DrunkMonkey 0 #1 March 29, 2005 This time, Pope John Paul II. I just heard a radio news bit that the Pope is having difficulty swallowing, and they may install a gastric feeding tube. It's odd how things happen in pairs/trios in the news... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #2 March 29, 2005 And you've got to think that based on his Catholic beliefs (you know all that Pro-Life mumbo-jumbo ... commit suicide and you are damned to eternal hell), he would rather live as a vegetable than to put himself out of his own misery. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #3 March 29, 2005 The pope is still conscious, aware of his surroundings and able to communicate. How does it even compare to the Terri Sciavo case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #4 March 29, 2005 Hey [deleted]: While I am pro choice, I was raised Catholic, and I do not advoctate the Pope's demise. I only said he was potentially getting a feeding tube. The difference here is that he's cognitively perfect, whereas Schiavo is a meatloaf with a pulse. Post edited to remove personal attack. Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #5 March 29, 2005 QuoteThe pope is still conscious, aware of his surroundings and able to communicate. How does it even compare to the Terri Sciavo case? I did not imply a lack of consciousness. I only said that the Pope, another person of newsworthy status, was possibly getting a feeding tube. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #6 March 29, 2005 I did not mean to sound like I was saying the Pope is in the same condition that Terri is in. He's obviously still with us. But he is in really bad shape with no chance of regaining his former health. He is dying ... Now where would you like me to shove my [deleted]? You can throw your insults any way you want. I don't care. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #7 March 29, 2005 QuoteAnd you've got to think that based on his Catholic beliefs (you know all that Pro-Life mumbo-jumbo ... commit suicide and you are damned to eternal hell), he would rather live as a vegetable than to put himself out of his own misery. And in this politically correct world, anti-Catholic speech is still acceptable. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #8 March 29, 2005 Can we put this thread out of its misery please? Or at least return to the discussion about whether it's up to a person or the folks around them whether they live or die, and does cognitive impairment matter? If someone who is totally dependent brings out the best in his community, how can you say that their existence is in vain? Is my existence only my own business? Personally, I think it's my decision about my existence. Up to a point. Just as I know what I'd prefer to have done with my remains (well, sort of -- I don't care that much). But when the time comes, it's no longer my decision. My most fervent hope is that no one will fight over it. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #9 March 29, 2005 The Catholic clergy has been oppressing their followers with idiotic threats of being damned to hell for centuries (and there is no sign that they intend to stop anytime soon). Call it whatever you want. Some of us (non-Catholics) just have to laugh that some of these followers still take their clergy seriously. Once again, call me anything you want (bring on the PAs). Shit I don't even care if you hate me for it. I just don't care ... because I'd rather follow the words of my signature "Less bitching, more jumping" than follow some religious leaders who are out of touch with everything around them. God may exist, but the bible is fiction. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #10 March 29, 2005 Steve, I have never hated you. What I do hate is hate speech about any group. If you believe it, it's probably best to keep it to yourself instead of taking the risk of offending one of your fellow .commers. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #11 March 29, 2005 Tell you what, if the Catholic church can keep themselves out of the mass media, (and by extension, my life) I'll stop criticising them. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #12 March 29, 2005 QuoteI have never hated you. And I don't hate you. QuoteWhat I do hate is hate speech about any group. If you believe it, it's probably best to keep it to yourself instead of taking the risk of offending one of your fellow .commers. Point taken. You've just got to understand that I am in a squirrelly mood right now. I was baptized Lutheran (a spin off of the Catholic church), but have since gone on to become Agnostic once I started to form my own decisions based on my own life experiences (remembering that I am not a young spring chicken here). Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #13 March 29, 2005 QuoteTell you what, if the Catholic church can keep themselves out of the mass media, (and by extension, my life) I'll stop criticising them. Would I get flamed here if I repeated your quote but changed Catholic Church with Buddhists, Jews, Atheists, Blacks, Gays, Women...etc.? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #14 March 29, 2005 If you changed it to any other religion, I think you'd get laughed at, not flamed. Feel free to try, though - this is Speakers Corner after all. As far as I've noticed, Blacks, Gays, and Women don't have institutionalized, mass marketed Dogma. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #15 March 29, 2005 These are the parameters I am following in Speaker's Corner. It's the top thread of this forum written by BillVon. Chris QuoteFrom the DZ.com rules: ------------------ Personal attacks and hate posts will not be tolerated in any forum. . . Posts that contain material that we deem to be blatantly or unnecessarily racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, pornographic, or otherwise offensive, will be removed. A member who is rude, excessively profane, or disruptive may receive a warning or may be suspended or banned immediately. ----------------- That means no comments about towelheads or sand niggers, and no gratuitious attacks on a race or religion. There is much discussion going on about the role of Islam in the Iraq war / the 9-11 attacks etc and that's fine. But a few people have been pushing the limits of that lately. This is fair warning that it won't be tolerated any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #16 March 29, 2005 >And in this politically correct world, anti-Catholic speech is still acceptable. This isn't the world, this is speaker's corner. You can be anti french, anti UN, anti bush, anti kerry. anti catholic, anti muslim, anti terrorist, anti liberator, anti basically anything. Indeed, this forum is intended for such discussions. As always the provisions against flamebait. personal attacks, and hate speech applies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #17 March 29, 2005 Interesting, we just posted at the same time. Care to elaborate on your very own post? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #18 March 29, 2005 Read the post you quoted. It was about people calling muslims 'towelheads' etc. It was surely never meant to prohibit criticism of any religion. That would be needless censorship. Therefore I can happily say that Islam is sexist, Catholicism clings to outdated dogma and the Jewish faith is extremely damaging to pig farmers. No attacks, just critical observations.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #19 March 29, 2005 Quoteno gratuitious attacks on a race or religion. Just in case you missed this part of Bill's quote. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderbow 1 #20 March 29, 2005 Quote than follow some religious leaders who are out of touch with everything around them. reply] John Paul II has logged more than 1,126,541 kilometers from visits to 102 countries, which is like going around the earth close to 30 times. I would think that he is more in touch with everything than anyone posting in any forum on this site. Part of forming your own opinion is learning about what is behind other's opinions. To quote Bishop Shean: "Millions of people hate what they think is the Catholic Church but few hate what the Church actually is.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord, let me be the person my dog thinks I am. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #21 March 29, 2005 Quote If you believe it, it's probably best to keep it to yourself instead of taking the risk of offending one of your fellow .commers. Offend each other? Isn't that what SC is for? Seriously, People worry about offending each other way too much... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #22 March 29, 2005 Quoteno gratuitious attacks on a race or religion. That is not a blanket ban on critical speech. Hell if you go back to the original post you replied to it was Pro-life views that were referred to as 'mumbo jumbo'. Criticism of the catholic church was only implied, as the catholic church generaly supports pro life views.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #23 March 29, 2005 I think you need to look up the word gratuitous. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #24 March 29, 2005 >Care to elaborate on your very own post? ?? Nothing more to say, really. You can discuss whatever you want; you cannot post things that have no other purpose other than to piss people off and/or start fights. "The pope is a cocksucker." - will be deleted. "The catholic church has a lot of child abusers in their clergy" - won't be, because there have been a lot of news reports about just that. "Sand niggers should all die so they can get their 76 virgins" - will be deleted. "Islam is the religion of Al Qaeda because muslims want to wage jihad" - won't be, because regardless of the accuracy of that statement, this is the place to discuss it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #25 March 29, 2005 No, I do not need to look up the definition of 'gratuitous'. I already know what it means. Those who take pleasure in reading anti-Catholic writings would never perceive the original post as gratuitous. Those who are offended by it do see it as gratuitous. Trust me, I really do not care what anyone's opinion is in regard to my faith. I will defend it though. I realize this is SC and disagreements will always be here. I do think though that people here know when they are crossing the line from disagreement to offensive. I also know that your side will always be defended due to the personal bias of one of our fellow posters. So, go ahead...post away. I'll be fine as will you. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
justinb138 0 #21 March 29, 2005 Quote If you believe it, it's probably best to keep it to yourself instead of taking the risk of offending one of your fellow .commers. Offend each other? Isn't that what SC is for? Seriously, People worry about offending each other way too much... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #22 March 29, 2005 Quoteno gratuitious attacks on a race or religion. That is not a blanket ban on critical speech. Hell if you go back to the original post you replied to it was Pro-life views that were referred to as 'mumbo jumbo'. Criticism of the catholic church was only implied, as the catholic church generaly supports pro life views.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #23 March 29, 2005 I think you need to look up the word gratuitous. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #24 March 29, 2005 >Care to elaborate on your very own post? ?? Nothing more to say, really. You can discuss whatever you want; you cannot post things that have no other purpose other than to piss people off and/or start fights. "The pope is a cocksucker." - will be deleted. "The catholic church has a lot of child abusers in their clergy" - won't be, because there have been a lot of news reports about just that. "Sand niggers should all die so they can get their 76 virgins" - will be deleted. "Islam is the religion of Al Qaeda because muslims want to wage jihad" - won't be, because regardless of the accuracy of that statement, this is the place to discuss it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #25 March 29, 2005 No, I do not need to look up the definition of 'gratuitous'. I already know what it means. Those who take pleasure in reading anti-Catholic writings would never perceive the original post as gratuitous. Those who are offended by it do see it as gratuitous. Trust me, I really do not care what anyone's opinion is in regard to my faith. I will defend it though. I realize this is SC and disagreements will always be here. I do think though that people here know when they are crossing the line from disagreement to offensive. I also know that your side will always be defended due to the personal bias of one of our fellow posters. So, go ahead...post away. I'll be fine as will you. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
