pajarito 0 #126 April 20, 2005 QuoteTequila goes well with chicken fajitas. This puzzle is cool! Mmmmmm....... It's lunchtime! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #127 April 20, 2005 >I'm sure if we could talk to Paul (Saul) then we could find out what the >true chuch was and was supposed to be. I have a feeling he would say something along the lines of "What the hell are you guys doing? These are simple things we've been preaching, here. Love your neighbor as yourself, gather together to worship god, and live your life from the example Jesus set. And look what happened. There are, what, about thirty different sects of christianity? Did you need to invent something to fight about? Cause from where I'm looking they're all about the same. Popes, bishops, the vatican, the 95 theses, big expensive churches - those are just window dressings that some bored theologians came up with. They don't matter. Faith is what matters. I'm not sure where you get some of this stuff. No one I know told you to go out and kill people in the name of god, or to pass laws about religion, or to force your morality on anyone else. Want to know what the 'true chuch' is? It's all those people who try to follow in the path of the Teacher. That's what matters. If you like the guy with the big hat, go to a catholic church. If you like to sing, go to a baptist church. It's what's in your heart that matters, not what roof you're under. Remember, wherever two or three are gathered together in the name of Jesus, he will be found there." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #128 April 20, 2005 Yeah, that is pretty awesome man.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #129 April 20, 2005 Quote>I'm sure if we could talk to Paul (Saul) then we could find out what the >true chuch was and was supposed to be. I have a feeling he would say something along the lines of "What the hell are you guys doing? These are simple things we've been preaching, here. Love your neighbor as yourself, gather together to worship god, and live your life from the example Jesus set. And look what happened. There are, what, about thirty different sects of christianity? Did you need to invent something to fight about? Cause from where I'm looking they're all about the same. Popes, bishops, the vatican, the 95 theses, big expensive churches - those are just window dressings that some bored theologians came up with. They don't matter. Faith is what matters. I'm not sure where you get some of this stuff. No one I know told you to go out and kill people in the name of god, or to pass laws about religion, or to force your morality on anyone else. Want to know what the 'true chuch' is? It's all those people who try to follow in the path of the Teacher. That's what matters. If you like the guy with the big hat, go to a catholic church. If you like to sing, go to a baptist church. It's what's in your heart that matters, not what roof you're under. Remember, wherever two or three are gathered together in the name of Jesus, he will be found there." Actually, Bill, if you read Paul's letters, it seems to me that he wouldn't be a bit surprised at the different Christian sects etc. etc. It is clear from his letters that that was already going on in his time. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #130 April 20, 2005 Quote Ain't my fault that the office responsible for the Inquisition still exists (under a new name assumed as recently as 1908) and that Joey the Rat was its head until today. Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me. The Inquisition (which no-one expects) became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and Ratzinger was its most recent head. It isn't your fault (neither is it Ratzingers.) It also isn't especially relevant in today's world. That would be like saying that anyone who votes/is a member of the Democratic party must have ties with slavery, since the Democratic Party was the pro-slavery party a long time ago. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #131 April 20, 2005 Maybe this reply belongs in the Bonfire, but why haven't anyone noticed this similarity...?HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #132 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuote Ain't my fault that the office responsible for the Inquisition still exists (under a new name assumed as recently as 1908) and that Joey the Rat was its head until today. Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me. The Inquisition (which no-one expects) became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and Ratzinger was its most recent head. It isn't your fault (neither is it Ratzingers.) It also isn't especially relevant in today's world. That would be like saying that anyone who votes/is a member of the Democratic party must have ties with slavery, since the Democratic Party was the pro-slavery party a long time ago. I think it's highly relevant that the Roman church hasn't abolished the office responsible for torturing and burning to death thousands of "heretics".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #133 April 21, 2005 Do you think it highly relevant that the Democratic Party put a member of the former KKK into the Senate? Who to this day supports racial discrimination? