Pellet gun kills 12 year old boy

[Skyrad 0]

Hey John, interesting link, didn't realise that you were a Commie dude... Sorry Comrade Dude!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

Clearly you are uninformed and anti European. Christel is a responsible gun OWNER and is also a HUNTER.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[rushmc 23]

The one line you posted has an error IMHO. You write "The easy answer is that since you cannot regulate people, you should regulate guns.". What is really true is "The easy answer is that since you cannot regulate people therefore you can't regulate guns."

Your world leaves only the criminals with guns or other violent weapons.

The cities with the most gun control have the most gun violence. Doesn't that make you wonder?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DrunkMonkey 0]

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Clearly you are uninformed and anti European. Christel is a responsible gun OWNER and is also a HUNTER.

Notwithstanding her incessant "American culture is inherently violent" rants, I grow weary of the cultural eliteism(sp?) that Christel spouts at every opportunity.

We're an inherently violent culture? Beats the opposite, a culture of pushover socialists...

But apparently we need to turn in all our guns, because of Frau's edict that we cannot be trusted with anything more dangerous than a toothbrush.

I have a great respect for Germans. I worked with BundesLuftwaffe (Forgive my misspellings) personnel, and had a blast.

The reality is that an American who is considered liberal would, in Europe, be considered a Facist.

No thanks. I'm just sick of Euros "holier than thou" attitudes...

[Skyrad 0]

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The reality is that an American who is considered liberal would, in Europe, be considered a Facist.

Wow, I'm glad I didn't say that!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Rebecca 0]

Mmm hmm.

So, you know what the reality is? Great! I've been trying to figure that out!

OK, so I'm conservative. I should probably not go to Europe then huh? God knows what they'd all automatically consider me to be! Jeez! I might get run out just for being American!



Aww hell, why'd I let myself drag myself into this?

edit: too late now, so: Drunk, I'm calling you out over this thread (read this thread only). It's nothing personal. YOU INVITED HER TO RESPOND. She posted her opinion. Now you're lambasting her. NOT COOL! And you're putting words in her mouth - gun-orientated does not = inherently violent. Also not cool on your part. Why don't you just ignore her if you dislike her so much?

I wouldn't want anyone responding to my invited opinion like that.

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[jumper03 0]

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Aww hell, why'd I let myself drag myself into this?

Look right, grab right, look left, grab left....

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[craddock 0]

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And you're putting words in her mouth - gun-orientated does not = inherently violent

No he's not. She has made on too many occasions snide comments about the US and how dangerous it is here because of our Gun Laws.

Did you know her child can actually go out of the house unarmed?!?! Just ask her.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[mnealtx 0]

This tragedy is a parenting failure.... if he had taught his son about what the pellet gun could actually do, this never would have happened.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... "gun-proof the child, not child-proof the gun."

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Ron 10]

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My instructor always used to tell us aboutt the American way of treating a gun:

And what was this?

Cause BEING an American I'd love to hear what a GERMAN thinks about AMERICAN "ways".

See my Martial Arts Instructor told me about how the German way to handle a sword in a Church

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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I think pellet guns are col, so no anti-gun stuff from me. They are great way to teach kids how to shoot and let them play with something not so dealy. Maybe if we let them shoot pellet guns, they would not be interested in buying illegal handguns and such. vent their frustrations in other ways.

but shooting someone in the chest from 10 feet? Sorry, we need anti-STUPID laws for that. sounds like bad breeding to me

Holy Shit TK...We have agreed TWICE this mth?!?!?!?

This is not a gun problem (as most deaths from guns are not gun problems, but people problems).

Both these kids were stupid. One died from his stupidity.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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edit: too late now, so: Drunk, I'm calling you out over this thread (read this thread only). It's nothing personal. YOU INVITED HER TO RESPOND. She posted her opinion. Now you're lambasting her. NOT COOL! And you're putting words in her mouth - gun-orientated does not = inherently violent. Also not cool on your part. Why don't you just ignore her if you dislike her so much?

