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>But you're not going to get through it with anything other than a circular saw with an abrasive blade, a cutting torch, or an SUV and a long piece of chain. All of which would tend to alarm the neighbors.

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My shotgun was about $300. However, steel doors aren't an option in my apartment complex, so a shotgun loaded with stuff that will go through a human but not the wall is probably my best option.

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a shotgun loaded with stuff that will go through a human but not the wall is probably my best option.

X-lax ???

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My shotgun was about $300. However, steel doors aren't an option in my apartment complex, so a shotgun loaded with stuff that will go through a human but not the wall is probably my best option.

is that why you bought a 20 gauge instead of 12? what kind of load do you use?

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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I bought the 20 gauge because it was more comfortable to me than the 12. I think it's a little smaller. I think I've got 7.5s in there now.

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For the people with shotguns: do you have another option for a close encounter in the bedroom when you are awakened by somebody at the end of the bed? I sure like having my wife's Smith and Wesson 5 shot .38 spl under the pillow in addition to standoff weapons.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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For the people with shotguns: do you have another option for a close encounter in the bedroom when you are awakened by somebody at the end of the bed? I sure like having my wife's Smith and Wesson 5 shot .38 spl under the pillow in addition to standoff weapons.

three options, really... kimber ultra carry II stainless, small kel-tec 32, surefire flashlight (so bright it's debilitating)

also... house is set up so it'd be hard to get in w/o making some noise before they get to the bedrooms... and our room is first, then the kids. and our house is on a hill, one story at the top and two stories at the bottom, so that the kids rooms are virtually inaccessible from the outside. can't get to 'em w/o getting past the my room... likewise, kids can't sneak out later in life w/o passing my room...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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Yeah - a chuffing great kukri at the head of the bed. Plus there's a SMLE mkIII* leaning up against the wardrobe that would scare the shit out of anyone at the bottom of the stairs. If I'm really mad I could always whack one of the 18" P07 bayonet’s on the front of it too.

edited to add picky of SMLE + bayonet - (that's NOT me by the way).

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For the people with shotguns: do you have another option for a close encounter in the bedroom when you are awakened by somebody at the end of the bed? I sure like having my wife's Smith and Wesson 5 shot .38 spl under the pillow in addition to standoff weapons.

three options, really... kimber ultra carry II stainless, small kel-tec 32, surefire flashlight (so bright it's debilitating)

also... house is set up so it'd be hard to get in w/o making some noise before they get to the bedrooms... and our room is first, then the kids. and our house is on a hill, one story at the top and two stories at the bottom, so that the kids rooms are virtually inaccessible from the outside. can't get to 'em w/o getting past the my room... likewise, kids can't sneak out later in life w/o passing my room...

Why don't you just move to nice neighborhood, like mine?

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For the people with shotguns: do you have another option for a close encounter in the bedroom when you are awakened by somebody at the end of the bed? I sure like having my wife's Smith and Wesson 5 shot .38 spl under the pillow in addition to standoff weapons.

I would never sleep with a gun under my pillow. I roll around and toss and turn too damn much.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Why don't you just move to nice neighborhood, like mine? ***

first, my neighborhood is quite nice, thanks, low crime but fortune favors the well-prepared...

but move to your neighborhood? no thanks, kallend, you're too liberal to live close to...

and besides, NO neighborhood in Chicago is good... b/c your shithead mayor hates guns... and b/c if I happened to shoot an intruder in Cook Co. I could got to jail ()... You couldn't PAY me to live there up w/ the damn gun banners...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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For the people with shotguns: do you have another option for a close encounter in the bedroom when you are awakened by somebody at the end of the bed? I sure like having my wife's Smith and Wesson 5 shot .38 spl under the pillow in addition to standoff weapons.

three options, really... kimber ultra carry II stainless, small kel-tec 32, surefire flashlight (so bright it's debilitating)

also... house is set up so it'd be hard to get in w/o making some noise before they get to the bedrooms... and our room is first, then the kids. and our house is on a hill, one story at the top and two stories at the bottom, so that the kids rooms are virtually inaccessible from the outside. can't get to 'em w/o getting past the my room... likewise, kids can't sneak out later in life w/o passing my room...

Sounds like an excellent home defense plan particularly the surefire flashlight. I used to sleep with a .45, but found the little Smith easier for my wife when I was away. She held the fort and two kids with that little pistol. Now we have a 2 year old granddaughter with a birthday today.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Why don't you just move to nice neighborhood, like mine? ***

first, my neighborhood is quite nice, thanks, low crime but fortune favors the well-prepared...

but move to your neighborhood? no thanks, kallend, you're too liberal to live close to...

and besides, NO neighborhood in Chicago is good... b/c your shithead mayor hates guns... and b/c if I happened to shoot an intruder in Cook Co. I could got to jail ()... You couldn't PAY me to live there up w/ the damn gun banners...

If you feel unsafe going to bed without a gun at your bedside, I think you have just ipso facto defined your neighborhood as not nice.

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Now we have a 2 year old granddaughter with a birthday today***

Congratulations!!

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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If you feel unsafe going to bed without a gun at your bedside, I think you have just ipso facto defined your neighborhood as not nice.

Actually John, YOU just defined his neighborhood as not nice, not him.

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If you feel unsafe going to bed without a gun at your bedside, I think you have just ipso facto defined your neighborhood as not nice.

Ugh. Now there you go again, Prof, jumping to unwarranted conclusions. How do you know i'm not just paranoid inspite of my neighborhoods being one of the safest where I live?

