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The main reason people find themselves in poor financial condition is because we have become a society that mostly lives beyond our means and saves very little. The first thing you hear people say when asked what they would do if they came into a large sum of money is what they would spend it on. How many times do you here someone say they are going to invest it into stocks and bonds? Hell, the whole reason we need Social Security is because people refuse to save for their retirement. I think I read somewhere that the average American is 2 paychecks away from being homeless.

Wow I actually agree with GM on something. But then again, I am a conservative as far as economics are concerned. Another problem of ours is that the corporate world has decided to out source jobs to the cheapest market. But a consumer society is largely to blame for the poor financial situation many people find themselves in.

Now what does this have to do with Canada's healthcare system?

It has to do with the fact that the only reason we need to even debate things like Social Security, Social Health Care, and just about Social Anything is because people refuse to save. They get $500. bucks in their hot little hands and all they can think about is instant gratification, "what new little amusement can I buy with this money to make my life a little happier." Then they get themselves in a situation that requires them to step up and take care of themselves and the whine becomes, "oh, it's all Corporate America's fault", or "it's all the fault of politicians", or "who else can I find to blame because I was too interested in having children I couldn't afford or buying things I couldn't afford or taking vacations I couldn't afford", or who were too busy being cool while in school and didn't pay attention in class or who cheated on their school work. The US and Canada are full of people like this,and they seek out the sympathy of politicians who are all to happy to push an agenda for them which is ripping off the producers in our society to make up for the poor miserable little lives many of these people created for themselves, it the truth was known.

Sure there are people who are in dire straits due to circumstances beyond their control, and I'm sympathetic to them. Those aren't the people I'm talking about, but the undisciplined in our society seek to hide behind those people and live off the social benefits allowed the truely disadvantaged.


Enough for now, I gotta go finish painting my bathroom.

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Hospitals write off huge amounts of unrecoverable debts incurred by people who can't pay. So where does that money come from? It comes from the people who can pay. That is, your insurance rates, and your out-of-pocket expenses are subsidizing it.

And the good employers who provide decent health plans are subsidizing deadbeat employers who don't, and especially the sleazebag employers who keep their employees just below "full time" status so they don't have to provide any benefits.

Tying health care to employment the way we do in practice is moronic.

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Hospitals write off huge amounts of unrecoverable debts incurred by people who can't pay. So where does that money come from? It comes from the people who can pay. That is, your insurance rates, and your out-of-pocket expenses are subsidizing it.

And the good employers who provide decent health plans are subsidizing deadbeat employers who don't, and especially the sleazebag employers who keep their employees just below "full time" status so they don't have to provide any benefits.

Tying health care to employment the way we do in practice is moronic.

Why do you think employers have some obligation to provide healthcare. Funny that what started out as a benefit an employer gave a long term loyal employee has been twisted into a "right." Remember that next time an employer does what he can to circumvent the "law." If someone wants healthcare, why can't they pay for it themselves?

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Hospitals write off huge amounts of unrecoverable debts incurred by people who can't pay. So where does that money come from? It comes from the people who can pay. That is, your insurance rates, and your out-of-pocket expenses are subsidizing it.

And the good employers who provide decent health plans are subsidizing deadbeat employers who don't, and especially the sleazebag employers who keep their employees just below "full time" status so they don't have to provide any benefits.

Tying health care to employment the way we do in practice is moronic.

You mean the government should provide it? What a concept - I wonder if any other countries have heard of this? Just sarcam, but I've never before thought of employer (corporation) provided insurance as Fascism, but it certainly was the start of it.

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Hospitals write off huge amounts of unrecoverable debts incurred by people who can't pay. So where does that money come from? It comes from the people who can pay. That is, your insurance rates, and your out-of-pocket expenses are subsidizing it.

And the good employers who provide decent health plans are subsidizing deadbeat employers who don't, and especially the sleazebag employers who keep their employees just below "full time" status so they don't have to provide any benefits.

Tying health care to employment the way we do in practice is moronic.

Why do you think employers have some obligation to provide healthcare. Funny that what started out as a benefit an employer gave a long term loyal employee has been twisted into a "right." Remember that next time an employer does what he can to circumvent the "law." If someone wants healthcare, why can't they pay for it themselves?

I think I made it very clear that defaulting to employer provided health care (which is what the US has done de facto) was a poor way to go.

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You did. My mistake.