I wouldn't want anyone responding to my invited opinion like that.

I have to defend DM here....She has said tons of times snide remarks about America.

Here is one for THIS thread

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My instructor always used to tell us aboutt the American way of treating a gun:

What is "The American Way?".

It is a slam on Americans.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[christelsabine 1]

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edit: too late now, so: Drunk, I'm calling you out over this thread (read this thread only). It's nothing personal. YOU INVITED HER TO RESPOND. She posted her opinion. Now you're lambasting her. NOT COOL! And you're putting words in her mouth - gun-orientated does not = inherently violent. Also not cool on your part. Why don't you just ignore her if you dislike her so much?

I wouldn't want anyone responding to my invited opinion like that.

I have to defend DM here....She has said tons of times snide remarks about America.

Here is one for THIS thread

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My instructor always used to tell us aboutt the American way of treating a gun:

What is "The American Way?".

It is a slam on Americans.

You are wrong on that, dear Ron. Pls re-read what I said about "the American way" to treat a gun: Always consider it's loaded.....etc. He, our teacher, always told us to keep this in mind. That was a good way to show newbies on guns how to treat them in a safe way. No bash, no slam, Ron. I am sorry. (Funny: You ask "What is "The American Way"? - and answer yourself: It is a slam on Americans.)

Perhaps I should add some background on that:

In our German shooting places, open ranges or houses, clubs, when placing down the rifle, it always has to be completely unloaded, and shotguns broken, f.e. It is in no way allowed just to safety switch the rifle and place it down the rack. So, everybody knows: That gun on the rack is not "dangerous". But there are always idiots forgetting to unload, so there still is danger and you can never trust a rifle really is unloaded.

My instructor has been in North America many times. In our very first lessons he told us, he personally prefers the American way to safely handle the gun as he noticed in the US: Always consider it's loaded, as guns on the racks are loaded, they are just "locked"! So, everybody knows it could be a huge mistake when messing around with a gun standing in the rack, or probably touching guns of others.

Everybody knows, gun is loaded! So, everybody handles with necessary care or keeps his distance and his fingers away from it.

He did not agree to our strict rules to generally unload guns when placing down on rack. Beginners sometimes forget to unload, next idiot grabs that gun to have a closer look at its details and... booom!

This is what my instructor told me more than 10 years ago. I do not know if it's still actual. I never was at any shooting range in the US, only in Canada for hunting. But he explained that as the "American way" to handle each and every gun, no matter which kind. Always consider it's loaded.

Not more, not less. Ron. No slamming down the US.
Perhaps at another time, another place?


Christel

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[Ron 10]

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This is what my instructor told me more than 10 years ago. I do not know if it's still actual. I never was at any shooting range in the US, only in Canada for hunting. But he explained that as the "American way" to handle each and every gun, no matter which kind. Always consider it's loaded.

Not more, not less. Ron. No slamming down the US.
Perhaps at another time, another place?

Then please accept my appology.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[christelsabine 1]

Done, avec plaisir!

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[Tonto 1]

Thread title is "Pellet gun kills 12 year old boy" but I've read this twice now, and I'm almost sure it was the pellet, and not the pellet gun that killed this boy. Had the pellet not pierced his heart, he may still be alive. Now if he were beaten to death with the weapon, then maybe the title would be correct, but I suspect it would then be changed to "12 year old boy bludgeoned to death by pellet gun."

Am I the only one who thinks this way?

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[mr2mk1g 10]

Personally I'm in favour of the headline "Stoopid kid has friend help remove himself from gene pool".

[freethefly 6]

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which shoots .177 caliber pellets, pumped it 7 times

I don't think the manufacturer intended it to be pumped 7 times. Seems like way to much to me. I would guess that it was travelling much faster than 665fps.


