Lindsey 0 #176 March 31, 2005 I would love to know what kind of a medical assessment was being done that her father would have to leave.. She was near death already! If they were checking for a corneal reflex, for instance, they may not have wanted her parents there, especially if they had shown themselves to be lacking in restraint and composure. If they were doing caloric stimulation, they may not have wanted her parents there. I can definately understand their wanting him to leave the room. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #177 March 31, 2005 Quote Because she shouldn't have to die with ONLY her cheating husband What do you have against her husband? You don't seem to be very fond of him. Quote by her side and yes he cheated on her, he broke their marriage vows. He should have divorced her years ago. Which vows did he break? Quote Do you GROOM'S NAME take BRIDE'S NAME to be your wife – to live together after God’s ordinance – in the holy estate of matrimony? Will you love her, comfort her, honor and keep her, in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer, for better, for worse, in sadness and in joy, to cherish and continually bestow upon her your heart’s deepest devotion, forsaking all others, keep yourself only unto her as long as you both shall live? Quote Desperate people do desperate things during severally emotional times. True, like staging protests outside a hospice, and labeling an honorable man a murderer because he has tried so hard to honor his wife's final requests. Quote I just have more compassion for her parents than the "husband". I doubt that. If he didn't care for her, he would have given up a long time ago. Just so you know, a young woman missed her final minutes with a relative at the same hospice earlier in the week (I'll look up the story if you wish) because it took too long for her to get through the other "compassionate" protesters and media people outside the building. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #178 March 31, 2005 QuoteI would love to know what kind of a medical assessment was being done that her father would have to leave.. She was near death already! If they were checking for a corneal reflex, for instance, they may not have wanted her parents there, especially if they had shown themselves to be lacking in restraint and composure. If they were doing caloric stimulation, they may not have wanted her parents there. I can definately understand their wanting him to leave the room. linz Sounds good, I'm not a doctor, but considering the feeding tube was removed and death was very near why did they care about her nerves either ears or brain.... I stop posting...My only point was that without a will the parents should be able to make the decision regarding the finality of the children's life when that child can't make it themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #179 March 31, 2005 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just have more compassion for her parents than the "husband". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I doubt that. If he didn't care for her, he would have given up a long time ago. No, I have more compassion for the parents than the husband. I don't like him. He doesn't seem sincere, blah blah blah, read my earlier posts. I don't like his attorney, he gives me the creeps, blah blah blah. I guess according to your wedding vows you can go screw around all you want or your spouse can and its gonna be okay because it wasn't covered in your wedding vows. Although adultery is illegal in some state, charges are ususally not pursued.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #180 March 31, 2005 People who consider this situation mostly with their emotions are likely to take the parents' side; the emotions are strong, and very sympathetic in some ways. Their emotions are visible also -- and people with strong emotions can distrust those who don't show them easily. People who would rather use emotions only as a secondary input are more likely to keep more of a stone face. They don't show as much evidence of having the same strength of feelings. They might use different criteria for coming to the same decision. And they're more likely to understand someone who uses reasoning over emotion and feelings to make a decision. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #181 March 31, 2005 >Sounds good, I'm not a doctor, but considering the feeding tube was > removed and death was very near why did they care about her > nerves either ears or brain.... Cause: a) it's probably SOP at that hospice b) there are a lot of nosy people out there who DEMAND updates c) if she didn't get regular neurologic exams someone would say "Terri Schiavo's husband KNOWS she is recovering and is denying reasonable requests for neurologic exams because he knows they will discover it! Why does he want to keep her condition a secret? I don't trust him at all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #182 March 31, 2005 QuoteMy only point was that without a will the parents should be able to make the decision regarding the finality of the children's life when that child can't make it themselves. I hate to tell you this, but even with a will things can be contested and taken to court. I know, it happened with me and my money was tied up for close to four mouths while I was trying to raise two young boys alone, all because the in-laws thought they could do a better job. $10,000 and years later, I have two health boys that grew into wonderful adults and the in-laws that wanted to take them, heck they haven't been heard from for some time now.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #183 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Mike didn't have proof that she even said that, >but since he by law makes the desicions then it's up to him. Right. So once again: Let's say you are in such a situation. Your wife has told you she wants to live even if she's brain dead or close to it; her parents want to let her go. Who should prevail? Suppose you have no proof she said that; does that change things? No it doesn't without a living will the parents she have final say...... ridiculous.. lets apply that reasoning to everything.. you want to move out of state, she wants to move out of state, but the parents dont want you to move because its to far for them to travel (and they never liked them southerners anyways )... by your logic THEIR desires matter MORE than either of yours... WTF are you even talking about, I said when it comes to ending her life as it should be. then while you position may be consistent, your logic is clearly inconsistent, So the trust your wife places in you only takes precedence in some matters?? your wife has CHOSEN you to be her voice, to represent your (as a couple) interests in place of all others…yet you claim that, should your judgment disagree with her parents wishes, her parents decisions out weigh your own? Ridiculous., if you believe this, why get married at all??