Pellet gun kills 12 year old boy

[BillyVance 35]

This is one of the saddest stories I've seen lately.

A 12 year old Shelby County, AL boy died from being shot in the chest by his 9 year old friend. The 12 year old boy had gotten his dad's air pellet rifle, which shoots .177 caliber pellets, pumped it 7 times, then told his 9 year old friend to "shoot me, I'm bullet proof. I've got on an armor shirt." He was actually wearing an "Under Armour" brand athletic shirt... The pellet was fired from about 10 feet, went through his heart and lodged near his spine. He staggered into the house and told his dad he was shot and it hurt, but he wasn't crying. Dad called 911 and the boy went into surgery at Children's Hospital in Birmingham, but he died...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Ok, I want the responses in the following order:

Kallend
Christelsabine
Botellines

[CanuckInUSA 0]

stupidity + guns = death.

Happy ...

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[DrewGPM 0]

Do that hand out Darwin Awards to kids?

It is a tragedy, and I feel bad for parents and the kid that pulled the trigger. But I admit I giggled when I read that he was wearing a Body Armour shirt.

[justinb138 0]

That's one of the worst stories I've heard in a while.


I wonder how long will it take for the lawsuit against Under Armour to be filed

[christelsabine 1]

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Ok, I want the responses in the following order:

Kallend
Christelsabine
Botellines

May I confuse you a little bit beeing the first to reply?

This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a gun-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.

Christel

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[DrunkMonkey 0]

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Ok, I want the responses in the following order:

Kallend
Christelsabine
Botellines

May I confuse you a little bit beeing the first to reply?

This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a gun-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.

Christel

Yeah, we're all irresponsible gun nuts. Do us a favor and stay in the Reich. We cannot be trusted with sharp objects...

...But then again neither can Germans, as evidenced by the recent sword attack.

You know where you can stick your cultural eliteism.

[Rebecca 0]

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Ok, I want the responses in the following order:

Kallend
Christelsabine
Botellines

May I confuse you a little bit beeing the first to reply?

This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a gun-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.

Christel

Yeah, we're all irresponsible gun nuts. Do us a favor and stay in the Reich. We cannot be trusted with sharp objects...

...But then again neither can Germans, as evidenced by the recent sword attack.

You know where you can stick your cultural eliteism.

Hey!

You're the one who specifically invited her reply, sarcastically or not. Watch the Reich comments.

This was a really sad story about kids not knowing better because their stupid parents didn't teach them respect for firearms of any kind and the saftey precautions that are necessary for handling them.

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[justinb138 0]

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This was a really sad story about kids not knowing better because their stupid parents didn't teach them respect for firearms of any kind and the saftey precautions that are necessary for handling them.

True.

IIRC, Here in TX you can buy a pellet gun at the age of 16, but can't buy a paintball gun or paintballs until the age of 18.

Just seems kind of backwards to me.

[billvon 3,120]

>You know where you can stick your cultural eliteism.

Your one warning.

[Rebecca 0]

I don't own a gun, but I have shot target practice with several different types. The first rule ALWAYS is never point a gun, loaded or unloaded, anywhere you wouldn't want the bullet going. Don't point it at your friend, don't point it at your foot, don't point it at your tires. All it takes is once for the safety to be off, for one bullet to be in the chamber, for one little thing to have been overlooked.

I have nothing against guns, just those who don't respect them.

As for age, any child can pull a trigger, and any adult can be an idiot. I'd rather see a gun in the hands of a 8-year-old who knows and follows the rules rather than a legal adult who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[JohnRich 4]

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This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a Nazi-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.

Story: Germany's neo-Nazi upsurge

This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a Nazi-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.



Note: This is not intended as a personal attack. It's simply another demonstration of the type of logic used in the quoted argument.

[christelsabine 1]

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I don't own a gun, but I have shot target practice with several different types. The first rule ALWAYS is never point a gun, loaded or unloaded, anywhere you wouldn't want the bullet going. Don't point it at your friend, don't point it at your foot, don't point it at your tires. All it takes is once for the safety to be off, for one bullet to be in the chamber, for one little thing to have been overlooked.

I have nothing against guns, just those who don't respect them.

As for age, any child can pull a trigger, and any adult can be an idiot. I'd rather see a gun in the hands of a 8-year-old who knows and follows the rules rather than a legal adult who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

You are fully right with the very first rule: Never point a gun to anyone, if it's loaded or not. My instructor always used to tell us aboutt the American way of treating a gun: He told us from very first beginning, that a gun ALWAYS has to be considered loaded. Never point it to anyone. It's no toy, it can kill. It could be loaded.

Like you, I have nothing against guns. But they should not be at an easy access for everybody (kids f.e.,).

That means: Kids do not understand the real danger of weapons, if this is paintball or a kid's wooden rifle. They do what they learned, saw in TV, are told... Aiming at someone. It needs parents to explain the difference to the kids.

@ DrunkMonkey: You do realize the Reich is no more existing? And if it's still in your head: It's not my fault?


Christel

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[Rebecca 0]

Would you and DM like to invite Christel to a US vs. Germany cage-match in another thread?

Jeez, I thought we were discussing guns. Let's keep it on track!

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[Jimbo 0]

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Let's keep it on track!

Good one!

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Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[christelsabine 1]

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This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a Nazi-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.

Story: Germany's neo-Nazi upsurge

This story, as sad as it is, is not surprising me. In a Nazi-orientated society, "one" has to expect that. End of message.



Note: This is not intended as a personal attack. It's simply another demonstration of the type of logic used in the quoted argument.

Oh well, JohnRich, back again? Didn't see you since a while...

