lawrocket 3 #26 March 31, 2005 Quotelet me ask you directly then. what do you think of a guy like O'Reilly making up his own publication and statistics? Anybody who makes shit up to prove a point doesn't have a point worth making. Ironically, this is one of my chief complaints against the left - when the figures, facts and data don't support the point they make, they'll make up a story. Janet Cook had a point to make, and won a Pulitzer Prize for it. Of course, when discovered to be a hoax, it was taken away. O'Reilly is no better, and if he makes up numbers, that is a shame. It's also why I so enjoy reading many people's posts. Folks like billvon, quade, and many others actually have the facts and figures to back up their points. I.e., they actually can support their positions. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #27 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuotebut I respect Bill O'Reilly. Why do you respect him? Every once in a while he says the right thing and he's not a stupid person. He's still a hard core conservative. But you've also got to understand that (at least economically) I too am a conservative. It's when the religious get involved in politics to push their morals on the rest of society that I say "woo ... hold on a second there". You may or may not understand me here. We're all different. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #28 March 31, 2005 NPR is fed by my tax dollars, too. It so happens that I enjoy it, despite my libertarian leanings And another thing - we are skydivers talking about inaccuracies and ignorance of the media. WE ARE SKYDIVERS DISCUSSING IGNORANCE AND INACCURACIES OF THE MEDIA!!! Does this point really need to be driven home to skydivers? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 March 31, 2005 QuoteO'Reilly is no better, and if he makes up numbers, that is a shame. That is one of the main issues with Fox News though, even when caught making mistakes, or just plain making things up, they won't run correctioin notices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #30 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteO'Reilly is no better, and if he makes up numbers, that is a shame. That is one of the main issues with Fox News though, even when caught making mistakes, or just plain making things up, they won't run correctioin notices. That's not true. O'Reilly ran a slight correction notice last week the day after he slammed CA's medical weed laws. He is an opinionated yank (like there is not shortage of those). But he is not a stupid person. He just does what he needs to do to sell his TV show to his viewers. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 March 31, 2005 so when is he running his correction notice for making up a publication and statistics? Anyways, to me the CBC piece showed that many of these so called news reporters, talk show hosts etc are really no different from Jerry Springer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #32 March 31, 2005 I haven't seen this CBC show (yet). But Fox News does border on Springer style of reporting. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #33 March 31, 2005 >. . to sit on a stage and let Jon Stewart tear into them just like he did >on Crossfire. That was awesome. Yeah, it was. They actually had some slides ready to 'prove' that Stewart was biased too, and he replied "but you're CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls." Then later "But my point is this. If your idea of confronting me is that I don't ask hard-hitting enough news questions, we're in bad shape, fellows." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #34 April 1, 2005 Stewart has it easy in scenarios like this, he gets to snipe at pundits from their own platform and is unassailable because he anchors a comedy show, it's a gutless position. The appropriate response to his antics is to not have him on your show, I mean he's a comedian playing an anchor and they treat him like an anchor and get surprised when he burns them. Any pundit who gives Stewart a platform to attack them from is an idiot, however, I doubt he could do a fraction of the job they do if he were held to any standard. He can be funny but they brutally edit raw footage to make people they attack look like imbeciles. On the rare occasions I've seen full clips and their redacted versions and it's way beyond even what I thought they did. It's still funny but it used to be a lot better, their high point was the indecision 2000 coverage IMHO, I pretty much fast forward to see if there's a Lewis Black rant before deleting it on my TIVO now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #35 April 1, 2005 QuoteStewart has it easy in scenarios like this, he gets to snipe at pundits from their own platform and is unassailable because he anchors a comedy show, it's a gutless position. The appropriate response to his antics is to not have him on your show, I mean he's a comedian playing an anchor and they treat him like an anchor and get surprised when he burns them. Any pundit who gives Stewart a platform to attack them from is an idiot, however, I doubt he could do a fraction of the job they do if he were held to any standard. He can be funny but they brutally edit raw footage to make people they attack look like imbeciles. On the rare occasions I've seen full clips and their redacted versions and it's way beyond even what I thought they did. It's still funny but it used to be a lot better, their high point was the indecision 2000 coverage IMHO, I pretty much fast forward to see if there's a Lewis Black rant before deleting it on my TIVO now. It is not the quick edits that I find so appealing about Jon Stewart. It is his commentary in between these bits. There is a certain logic in what he says many times. And to say that he could not do the job as well as say, Tucker Carlson? That is ridiculous. He could easily do that hack's job. I have seen Crossfire. Hell, he could even do O' Riley's job if he swung that way. It cannot be that hard to be a loud mouth know-it-all who has a "No spin unless it is my spin" Zone. My problem is that the majority of cable news shows ARE NOT held up to proper journalistic standard. Watch them. Instead of facts and new ideas, we get party driven diatribes and opinion. On cable news programs these days, there are far more political pundits than journalists. That includes the left AND right. The worst part is that many Americans do not know the difference. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