____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #184 March 31, 2005 Quote No, I have more compassion for the parents than the husband. Ah, Ok. I misunderstood what you meant by that. Quote I don't like him. He doesn't seem sincere Quote Just because he isn't playing the media game like the parents doesn't mean he isn't sincere. He has stuck by her for the last 15 years. It would have been much easier for him to just walk away, and he didn't. I respect him for that. Quote blah blah blah, read my earlier posts. I did and "blah,blah,blah" was about all I got out of it. Quote I don't like his attorney, he gives me the creeps, blah blah blah. So? Quote I guess according to your wedding vows you can go screw around all you want or your spouse can and its gonna be okay because it wasn't covered in your wedding vows. You brought up wedding vows being broken, not me, and I'm not married, so no wedding vows yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #185 March 31, 2005 I could be wrong saying this, but I would guess that most of our esteemed "Pro-Lifer" posters here are religious people. And I find it very humorous that on most days these religious people will defend marriage with tooth and nails. Yet when things don't go their way, they resort to other tactics like saying that parents rights should trump the rights of a spouse. Can you say "hypocrites"? I knew you could. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #186 March 31, 2005 From what I understand, the argument was with Terri's brother, who was asked to leave the room during an assessment. He protested, and an officer was called. It was noted that Terri was in her last minutes, and Michael Schiavo was summoned. Michael made the split second decision to exclude her brother from the room as he would've had to have been accompanied by a police officer to maintain the peace, and Michael didn't think Terri would have wanted an officer, unrelated to her, in the room as she passed. According to this same story, Michael was in the room, cradling Terri as she died. There are no winners in this situation. None. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #187 March 31, 2005 I admire people who do not take that easy way out. It's easy to discard someone like that, a lot harder to stay with them and fight for what they wanted. Very well said...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gkc1436 3 #188 March 31, 2005 >So he was widowed 15 years ago so he had no wife as of 15 years ago. Why would he fight for a dead woman to die? its called death with dignity..... and not being a poster child for drool cups Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #189 April 1, 2005 QuoteMy only point was that without a will the parents should be able to make the decision regarding the finality of the children's life when that child can't make it themselves. YIKES!!! This subject actually had me and my mom talking about what I want done should a similar situation happen to me. There's no way in HELL I want her making the decision for me. I specifically told her my wishes - let me die - and her comment - you'd better have it in writing or I will not. I love my mom dearly, but when it comes to medical and life/death situations regarding me, she will not be making the decisions. I now have an advance directive...my will has already been made awhile ago (need to update it). And should I ever get married again, my husband will be the one given the responsibility to ensure my wishes are carried out. And, yes, he'll have it in writing as well.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 03CLS 0 #190 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Mike didn't have proof that she even said that, >but since he by law makes the desicions then it's up to him. Right. So once again: Let's say you are in such a situation. Your wife has told you she wants to live even if she's brain dead or close to it; her parents want to let her go. Who should prevail? Suppose you have no proof she said that; does that change things? No it doesn't without a living will the parents she have final say...... ridiculous.. lets apply that reasoning to everything.. you want to move out of state, she wants to move out of state, but the parents dont want you to move because its to far for them to travel (and they never liked them southerners anyways )... by your logic THEIR desires matter MORE than either of yours... WTF are you even talking about, I said when it comes to ending her life as it should be. then while you position may be consistent, your logic is clearly inconsistent, So the trust your wife places in you only takes precedence in some matters?? your wife has CHOSEN you to be her voice, to represent your (as a couple) interests in place of all others…yet you claim that, should your judgment disagree with her parents wishes, her parents decisions out weigh your own? Ridiculous., if you believe this, why get married at all?? For the tax break? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 03CLS 0 #191 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy only point was that without a will the parents should be able to make the decision regarding the finality of the children's life when that child can't make it themselves. YIKES!!! This subject actually had me and my mom talking about what I want done should a similar situation happen to me. There's no way in HELL I want her making the decision for me. I specifically told her my wishes - let me die - and her comment - you'd better have it in writing or I will not. I love my mom dearly, but when it comes to medical and life/death situations regarding me, she will not be making the decisions. I now have an advance directive...my will has already been made awhile ago (need to update it). And should I ever get married again, my husband will be the one given the responsibility to ensure my wishes are carried out. And, yes, he'll have it in writing as well. That's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #192 April 1, 2005 According to the Shindler family priest that isn't true. Their priest said, during a TV interview this afternoon, that the Shindler family had been with her all day. She happened to die during her husband's visit.