Gravitymaster 0 #26 April 7, 2005 You left out the hybrid mower supporter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,165 #27 April 7, 2005 >You left out the hybrid mower supporter. I didn't want to talk about the _real_ crazies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #28 April 7, 2005 Quote>You left out the hybrid mower supporter. I didn't want to talk about the _real_ crazies. Off topic for a second: I read recently that the hybrid Honda Accord gets about 24 mpg average. I have an Acura TL with a 270 hp 3.2L V-Tech engine (6 cylinder) which is basically the luxury version of the Accord and I'm getting about the same average mileage. I think the Accord is about the same. Considering the hybrid has less trunk space than the Accord, do you still support the continued development of hybrids, or would it make more sense to just purchase a smaller all gasoline powered vehicle like the Honda Civic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #29 April 7, 2005 QuoteQuote>You left out the hybrid mower supporter. I didn't want to talk about the _real_ crazies. Off topic for a second: I read recently that the hybrid Honda Accord gets about 24 mpg average. I have an Acura TL with a 270 hp 3.2L V-Tech engine (6 cylinder) which is basically the luxury version of the Accord and I'm getting about the same average mileage. I think the Accord is about the same. Considering the hybrid has less trunk space than the Accord, do you still support the continued development of hybrids, or would it make more sense to just purchase a smaller all gasoline powered vehicle like the Honda Civic? I'm not sure, but I think the mileage is much higher than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 April 7, 2005 Quoting Consumer Reports-May 2005. Pg.46 Honda Accord EX (4 cyl.) 160 hp. Overall mpg 24 Honda Accord EX (6cyl.) 240 hp. Overall mpg 23 Honda Accord Hybrid Overall mpg 25 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #31 April 7, 2005 QuoteQuoting Consumer Reports-May 2005. Pg.46 Honda Accord EX (4 cyl.) 160 hp. Overall mpg 24 Honda Accord EX (6cyl.) 240 hp. Overall mpg 23 Honda Accord Hybrid Overall mpg 25 Damn. Why would the even make a hybrid in that case? Doesn't make much sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #32 April 7, 2005 QuoteDamn. Why would the even make a hybrid in that case? Doesn't make much sense. Because it will be seen as cool, and them as nice for thinking green."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #33 April 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteDamn. Why would the even make a hybrid in that case? Doesn't make much sense. Because it will be seen as cool, and them as nice for thinking green. I think the new truck (the big ugly-ass one) pretty much killed that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #34 April 7, 2005 Yep, especially considering the Accord Hybrids sticker price is $30,655 and the Accord EX is $27,365. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #35 April 7, 2005 You know, I'm ok with Nissan knocking off Porches on a regular basis, but when Honda starts imitating GM, you know there's something rotten in Denmark.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 April 7, 2005 QuoteYou know, I'm ok with Nissan knocking off Porches on a regular basis, but when Honda starts imitating GM, you know there's something rotten in Denmark. It's likely General Motors will become Global Motors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,165 #37 April 7, 2005 >I read recently that the hybrid Honda Accord gets about 24 mpg average. Honda Accord V6: 21 city/30 highway 0-60 in 8.0 secs Honda Accord V6 hybrid: 29 city/37 highway 0-60 in 7.5 secs http://www.automedia.com/autoReviews/2005/honda/accord_hybrid/rts20050201ah.asp?affid= However, if you do want to find an example of a hybrid not doing much, look no further than the 2005 GMC Sierra hybrid, which gets 18/21mpg. Clearly some manufacturers have figured it out and some haven't. >Considering the hybrid has less trunk space than the Accord, do you >still support the continued development of hybrids, or would it make >more sense to just purchase a smaller all gasoline powered vehicle like >the Honda Civic? Not sure if "support of hybrids" has any meaning any more. I was pushing for them for a long time, hoping that once they became more widely available their obvious benefits (better performance using less gas) would win in the market. That's happened. Car companies are falling all over themselves to get more hybrids to market. Normal market forces will now drive development. without any need for me (or anyone) to try to push them. They are certainly not a complete solution to the energy problem, just a stopgap fuel-saving measure with several ancillary benefits. One benefit is that you no longer need a well-throttleable engines; this means engines like Atkins-cycle engines (as in the Prius) or a Stirling engine (which can burn anything) can be used as the prime mover. A second advantage is they can be used as 'pluggable hybrids' or partial electric vehicles. A car that does not _need_ gas to go ten miles to the store would be a huge benefit if gas prices really shoot up. People will be able to recharge their cars for 25 cents, and use it in electric mode for 90% of their driving. At least two groups I know are working on this, and Toyota has indicated interest in offering it as a future option. A third advantage is that this is driving the technology you need for a true electric vehicle. Saft can't keep up with battery demand, and the money being pumped into the battery industry is leading to more and more advances. Recently a new li-ion battery came out that can be recharged to 80% within 5 minutes. A li-ion electric car could get 150 miles per charge and could be recharged most of the way in 5 minutes, which is comparable to how long it takes to get gas at a gas station. But like I said, these things are now happening without having to make a fuss any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #38 April 7, 2005 This was a perfectly good lawnmower/postalnutjob thread that got turned into a perfectly good Simpson's quote thread that now got derailed into the same old hybrid stuff. If it turns to guns (WAY too many of those lately) I'm setting someone's lawnmower on fire. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 April 8, 2005 QuoteIf it turns to guns (WAY too many of those lately) I'm setting someone's lawnmower on fire. Come after my lawnmower and I'll shoot you"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #40 April 8, 2005 QuoteThis was a perfectly good lawnmower/postalnutjob thread that got turned into a perfectly good Simpson's quote thread that now got derailed into the same old hybrid stuff. If it turns to guns (WAY too many of those lately) I'm setting someone's lawnmower on fire. Oh, fire, you mean the fire of a machine-gun? Or the double of a shotgun? Sounds nice. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #41 April 8, 2005 QuoteIf it turns to guns (WAY too many of those lately) I'm setting someone's lawnmower on fire. You can set fire to my lawnmower when you prise it out of my hot flaming hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpozzoli 0 #42 April 8, 2005 QuoteThis was a perfectly good lawnmower/postalnutjob thread that got turned into a perfectly good Simpson's quote thread that now got derailed into the same old hybrid stuff. If it turns to guns (WAY too many of those lately) I'm setting someone's lawnmower on fire. I can do better. I'll set fire to someone's lawnmower while driving a hybrid car! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #43 April 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf it turns to guns (WAY too many of those lately) I'm setting someone's lawnmower on fire. Come after my lawnmower and I'll shoot you I'll do a drive-by shooting of your lawn mower with my assault rifle from out the window of my hybrid car Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #44 April 8, 2005 QuoteI'll do a drive-by shooting of your lawn mower with my assault rifle Pellet Gun from out the window of my hybrid car There fixed it for you. (It was after all the reason I started this thread)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #45 April 8, 2005 How about you do a drive by shooting on your lawnmower? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #46 April 8, 2005 Well, apparently Lawn Mowers burn real slow at first, then make a whooshing noise and burn fast for a bit, then burn slow for a long time again. Rubber tires stink when they burn. Man, the neighbor is really upset. He shouldn't have taken the mower out so soon after the snow melted. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 April 8, 2005 QuoteHow about you do a drive by shooting on your lawnmower? LOL. A drive by on a hybrid John Deere with a pellet gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #48 April 8, 2005 QuoteLOL. A drive by on a hybrid John Deere with a pellet gun. A drive by on a hybrid John Deere, on fire, with a pellet gun while trying to drill for sweet sweet candy-dead-guy-oil. Fridays are more fun at the SC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 April 8, 2005 QuoteA drive by on a hybrid John Deere, on fire, with a pellet gun while trying to drill for sweet sweet candy-dead-guy-oil. Changing my sig line for a while. Thanks Edit: Was "sweet sweet candy" a Troy McClure quote or the captain from Futurama? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #50 April 8, 2005 QuoteQuoteHow about you do a drive by shooting on your lawnmower? LOL. A drive by on a hybrid John Deere with a pellet gun. This is matching perfectly. The John Deere does maximum 12 km/h. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