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #134 April 21, 2005 I think it's highly relevant that the Roman church hasn't abolished the office responsible for torturing and burning to death thousands of "heretics". ------------------------ This being the year 2005, I think it is highly irrelevant. The torture, not the office, was the atrocity, and the torture ended centuries ago. The office itself is not necessarily evil because that happened. Just as America as a whole or the Democratic party is not evil because it condoned slavery 170 years ago. Slavery isn't an issue today. Before the last presidential election in America, there was very heated political feuding & slamming of the Democratic party. In all of that, did you happen to notice how no one brought up the slavery issue as a reason not to vote Democrat?? That's because there ISN'T a slavery issue today. It's friggin ridiculous to resurrect crap like this in a lame attempt to villify a man you hardly know anything about yet. How far do you want to go back into ANY group's past to find something evil?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #135 April 21, 2005 *** Have to agree with you here, but we have to remember that this is the Catholic Church and they're in the forgiveness business not in the apology business. If you've done something wrong they're more than glad to forgive you but if they've done something wrong they're not likely to apologize. They know they're better than everybody else, and the new pope has been responsible for make sure that others know it in his last job. "We've got to let the priests marry... for the sake of the children!""Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #136 April 21, 2005 QuoteHave to agree with you here, Really? Why? He's made no relevant points, no coherent argument, and dodged every question I've asked him. Quote... but we have to remember that this is the Catholic Church and they're in the forgiveness business not in the apology business. And to whom should they apologize? Do you know any family members of the Inquisition's victims, perchance? And are you campaigning for decendants of the Visigoths to do public service in Rome as penance? Do you think Roman citizens today owe descendants of Carthagenians a debt of sorts too? Quote If you've done something wrong they're more than glad to forgive you but if they've done something wrong they're not likely to apologize. They know they're better than everybody else, and the new pope has been responsible for make sure that others know it in his last job. You really don't know a lot about Catholocism, do you? Quote "We've got to let the priests marry... for the sake of the children!" Statistics eludes you it seems. The percentage of priests who commited atrocities you alude to is....what, exactly? Do some research and get back to us and re-evaluate that statement. http://www.cmmb.org Such a bad organization that Catholic Church. How horrible. [/sarcasm] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #137 April 21, 2005 QuoteDo you think it highly relevant that the Democratic Party put a member of the former KKK into the Senate? Who to this day supports racial discrimination? What is the RELEVANCE of the Democratic Party to this thread? Stick to the point, Anvil.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #138 April 21, 2005 Mimicking your own logic in a manner placing the DNC in the same light as you place the Catholic Church seems to perturb you apparently. May I take this crude attempt to avoid answering my query as an admission that your logic is flawed, Sir Kallend? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #139 April 21, 2005 QuoteAnd to whom should they apologize? Do you know any family members of the Inquisition's victims, perchance? And are you campaigning for decendants of the Visigoths to do public service in Rome as penance? Do you think Roman citizens today owe descendants of Carthagenians a debt of sorts too? I agree with you. A formal statement from a passed pope (say 18th century) repudiating the passed practices of the Inquisition would have helped. But it's long gone now, let's move on. QuoteStatistics eludes you it seems. The percentage of priests who commited atrocities you alude to is....what, exactly? Do some research and get back to us and re-evaluate that statement. Although I do believe it is a minority of priests that have commiting atrocities, it is far more widespread than most people would think. My parents, who both went to Catholic boarding schools, recall trying to never be alone outside of their rooms at night by fear of being cornered by a priest or a nun... However, I have a MAJOR issue with the reaction of the Catholic powers that be (regional, national, and the Vatican) to the abuses. It swept it under the carpet for decades (if not century), and the fact that those who commited these acts and those who protected them mostly got away with it is, I believe, a scandal. Regardless of the religious believes (it applies, IMO, to any person on this earth), they should have been turned over to the proper authorities. John Paul II's stance on the matter was, I believe, weak at best, immoral in my (very own) understanding of morality. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #140 April 21, 2005 The Inquisition ought to be an embarrassment to the Roman church. The fact that the Inquisition existed until 1908 and then just had a name change IS an embarrassment to an organization that professes to follow Christian teachings, and to any person who heads up the organization.