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 03CLS 0 #193 April 1, 2005 QuoteI could be wrong saying this, but I would guess that most of our esteemed "Pro-Lifer" posters here are religious people. And I find it very humorous that on most days these religious people will defend marriage with tooth and nails. Yet when things don't go their way, they resort to other tactics like saying that parents rights should trump the rights of a spouse. Can you say "hypocrites"? I knew you could. I think I said the part about parents trumping spouses right. And in this situation I still believe it. Even if the parents wanted her to pass. And I'm for abortion rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #194 April 1, 2005 I think South Park said it best with the "Best Friends Forever" episode this week, Kenny's living will's missing page. To paraphrase; "...whatever you do don't show me on national TV like this." "Oh Shit!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #195 April 1, 2005 QuoteThat's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Didn't have...what? A husband? Hence my advance directive and my will.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 03CLS 0 #196 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Didn't have...what? A husband? Hence my advance directive and my will. sorry, I meant your directive or will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #197 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Didn't have...what? A husband? Hence my advance directive and my will. sorry, I meant you directive or will. It is no longer applicable as I do have one. But, if I didn't and had a husband, my husband would make the choices for me. If I didn't have a husband, DZ.com and my close friends know what I want done. I'd hope they'd print out my posts from here and take them to court and fight my mom. And keep the bloody media out of it! I do not want to be a vegetable. If there is no hope of me continuing life as a fully functioning human being - and I mean taking care of myself (personal hygiene as well as being able to feed myself), recognizing friends/family, being able to make decisions, and communicate, I want the plug pulled!Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #198 April 1, 2005 For you to be this angry, someone must have hurt you very badly Judy.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #199 April 1, 2005 Quote I guess according to your wedding vows you can go screw around all you want or your spouse can and its gonna be okay because it wasn't covered in your wedding vows. Why don't you try 15 years with a partner who's a vegetable before shooting your mouth off about someone else's conduct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites likearock 2 #200 April 1, 2005 QuoteI could be wrong saying this, but I would guess that most of our esteemed "Pro-Lifer" posters here are religious people. And I find it very humorous that on most days these religious people will defend marriage with tooth and nails. Yet when things don't go their way, they resort to other tactics like saying that parents rights should trump the rights of a spouse. Can you say "hypocrites"? I knew you could. Actually, some of those Pro-Lifers might surprise you: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0513,hentoff,62489,6.html Wayne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 8 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
CanuckInUSA 0 #185 March 31, 2005 I could be wrong saying this, but I would guess that most of our esteemed "Pro-Lifer" posters here are religious people. And I find it very humorous that on most days these religious people will defend marriage with tooth and nails. Yet when things don't go their way, they resort to other tactics like saying that parents rights should trump the rights of a spouse. Can you say "hypocrites"? I knew you could. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #186 March 31, 2005 From what I understand, the argument was with Terri's brother, who was asked to leave the room during an assessment. He protested, and an officer was called. It was noted that Terri was in her last minutes, and Michael Schiavo was summoned. Michael made the split second decision to exclude her brother from the room as he would've had to have been accompanied by a police officer to maintain the peace, and Michael didn't think Terri would have wanted an officer, unrelated to her, in the room as she passed. According to this same story, Michael was in the room, cradling Terri as she died. There are no winners in this situation. None. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkc1436 3 #187 March 31, 2005 I admire people who do not take that easy way out. It's easy to discard someone like that, a lot harder to stay with them and fight for what they wanted. Very well said...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkc1436 3 #188 March 31, 2005 >So he was widowed 15 years ago so he had no wife as of 15 years ago. Why would he fight for a dead woman to die? its called death with dignity..... and not being a poster child for drool cups Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #189 April 1, 2005 QuoteMy only point was that without a will the parents should be able to make the decision regarding the finality of the children's life when that child can't make it themselves. YIKES!!! This subject actually had me and my mom talking about what I want done should a similar situation happen to me. There's no way in HELL I want her making the decision for me. I specifically told her my wishes - let me die - and her comment - you'd better have it in writing or I will not. I love my mom dearly, but when it comes to medical and life/death situations regarding me, she will not be making the decisions. I now have an advance directive...my will has already been made awhile ago (need to update it). And should I ever get married again, my husband will be the one given the responsibility to ensure my wishes are carried out. And, yes, he'll have it in writing as well.