male rape argument

[kansasskydiver 0]

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so she forced him got get a hard on...
wow.. i cant think of a time were my penis were hard were i didnt wanted to get laid...

im not buying it..........

Have you ever woken up in the middle of the night with a hardon? Or for that matter, woken up in the middle of the night to have your S.O. doing something to you...

Now take that and being drunk. I could totally see it happening. It's happen to me, but it wasn't rape. She was my gf, I was drunk and had no memory of it in the morning. She said she was trying to turn me on, I got hard but didn't wake up, but she did it anyways.

There is no gender specific to rape. Ever seen Disclouser? The problem is that (and I don't mean this in an assholish way) woman have the power and the say to all this. A guy at a party I had once got charge with rape months after he slept with a girl, reason, because she f*cked her best friends bf and her friend got pissed. To cover it up, she said he raped her. The funny part of this story is, I slept with her that night too, not knowing of course of all this other stuff. She claimed she was drunk, everything was going to be ok etc etc etc. When she took it to the cops they brought me in too. I hadn't talked to the other guy. Our stories matched exactly. What happen to her? Nothing, to him however, he had to leave town because of what she said and lied about.

Another case that was posted here I believe a while back. Girl goes to party and gets trashed (like 13 year old) Goes up stairs with a couple 16 yr olds. Has an orgy with them, gives them head, double stuff etc etc etc. However at one point in time she made the comment "I should probably be getting home now" but the kid screwing her from behind didn't stop.

He was convicted of rape because he didn't stop. The girl's a slut, felt bad for what she did, so to make herself feel better, she claims she got raped...

I think it's gone too far. I think rape is a horrible thing and in the real cases, the guy's dick should be cut off, but in all these other cases, give me a break. If the girl's a slut, tough shit.

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[mr2mk1g 10]

Look at the location of the original poster. Consider what jurisdiction might apply there and consider if I might perhaps have provided the relevant legislation for that jurisdiction. Consider if the guy who posted actually gives a damn what the law is in Alaska. Still want me to look at the law again?

[chuckbrown 0]

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Gender doesn't matter.

That's the case with most states. Actually, I'm not aware of any states where gender matters. If there's sexual contact without consent, there's a criminal violation irrespective of the sex of the perpetrator or victim.

[yoink 321]

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Still want me to look at the law again?

I want you to look at the law again!!! I've got a case of Becks and a case of Oranjeboom here that I'm loathe to give away! The guy who'll win it drinks Carling for petes sake! HELP ME!

You're a lawyer! Find me a loophole dagnamit!

[chuckbrown 0]

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Look at the location of the original poster. Consider what jurisdiction might apply there and consider if I might perhaps have provided the relevant legislation for that jurisdiction. Consider if the guy who posted actually gives a damn what the law is in Alaska. Still want me to look at the law again?

Touche. I'll leave this thread to the UK posters.

[mr2mk1g 10]

I've told you - I'll look for a UK loophole so you can win your 2 cases of beer for the small and very reasonable fee of 4 cases of beer.

Our Alaskan friend might just have provided you with a loophole you could slip though - simply find a state where it is possible for a woman to rape a man and present them with that - "there you go - you never said where it was impossible - just that it was impossible".

Be anal with the wording of the rules.

[ladyskydiver 0]

Hey, Yoink...does it matter if it's UK law or elsewhere? You haven't specified in your posts. If your argument doesn't have to be UK specific, you might be able to find lawyers or lawyer types elsewhere that'll be able to help you win your argument - Alaska for example.

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[tigra 0]

Sorry, but a 16 year old boy having sex with an intoxicated 13 year old CHILD should be considered rape, even if said child behaved like a "slut". If the boys were 18, there would be no question that it was rape simply because of the girl's age. The fact that technically those boys were underage as well doesn't excuse their behaviour. The child may be a slut, but the boys were rapists and deliberately took advantage of an intoxicated/ incapacitated CHILD!

That's a really BAD example you sited!

[yoink 321]

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Be anal with the wording of the rules.

I can do that.... I was always warned that lawyers were expensive...

It was originally posted from a UK perspective, but the difference in law is interesting.

