kallend 2,150 #26 March 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou do realize this is China telling us about human rights short comings, yes? If we get a D, what do they get, a Dennis Leary "Q" ?!? Just because China gets an "F" does not in any way improve the USA's record. Can you point to the factual errors in the article, rather than attacking its authorship? We just discussed that in the replies above. I have not noticed any detailed rebuttal to the alleged facts presented in the article. For example, to the incarceration rate or the murder rate or the rate of violent crime.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #27 March 30, 2005 QuoteToo bad those @#$%^&* can't say the same thing about their shit hole. Well, they can say it on their little pravda network, but that doesn't make it true. Been to China lately? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdD 1 #28 March 30, 2005 QuoteBeing Canadian I am certainly no expert, but are there any factual issues with the piece? Ya, just because China said it doesn't make it untrue.Life is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 March 30, 2005 QuoteWhat about next time the US moans about someone else's human rights record and people all over the world say: "You do realize this is the US telling them about human rights short comings, yes?" That's not a particularly great boat to be in. It's a pretty sweet ride. Whereas the Chinese are on the Titanic. It's not bad human rights for criminals to be jailed. And it takes decades to execute them here. How long do the Chinese take? 5 minutes? Or for some of the citizens to be below the poverty line. I've been in the better cities of China and our impoverished are doing a lot better than much of their norm. There aren't too many factual errors with their piece, but it's the facts that are omitted that are the key. Nonetheless, it's pretty amusing to me. Until 9/11 happened, we were well on our way to a new Cold War with China on the other end. As China's rapid growth starts tapping into the maxed out oil production, it will probably start up again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #30 March 30, 2005 QuoteThere aren't too many factual errors with their piece, but it's the facts that are omitted that are the key. Yeah, they forgot to mention Guantanamo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #31 April 2, 2005 http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050331-104928-8899r.htm QuotePrime violators hold seats on U.N. rights panel By Desikan Thirunarayanapuram THE WASHINGTON TIMES The world's most repressive countries hold more than a quarter of the seats in the Geneva-based U.N. Human Rights Commission and their presence has subverted the panel's mandate, a respected watchdog group reported yesterday. In its annual report on the world's biggest human-rights abusers, Freedom House lists 18 countries as the "worst of the worst regimes" and notes that six of them -- China, Cuba, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe -- are members of the commission. "Repressive governments enjoying [U.N. Human Rights Commission] membership work in concert and have successfully subverted the commission's mandate," Freedom House Executive Director Jennifer Windsor said. "Rather than serving as the proper international forum for identifying and publicly censuring the world's most egregious human rights violators, the [commission] instead protects abusers, enabling them to sit in judgment of democratic states that honor and respect the rule of law," she said. When Cuba was re-elected to a three-year term on the panel in April 2003, the White House denounced it, saying the move "is like putting Al Capone in charge of bank security." Yesterday in Geneva, the United States announced plans to introduce a resolution in the commission censuring Cuba for its human rights record. Besides the six members of the rights commission, the countries listed among the most repressive are: Belarus, Burma, Equatorial Guinea, Haiti, Laos, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Vietnam. Nine other countries -- Bhutan, Egypt, Guinea, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Swaziland and Togo -- that are members of the rights commission have been rated "not free" by Freedom House. "Not free" countries hold 15 out of the 53 seats on the commission. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in a March 21 report on reforming the United Nations, acknowledged that the presence of suspect countries has dealt a severe blow to the credibility of the rights commission and proposed replacing it with a "Human Rights Council." Members of the council would be chosen based on their compliance with the "highest human rights standards," he said. Mr. Annan's proposal received mixed response from diplomats and the human rights community. "Instead of defending human rights, the commission has become an Abusers' Defense Society," Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said in an interview with The Washington Times. He said Mr. Annan "is right to conclude that a new council, composed of governments that are genuinely committed to human rights, is the only way to end the travesty." According to the proposal, the council would be elected directly by member states of the U.N. General Assembly by a two-thirds majority. Apparently there are others who find China commenting on Human Rights to be a problem.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