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #190 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Mike didn't have proof that she even said that, >but since he by law makes the desicions then it's up to him. Right. So once again: Let's say you are in such a situation. Your wife has told you she wants to live even if she's brain dead or close to it; her parents want to let her go. Who should prevail? Suppose you have no proof she said that; does that change things? No it doesn't without a living will the parents she have final say...... ridiculous.. lets apply that reasoning to everything.. you want to move out of state, she wants to move out of state, but the parents dont want you to move because its to far for them to travel (and they never liked them southerners anyways )... by your logic THEIR desires matter MORE than either of yours... WTF are you even talking about, I said when it comes to ending her life as it should be. then while you position may be consistent, your logic is clearly inconsistent, So the trust your wife places in you only takes precedence in some matters?? your wife has CHOSEN you to be her voice, to represent your (as a couple) interests in place of all others…yet you claim that, should your judgment disagree with her parents wishes, her parents decisions out weigh your own? Ridiculous., if you believe this, why get married at all?? For the tax break? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #191 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteMy only point was that without a will the parents should be able to make the decision regarding the finality of the children's life when that child can't make it themselves. YIKES!!! This subject actually had me and my mom talking about what I want done should a similar situation happen to me. There's no way in HELL I want her making the decision for me. I specifically told her my wishes - let me die - and her comment - you'd better have it in writing or I will not. I love my mom dearly, but when it comes to medical and life/death situations regarding me, she will not be making the decisions. I now have an advance directive...my will has already been made awhile ago (need to update it). And should I ever get married again, my husband will be the one given the responsibility to ensure my wishes are carried out. And, yes, he'll have it in writing as well. That's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #192 April 1, 2005 According to the Shindler family priest that isn't true. Their priest said, during a TV interview this afternoon, that the Shindler family had been with her all day. She happened to die during her husband's visit.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #193 April 1, 2005 QuoteI could be wrong saying this, but I would guess that most of our esteemed "Pro-Lifer" posters here are religious people. And I find it very humorous that on most days these religious people will defend marriage with tooth and nails. Yet when things don't go their way, they resort to other tactics like saying that parents rights should trump the rights of a spouse. Can you say "hypocrites"? I knew you could. I think I said the part about parents trumping spouses right. And in this situation I still believe it. Even if the parents wanted her to pass. And I'm for abortion rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #194 April 1, 2005 I think South Park said it best with the "Best Friends Forever" episode this week, Kenny's living will's missing page. To paraphrase; "...whatever you do don't show me on national TV like this." "Oh Shit!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #195 April 1, 2005 QuoteThat's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Didn't have...what? A husband? Hence my advance directive and my will.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #196 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Didn't have...what? A husband? Hence my advance directive and my will. sorry, I meant your directive or will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #197 April 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's fine, but what if you didn't have one? Didn't have...what? A husband? Hence my advance directive and my will. sorry, I meant you directive or will. It is no longer applicable as I do have one. But, if I didn't and had a husband, my husband would make the choices for me. If I didn't have a husband, DZ.com and my close friends know what I want done. I'd hope they'd print out my posts from here and take them to court and fight my mom. And keep the bloody media out of it! I do not want to be a vegetable. If there is no hope of me continuing life as a fully functioning human being - and I mean taking care of myself (personal hygiene as well as being able to feed myself), recognizing friends/family, being able to make decisions, and communicate, I want the plug pulled!Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #198 April 1, 2005 For you to be this angry, someone must have hurt you very badly Judy.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #199 April 1, 2005 Quote I guess according to your wedding vows you can go screw around all you want or your spouse can and its gonna be okay because it wasn't covered in your wedding vows. Why don't you try 15 years with a partner who's a vegetable before shooting your mouth off about someone else's conduct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #200 April 1, 2005 QuoteI could be wrong saying this, but I would guess that most of our esteemed "Pro-Lifer" posters here are religious people. And I find it very humorous that on most days these religious people will defend marriage with tooth and nails. Yet when things don't go their way, they resort to other tactics like saying that parents rights should trump the rights of a spouse. Can you say "hypocrites"? I knew you could. Actually, some of those Pro-Lifers might surprise you: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0513,hentoff,62489,6.html Wayne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
