for them.

All in all, even with the extractor problem, a badass weapon. Well worth the money and the sacrifices I had to make to afford it.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Sort of a "black gun" its the 4" brushingless barreled version of the 1911 that the LAPD SWAT Team had Kimber design for them.

All in all, even with the extractor problem, a badass weapon. Well worth the money and the sacrifices I had to make to afford it.

well, I was actually referring to the Glock as the "black gun" which is how it's referred to in various locals. for the money and reliability, they really are hard to beat...

but I'm very jealous of the Kimber you have... it truly rocks.

ya know, I've had some failure to extract probs w/ my kimber last time out at the range. I've been contemplating sending it to Wilson Combat for repair as well as to jazz it up a bit w/ some custom, upgraded parts.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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The justification used in the article for vetoing the bill amounts to basically lies.

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Gov. Janet Napolitano said no on Monday to mixing guns and alcohol in Arizona nightspots.

False. A careful reading of Arizona Revised Statutes, Title 13, Chapter 31 shows no law prohibiting carrying while intoxicated.They won't let you carry in a restaurant even if you don't drink, but I can find no law against carrying drunk.

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Napolitano rejected a bill that would have allowed patrons to carry loaded guns into bars, nightclubs and restaurants as long as the patrons didn't imbibe.

Someone please tell me why a sober person carrying in a restaurant that happens to serve drinks is a problem.

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Napolitano said she is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, but she chose to side with Arizona's tourism and hospitality industry, the powerful lifeblood of the state's economy, and with major law enforcement organizations. They all opposed the bill, saying it would invite deadly altercations.

More dire predictions with nothing to support their assertion that Arizona would somehow be different from other states that have had no problems.

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"Arizona's law enforcement organizations have consistently opposed this legislation, and their concerns have not been addressed by the sponsors of this bill," Napolitano wrote in her veto letter. "I am also sympathetic to the concerns of property owners, including the owners of bars and restaurants that would have been adversely affected by this bill."

That's an outright lie. Any property owner who doesn't want to allow carrying in his establishment merely needs to tell people or post a sign saying so. How could they be "adversely affected" when they still ahve full rights to control their property?

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But bar and restaurant owners such as Phil Miglino of Phoenix were ecstatic.

"We're happy she recognized that it's dangerous for our employees and for the industry as a whole," said Miglino, who owns Nixon's at the Esplanade. "It is also exciting for the recognition of the hospitality industry and how important it is to the state. You can't mess with the golden goose, which is tourism in Arizona."

Again, it is in no way dangerous because property owners are not required to allow carrying. If they don't want people to carry, then that is the end of it.

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Added Don Isaacson of the Arizona Restaurant Association, "We believe the state is safer today with the governor's veto."

I suppose Mr. Isaacson hasn't bothered ot educate himself to the fact that multiple victim shootings happen far more often in "gun-free" zones than in unrestircted-rights zones.

He also hasn't bothered to research concealed carry license holders, as they are far more law abiding than the average public, and in some places they are more law abiding than police officers.

Besides, the law breakers are already carrying into Arizona bars and restaurants. It's only the people who aren't a threat that are barred from carrying.


I suppose I shouldn't confuse them with the facts; they've already made up their minds.

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