Oh yeah, your post including its link is somewhat actual.

LMAO



Try again...

You know better, right?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[tkhayes 348]

I think pellet guns are col, so no anti-gun stuff from me. They are great way to teach kids how to shoot and let them play with something not so dealy. Maybe if we let them shoot pellet guns, they would not be interested in buying illegal handguns and such. vent their frustrations in other ways.

but shooting someone in the chest from 10 feet? Sorry, we need anti-STUPID laws for that. sounds like bad breeding to me.

TK

[justinb138 0]

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I don't own a gun, but I have shot target practice with several different types. The first rule ALWAYS is never point a gun, loaded or unloaded, anywhere you wouldn't want the bullet going. Don't point it at your friend, don't point it at your foot, don't point it at your tires. All it takes is once for the safety to be off, for one bullet to be in the chamber, for one little thing to have been overlooked.

I have nothing against guns, just those who don't respect them.

As for age, any child can pull a trigger, and any adult can be an idiot. I'd rather see a gun in the hands of a 8-year-old who knows and follows the rules rather than a legal adult who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

I agree with you completely, especially the last part of that.

[Rebecca 0]

Well thanks!

you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?

[Botellines 0]

ChistelSabine´s post was educated, respectfull and was an answer to a direct question YOU asked. I am not sure if it is "cultural elitism" but i much prefer that than a disrespectful and uneducated post.

Anyway... You know my position about guns, so you can bring up how untrustfull we spaniards are since the invasion of southamerica in 1492 and i will bring up your invasion of north america and killing of the natives.

So what to say... I will concede that guns do not kill people, it is people who kills people with guns. The easy answer is that since you cannot regulate people, you should regulate guns.
The kid was not a criminal, he was a perfect law abiding citizen but he was not mature enough to handle one of those guns responsibly. It is obvious that a 10 year old kid is not mature enough, but how many people are not mature enough or do not have the training although they meet the requirements including age? Those are the ones i personally worry about.
This is what i personally would require anyone before he is allowed to have a gun:

Proven record of being a law abiding citizen.
Proof that he is mentally mature enough to have a gun.
Proof of mental stability.
High tolerance to frustration
Responsability to keep his gun under strict control 24x7
Extensive initial training and training periodically to stay current.

Plus some more that i could come up with. How many of those are currently enforced? You think that everybody should be in the selected group of people elegible for a gun till they prove they do not deserve it. By that time, it is usually too late. I prefer to put people in that group on a case by case basis. For example the police. It is as simple as this, and do note that no one is speaking here of taking away your guns.

[billvon 3,120]

>The easy answer is that since you cannot regulate people, you
> should regulate guns.

As guns are notorious for not being able to read, regulations that instruct guns to not kill innocent people are not that useful. All gun laws regulate people's, rather than gun's, behavior. Since we have moderate success with our laws against things like murder, it appears you can regulate people to some degree.

[justinb138 0]

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So what to say... I will concede that guns do not kill people, it is people who kills people with guns. The easy answer is that since you cannot regulate people, you should regulate guns.

Guns are regulated.

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The kid was not a criminal, he was a perfect law abiding citizen but he was not mature enough to handle one of those guns responsibly.

Agreed. But it's not necessarily that he wasn't mature enough, it was that he wasn't properly educated on the dangers of them, and his parents' obviously didn't teach him or prevent his access to them.

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It is obvious that a 10 year old kid is not mature enough, but how many people are not mature enough or do not have the training although they meet the requirements including age?

Many people aren't mature enough to own one, despite of age. Many more are.

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This is what i personally would require anyone before he is allowed to have a gun:

Proven record of being a law abiding citizen.
Proof that he is mentally mature enough to have a gun.
Proof of mental stability.
High tolerance to frustration
Responsability to keep his gun under strict control 24x7
Extensive initial training and training periodically to stay current.

Plus some more that i could come up with. How many of those are currently enforced?

Pretty much the first 4.

#5 would be difficult to enforce.

[BillyVance 35]

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That's one of the worst stories I've heard in a while.

I wonder how long will it take for the lawsuit against Under Armour to be filed

Well, I was assume that the boy's mother could sue her ex-husband for negligence in leaving the gun and ammo accessible to their kid. The kid lives with his mom, but he was visiting his dad for the week. Edited to add: He found the gun in the garage, and the pellets in another location. His dad was in the shower when the whole thing happened.

I have to admit that I was surprised at how strong these pellet guns were. The gun used, a Powerline 880 made by Daisy, shoots up to 665 fps. And this gun shot a pellet that went through the shirt, skin, pectoral muscles, and heart before coming to a stop at the spinal column??!? If only a rib had deflected it, he might have lived...

I have a Gamo pellet rifle that shoots at 1000 fps, and my pellets, with the pointed head, go through 1/4" plywood. I mostly bought it to fight back against the pack of stray dogs (mostly chow-lab mixes) that had been menacing my neighborhood in a small town with very weak animal control laws. They were also menacing my cats, who love the outdoors. I shot a couple of those dogs and they ran off yipping, never to return. Most of them eventually got hit by cars (including the ones I shot) and I haven't had problems since.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[christelsabine 1]

...., it appears you can regulate people to some degree.

[craddock 0]

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It is obvious that a 10 year old kid is not mature enough,

Obvious to who? You? Spaniards? Germans?

I had my first pellet gun when I was much younger than 10. Almost every kid I know/knew did and you can be sure my kid will have his before then. He will have a .22 also by then hopefully. My 11 year old Brother in Law has high power rifles and larger bore shotguns in his gunsafe. I will let him clean and shoot my long guns anytime.

Don't push your European ideals on us please.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.