I have one of these guns for shooting squirrels and rabbits. Silent and deadly.
From the owners manual of the 880 Series: "..., pump the gun the desired number of times up to 10. More power means greater chance of serious injury. ..."
For as small of a caliber it can be very deadly when pumped up. No problem killing small game at more than 30'. Up close to a person will do serious damage as this incident proves.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[BillyVance 35]

Yeah, my dad had a pellet handgun that he mostly used to pop squirrels invading the bird feeder, and you had to pump it 10 times...

My Gamo rifle, however, you pull the barrel down about 120 degrees until it cocks, then insert the pellet, and pull the barrel back in place *click*. And it still shoots 1000 fps...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[bch7773 0]

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Yeah, my dad had a pellet handgun that he mostly used to pop squirrels invading the bird feeder, and you had to pump it 10 times...

My Gamo rifle, however, you pull the barrel down about 120 degrees until it cocks, then insert the pellet, and pull the barrel back in place *click*. And it still shoots 1000 fps...

those BB guns with springs are pretty damn powerful. I had a BB gun with air power and a dart fired from it would penetrate half an inch of wood.


but this kid evidently wasn't the smartest on the block... a 12 year old should know the difference between armor and "underarmor" shirts.

MB 3528, RB 1182

[Rebecca 0]

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but this kid evidently wasn't the smartest on the block... a 12 year old should know the difference between armor and "underarmor" shirts.

Based on the intelligence of his parents, I don't know if the poor kid stood much of a chance to begin with...

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[hooked 0]

I will never forget the day a neighbor boy showed up at our house for help. His arm was bleeding and he didn't quite know what happened. We were the 'contact' for the kids should anything happen while Mom was at work. We took him to the ER and it seems that he had been shot with a pellet gun! It went almost completely through his upper arm. We kind of thought a neighbor boy across the street was shooting his pellet gun, we aren't sure if he deliberately aimed it or it was an accident. To read this story, I'm glad it wasn't more serious for our neighbor.

J

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[Skyrad 0]

Unfortunatly this happens all the tie in the UK. I think it's because people generaly only know about firearms what they see on tv and films. Also in the UK we have a violent youth culture that is moronic. Unfortunatly stupid kids in South london try to emulate gangs in South Central LA.
Also I think people don't realise just how powerful air weapons are.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[mr2mk1g 10]

One problem I see is that people often don't know the difference between a BB gun and an air rifle.

A BB gun can produce a nasty welt at close range, hurt a little at a distance and maybe take an eye out if you’re a twat with it.

An air gun can kill quite easily. I've had high powered air rifles since I was 8 and used to hunt with them on a daily basis. They're not firearms, but they need to be treated with respect nonetheless.

As a teen I had to have a pellet removed from my stomach (ie from within the abdominal skin, not the stomach itself) after I was hit by a ricochet. That was just a ricochet... traveling almost precisely 180deg. from its original flight path and it still had enough velocity to lodge under my skin.

Kids (and many parents) think all air weapons are the same; that they’re all just toys for plinking and putting holes in paper targets. Hell, there are organized games akin to paintball in this country using BB guns, (great fun BTW and knocks the socks of paintball).

As the public has far more exposure to this kind of air weapon they assume all work like that and all are just as safe. This ignorance even extends to the US pro gun lobby – I remember having to explain to people on this site why Brockock style air guns were being included in firearms legislation.

At the end of the day, stupid is as stupid does. Having someone shoot you with an air rifle is going on as stupid as it gets.

[craddock 0]

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One problem I see is that people often don't know the difference between a BB gun and an air rifle.

A BB gun can produce a nasty welt at close range, hurt a little at a distance and maybe take an eye out if you’re a twat with it.

My .117 bb gun will shoot a BB or pellet at relatively the same fps. Almost every BB gun I have used and shot since I was a kid operated off air in this fashion. I have killed many squirrels with BB guns.

With some exceptions a BB gun is an air gun and will usually handle a pellet also.

Now I realize you may be trying to explain the difference between a high power pellet gun vs. your standard .177 pellet/ bb gun, but both are capable of hunting with and dangerous to be shot at with.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.