I sleep w/ some form of weapon, usually a gun, close by at all times, regardless of where I am, home, in-laws, travelling, etc. It matters not how "nice" a neighborhood is. Crime can happen anywhere, even in the gun hating nirvana of Chicago (ugh).

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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If you feel unsafe going to bed without a gun at your bedside, I think you have just ipso facto defined your neighborhood as not nice.

Ugh. Now there you go again, Prof, jumping to unwarranted conclusions. How do you know i'm not just paranoid inspite of my neighborhoods being one of the safest where I live?

I sleep w/ some form of weapon, usually a gun, close by at all times, regardless of where I am, home, in-laws, travelling, etc. It matters not how "nice" a neighborhood is. Crime can happen anywhere, even in the gun hating nirvana of Chicago (ugh).

I wish I was paranoid all the time. That must be an awesome way to live.

I hope I was not jumping to conclusions.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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If you feel unsafe going to bed without a gun at your bedside, I think you have just ipso facto defined your neighborhood as not nice.

Ugh. Now there you go again, Prof, jumping to unwarranted conclusions. How do you know i'm not just paranoid inspite of my neighborhoods being one of the safest where I live?

I sleep w/ some form of weapon, usually a gun, close by at all times, regardless of where I am, home, in-laws, travelling, etc. It matters not how "nice" a neighborhood is. Crime can happen anywhere, even in the gun hating nirvana of Chicago (ugh).

I wish I was paranoid all the time. That must be an awesome way to live.

I hope I was not jumping to conclusions.

not at all... a little paranoia is healthy I think...

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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If you feel unsafe going to bed without a gun at your bedside, I think you have just ipso facto defined your neighborhood as not nice.

Ugh. Now there you go again, Prof, jumping to unwarranted conclusions. How do you know i'm not just paranoid inspite of my neighborhoods being one of the safest where I live?

I sleep w/ some form of weapon, usually a gun, close by at all times, regardless of where I am, home, in-laws, travelling, etc. It matters not how "nice" a neighborhood is. Crime can happen anywhere, even in the gun hating nirvana of Chicago (ugh).

I wish I was paranoid all the time. That must be an awesome way to live.

I hope I was not jumping to conclusions.

not at all... a little paranoia is healthy I think...

A little yes. Enough to have a gun under pillow is not a little. Enough to feel that I need to carry a gun at all times is not either.

I like guns. I like shooting them. I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

I don't recall him ever saying that he didn't feel safe whenever he didn't have a firearm on him.

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A little yes. Enough to have a gun under pillow is not a little. Enough to feel that I need to carry a gun at all times is not either.

I like guns. I like shooting them. I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

It appears to me you have a little misconception about why I and others choose to carry.

First, I don't sleep w/ one under the pillow. Not safe.

Second, I don't carry a gun to "feel safe." I carry a gun to stack odds more in my favor in the unlikely event of an assault/mugging/etc.

I am the father of 4 kids. My wife has a chronic disease that will eventually leave her disabled and unable to work. That leaves me as the sole provider. It is my responsibility to protect myself, my kids, and my wife from harm, insofar as I am able, be it natural (so we have a nice brick home w/ a storm shelter, emergency provisions, storm radio, etc.), or predatorial, i.e. thugs, rabid dogs, etc. I have concluded that a handgun is the most proficient means of protecting me and my family from criminals.

That doesn't make me paranoid, that makes me prepared. I'm not looking for something bad to happen to me or my family, but I'm prepared should it happen.

In a situation involving a mugger, I bet there are more people who DIDN'T have a gun who said "dammit, I wish I had a gun" than those who ARE armed and said "damn, I wish I would've left this at home." (and yes, I'm sure there are those who had a gun that got taken away and used against them by the thug, but that's more rare...)

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

I don't recall him ever saying that he didn't feel safe whenever he didn't have a firearm on him.

Funny. Neither did I. See how you like to jump to conclusions too? Easy to do when you assume something is implied on the Internet.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

I don't recall him ever saying that he didn't feel safe whenever he didn't have a firearm on him.

Funny. Neither did I. See how you like to jump to conclusions too? Easy to do when you assume something is implied on the Internet.

It is inferred from your post.... (copied below for your convenience)

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A little yes. Enough to have a gun under pillow is not a little. Enough to feel that I need to carry a gun at all times is not either.

I like guns. I like shooting them. I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

emphasis mine.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

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I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

I don't recall him ever saying that he didn't feel safe whenever he didn't have a firearm on him.

Funny. Neither did I. See how you like to jump to conclusions too? Easy to do when you assume something is implied on the Internet.

It is inferred from your post.... (copied below for your convenience)

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A little yes. Enough to have a gun under pillow is not a little. Enough to feel that I need to carry a gun at all times is not either.

I like guns. I like shooting them. I don't need to carry one all the time though to feel safe.

Absolutely it can be inferred from my post. But then so could kallend's inference that because you feel that you have to have a gun in your house, your neighborhood is not safe.

And yet when he made that statement, he was told not to jump to conclusions, but when the same person makes an inference about my post, that is okay.

I think all the inferences (mine, kallend's, and justin's) were perfectly reasonable from the context of the previous messages and should have been responded to in a productive manner as you did in your reply to mine.

Instead, justin chose to point out they people are jumping to conclusions. So when he jumped to one about my post, I decided to respond in the same way he did to point how easy that is.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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And, JOHNRICH!!! For the last time...I am NOT trying to take guns away from people. SHEESH!!! This is why it's so frustrating to debate anything here. I am NOT anti-gun.

I assume you are responding to message #184. I didn't say you were anti-gun, nor trying to take guns away from people. That message was a response to your claim that guns are "crap" for home self defense. That's all. It clearly showed otherwise.