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #141 April 21, 2005 Quote Sir Kallend? Not knighted yet. Stick to the point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #142 April 21, 2005 It's called an analogy. Should army units been permanently banned from names used during the "manifest destiny" timeframe? Should the office of President be closed because a few hundred years ago he sanctioned atrocities? See post #134 for someone willing to spend more time explaining things that should be obvious.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #143 April 21, 2005 JP II lost all ability to lead the Church in America when he declined to meet with that victims of priests abuse group on his last trip over here, I believe. Hopefully the new Pope will fix this. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #144 April 21, 2005 QuoteIt's called an analogy. An apology would be more appropriate - from the Pope.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #145 April 21, 2005 OK, I think it's time we start a list of people kallend demands apologies from. (deceased omitted) the President the Pope Bill Gates Charlton Heston anyone else? Should we add Jesus Christ or God himself, maybe? (ok, so JC is out, that whole deceased thing)witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #146 April 21, 2005 Ahhh...this time with a #! 2005-1908=97. I like #'s. Actually I like variables better, but #'s can be so enlightening. Just in 1964, a many of Democrats voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act (including Al Gore, Sr.)! More Democrats than Republicans in fact! Democrats who today support racial discrimination and frequently infer that Republicans are WEAK on civil rights! Let's do a wittle bit of math here.... 2005-1964=41. 97>41...but then again your a physicist and know this. Not PDE's or anything difficult here. Not even a variable! Damn...how boring and simple. No apologies from the DNC. For a more recent atrocity. Tsk tsk tsk. Are you demanding one from them? No? But you're not quite maligning them for their former (and current) support of discrimination, are you? A bit inconsistent, wouldn't you agree, Sir Kallend? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #147 April 21, 2005 QuoteSir Kallend? I consider this insulting and against forum rules.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #148 April 21, 2005 I give you an honorary knighthood and you find this insulting? I prithee thee, good Kallend. My dearest and most sincere apologies if my honorific hath given thee offense of any manner. I too, am insulted. You have never once referred to me as JACKASS. I find that insulting. I am also insulted that you have never sent me Godiva chocolates or offered to loan me a book on frame dragging or ball lightning, or even sent me any cool MATLAB code to play with. You even purportedly came to Zhills recently and never even told me you were in the state. Sniff sniff. That's OK. I'm a thick skinned JACKASS. I forgive you. We Catholics are good at that - just ask Ian. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #149 April 21, 2005 Anvil! You JACKASS!!! You apolgoized AND forgave somebody in the same post! And admitted you were Catholic! Now you've probably offended IanHarrop! Anvil is going to bed. Goodnight all. I think I need a sip of Herradura before I hit the rack though... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #150 April 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteHave to agree with you here, Really? Why? He's made no relevant points, no coherent argument, and dodged every question I've asked him. I honestly don't care about any of the questions you've asked him, your questions to him are not my issue Quote... but we have to remember that this is the Catholic Church and they're in the forgiveness business not in the apology business. And to whom should they apologize? Do you know any family members of the Inquisition's victims, perchance? And are you campaigning for decendants of the Visigoths to do public service in Rome as penance? Do you think Roman citizens today owe descendants of Carthagenians a debt of sorts too? I think they need to apologize to the entire world for their many mis-deeds, if you are not aware of their mis-deeds that is your problem not mine. Quote If you've done something wrong they're more than glad to forgive you but if they've done something wrong they're not likely to apologize. They know they're better than everybody else, and the new pope has been responsible for make sure that others know it in his last job. You really don't know a lot about Catholocism, do you? You must be unaware of the new pope's previous position, fortunately you can educate yourself Quote "We've got to let the priests marry... for the sake of the children!" Statistics eludes you it seems. The percentage of priests who commited atrocities you alude to is....what, exactly? Do some research and get back to us and re-evaluate that statement. Because the percentage is small it doesn't matter? That seems a bit uncaring http://www.cmmb.org Such a bad organization that Catholic Church. How horrible. [/sarcasm] "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