[RfukfreeflyingW 0]

OK I understand this is U.S. law, but here goes. In 1962 the United States Model Penal Code (MPC) was established the MPC defined rape as "A man who has sexual intercourse with a female, not his wife, is guilty of rape if...he compels her to submit by force, or threat of force, or threat of imminent death, serious bodily injury, extreme pain or kidnapping." So at that point it was only a man can rape a women. In 1975 Michigan's Criminal Sexual Conduct Statute became the national model. which included both genders being able to rape. that statute led to the Illinois Criminal Sexual Assault Statute which is the National Model today. In the Illinois Model, Rape is "gender Neutral" which would include Men and Women as being able to commit rape. It includes "acts of sexual penetration other than vaginal penetration by a penis" which is any hole you can penetrate with anything (yes that includes the ear) this statute is also the start of considering rape as "taking advantage of an incapacitated victim." Now thats just the National Model, states use that guideline to formulate their Rape or Sexual assault laws. If you look at the Federal Criminal COde (title 18, Chapter 109A, Sections 2241-2243) u will find these guidelines. you will also find the Federal Criminal Code does not use the term "rape" and deosnt require the victim to label the act as rape in order to meets the elements of a crime. This code recognizes Aggravated sexual abuse, and sexual abuse. Which means that women can commit a rape or sexual assault just what they get charged with depends if your state defines those acts as rape or sexual assault. Some states there is a difference between the two crimes, some states they are the same. sorry this is so long...

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[Nightingale 0]

No info for the UK, but in the US, a male can be raped by a female, as defined by law (which varies from state to state). As it appears your bet didn't specify jurisdiction (unless you agreed it had to be UK), this should suffice.

Here ya go:

Mary K. Letourneau (female) pled guilty to the 2nd degree child rape of Vili Fualaau (male)

Case Citation: 100 Wn. App. 424


Rev. Code Wash. (ARCW) § 9A.44.076 (2004)

§ 9A.44.076. Rape of a child in the second degree


(1) A person is guilty of rape of a child in the second degree when the person has sexual intercourse with another who is at least twelve years old but less than fourteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least thirty-six months older than the victim.

(2) Rape of a child in the second degree is a class A felony.

[livendive 8]

Statuatory rape is possible, at a minimum. I believe "regular" rape is possible as well.

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[DrewGPM 0]

Even if you site the alaska ruling...i don't see how you win that bet. In Alaska there is no such thing as rape...according to the law. The bet is whether a man can be raped by a woman. According to the law in alaska, women can't be raped...so how can a man be raped?

You need to find a jurisdiction that has rape defined in a non-gender specific manner.

Since you in the UK, it appear that you lose the legal arguement.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Rape

The only way to win is to convince the person that your bet did not require law or legal precedent. The dictionary definition paints a different picture of rape.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rape

You can also look for rape counseling centers to support your claim.

http://66.216.123.69/RTC/Facts+and+Quotes/Definitions/Facts+Overview.htm

[ChrisL 2]

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so she forced him got get a hard on...
wow.. i cant think of a time were my penis were hard were i didnt wanted to get laid...

im not buying it..........

The body and the mind do not always act in concert. This has been proven many times. A man CAN become physically aroused (achieve an erection) while not wanting to. IT happens all the time against our will.

Are you saying that you have never had an erection at an inappropriate time and didnt want to have it?

It is quite possible for a woman to rape a man in the sense that she can cause him to become physically aroused when he doesnt want to and have intercourse against his will.

You dont have to buy it for it to be a fact

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[Darius11 12]

I think that’s a great example.
People need to take responsibilitie for there actions. I bet there is more then a few cases that someone’s shame has ruined a mans life. I think if it can be proven that it was BS she should go to jail.
You hear shit like this happen all the time in universities. If you know you become a slut when you drink or do drugs then don’t. Don’t get hammered fuck someone then call him a rapist.

The rape laws we have right now are very hypocritical. So are the child support and divorce laws but that’s another subject.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[huka551 0]

***No person could make it hard against my will.


I don't know if I agree with that. Test that theory out. Let a female try, see if you have such amazing control of your member, that even if she was giving you an amazing BJ that your flesh would not respond, without your mind giving it permission.

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[Botellines 0]

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...that even if she was giving you an amazing BJ that your flesh would not respond...

Knowck it off!!!! I am already hard!!!

Now, just to add something serious to the post, i believe it is possible to hve an involuntary hard on. Just an example: If i happen to be in the same room than Martina Klein in lingerie (her, not me), i would surely get a hard on in no time. It doesn´t mean i would have sex with her, only because i am faithfull to my girldfriend, but i would still be aroused by her presence, hence the need to wear elastic shorts.

[Botellines 0]

Regarding what i said about not having sex with MArtina Klein.... Who am i trying to fool?

[jenfly00 0]

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The point is, the two acts differ in name alone.

The chick will still be prosecuted for a sexual offence, still go to jail, still have her name entered on the sexual offenders list still have all that on her record.

She will be less likely to be seriously investigated, less likely to be arrested, more likely to be released on bail (and for a lesser amount), less likely to be convicted. If convicted, will serve a lighter sentence and more likely to be released eary. She then will appear on talk shows and gain support for having her love suppressed by an indifferent male dominated society. :) Not really the same, eh?

Thre was a teacher here in the US (Latorneau?) who has sex with a minor (here student) and only repeated offenses resulted in any jail time whatsoever).

Jen

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