EBSB52 0 #51 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat's funny is that the US has the fewest social programs out there as compared to most of the rest of the world, yet the conservative approach is to decry thema nd claim we are a Socialist country every time someone mentions a guy like FDR or a food stamp program. Yes and your point is? We can't keep up the pyramid scheme known as social security and you want to credit the creator as being great? My point is that we have probably more homeless people than most other developed countries. We have more people w/o medical insurance, some 43 million. Yet we have more millionaires/billionaires than other countries too. It speaks volumes of a country howthey treat their poor. We can't keep up the pyramid scheme known as social security and you want to credit the creator as being great? And whos' the deceitfull benefactor with this pyramid scheme? The poor, the disabled, the elderly? How dare them want their scant sustenance, I say soilent green with them. I can't understand why we have such high rates of violence and theft when we are such a greed-based society. We'll just build more prisons becuase these people must be mad. Explain your metaphor of pyramid scheme please. As for keeping it up, Socialism is far older than gross Capitalism, so I would be so quick to say we can't maintainb SOcialism in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #52 March 29, 2005 QuoteI cannot think of just one, so I am going to make a list of folks who made a courageous difference: George Washington Thomas Edison James Madison George Washington Carver Lewis and Clark FDR JFK MLK Jr. Rosa Parks Ronald Reagan And here's my current vote: Ashley Smith I'm sure there are many more that I cannot think of off the top of my head. I also want to include Winston Churchill as an honorary great American. Chris Nice list, but, "Ronald Reagan?" He couldn't even change his diaper for the latter half of his presidency. He was the continuing author to American FAscism; he took over where Hoover left off - how is he great? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #53 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuote Amazing.... how can anyone slam the US for their action in WWII? We were golden. Americans acted virtually to a man with honor and distinction once they entered the fray. However many Poles, Frenchmen, Czecks, Canadians, Austrailians, Kiwis, South Africans, et cetera died for want of their assistance during the period before Pearl Harbour. The official American stance was 'not our problem' until they were attacked. QuoteI guess you klike the handling of the Iraq war? As for jumoing in at a hearts beat, what if yiour friends ar ethe ones stirring the pot? What if helping your friends means ignoring your country that is in bad shape to fight a meaningless war? WWII was not a meaningless war. There was a very clearly defined bad guy. The fact that it was Poles and Frenchmen dying and not Americans was no excuse QuoteLet's see, are we going after China for fucking with Taiwan? Naw, JDumbya's balls aren't that big. The free world may not be able to save Taiwan but you better believe the US will try. GWB was very clear about this and so has congress been over the last thirty years. When the US was attacked four years ago their friends showed up. Canada was not attacked, but our servicemen and women spilled blood in Afghnistan, and are still there. Americans acted virtually to a man with honor and distinction once they entered the fray. However many Poles, Frenchmen, Czecks, Canadians, Austrailians, Kiwis, South Africans, et cetera died for want of their assistance during the period before Pearl Harbour. The official American stance was 'not our problem' until they were attacked. And now we overreact as part of our Imperialism protocol - I liked it before. WWII was not a meaningless war. There was a very clearly defined bad guy. The fact that it was Poles and Frenchmen dying and not Americans was no excuse Go back and reread. The pint that I was making was that WWII and the Civil War were substantive, the Itar War and VN were meaningless inthat there is no goal acheived at the end.... basically masturbation at the cost of thousands of lives. The free world may not be able to save Taiwan but you better believe the US will try. GWB was very clear about this and so has congress been over the last thirty years. When the US was attacked four years ago their friends showed up. Canada was not attacked, but our servicemen and women spilled blood in Afghnistan, and are still there. The US will do nothing with China, just likethe P3 matter 5 years ago, remember? We only fuck with small countries that can't get 1 single acft off the ground, like Iraq. And then we brag superiority. What has America done with/against China for the last 30 years besides throw gobs of $$$ at them to improve their manufacturing base so they can work wth Russia to buikd their respective militaries? We were attacked by a man with an army (OBL), not a country. We and a very few of our allies counter-attacked by going after a leader of a country where the SOB was supposed to be hiding - no OBL, no WMD. Subsequently our friends are pulling out. I'm notunderming any countries sacrafices, just that many allies help the US do unsavory tasks for the help in other areas. I think far more highly of Canada than do I think of the US for their internal policies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #54 March 29, 2005 If you want socialized medicine - good for you. I don't. Your hypothesis that conservatives are against social programs unless it's for them has no basis in fact. Try again. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #55 March 29, 2005 QuoteWWII was not a meaningless war. There was a very clearly defined bad guy. The fact that it was Poles and Frenchmen dying and not Americans was no excuse Not if you were Joseph Kennedy (Ambassador to Britain). He advised FDR to cozy up to Germany (because they were bound to win) and corresponded with Hitler praising his treatment of the jews.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #56 March 29, 2005 I can't belive that on this site out of all of them, no one has nominated Bill Booth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #57 March 29, 2005 Quote If your child needs dialysis for all his/her life, I want taxpayers to pay for it, how about you? I don't. Why do you? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USNLawdog 0 #58 March 29, 2005 My selections are in no particular order but should all be considered in my book. The Three Stooges (Moe, Larry and Curly) The Marx Brothers (gotta love groucho) Mel Blanc (For Looney Tunes) Ed O'Neil (GO AL!! 4 TD's 1 Game) Rudy Boesch (45 Yr Navy SEAL Vet and could still take those kids on Survivor) and finally The American fighting men from the revolutionary war to tommorow (god bless them all)"I've taken the liberty of drafting your confession, you will be given a fair trial and then taken out back and shot." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #59 March 29, 2005 How about some non-pols and non-military? Like Jonas Salk, the Wright brothers, Thomas Edison, John von Neumann, Shockley...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #60 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnd social programs make a country great in your book? Hmmm... What few we have definately do. If your child needs dialysis for all his/her life, I want taxpayers to pay for it, how about you? See, all these conservatives against social programs change their tune when it comes to them, but fuck everyone else. No, conservatives don't. Whether you like it or not, socialism is dying worldwide and in the US. The left as we know it in America is dying. Why? Because world experience is showing how communism and socialism tend to destroy. How does a nation of "let someone else pay for it" thinkers end up great? I'll tell you, many countries that were great (think Western Europe) are in a tailspin since the great social programs. And they accellerate ever faster around the drain. Why? Look at what Germany and France and other Euro-nations are trying to do by their easing of labor restrictions. Unemployment is artificially high there because employers simply are not allowed to lay people off in economic downturns. So employers don't hire people in upturns. So upturns are less and less. But, Germany ain't having much luck with it. Neither is France. It turns out that people hold on dearly to gravy trains. Another question - why is it that socialism and communism doesn't seem to be sustainable? Look at the evidence of countries that went socialist and communist compared to capitalist countries like Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. Socialism has the moral underpinning of robbing the rich to give to the poor. When socialism reaches that goal, there are no more rich. Okay. You can't take from the rich anymore because there aren't any. Then the system collapses. Socialism inherently has this problem that the ultimate goal has the side effect of destroying it, I do not question FDR's greatness. I'll list him in my top 5 greatest Americans. His impact sure lasted longer than any president of the 20th century. But I don't believe that the impact is a good one in the long run. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #61 March 29, 2005 Shockley changed the world with the transistor. He should not have strayed into studying and speaking on genetics, though... It kinda tarnished him... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #62 March 29, 2005 QuoteThe Marx Brothers (gotta love groucho) Groucho, Harpo and maybe Chico But not Zeppo or Gummo ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #63 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteCharlton Heston No offense to your choice, I am just curious as to your logic... Charlton Heston: (A) brought himself out of dirt poor roots and made something of himself without crushing people (B) joined in MLK's march on Washington, believed in and participated in the civil rights movement long before it was ever "popular" in Hollywood (C) has led the civil rights fight for personal freedom and gun rights (D) has never once waivered in fighting for his beliefs/morals/ideals (E) called that guy a "damned dirty ape" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #64 March 29, 2005 Great question...it was nice to sit and ponder it for a few minutes. Tops to Benjamin Franklin Runners-up: Thomas Jefferson and Samuel Clemens. Honorable mention: Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, and Ernest Hemingway. Also rans: Ralph Waldo Emerson, Martin Luther King Jr, Linus Pauling Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #65 March 29, 2005 i expect that small, ignorant minds would say something like that. if somebody would bother to do a litlle research before blurting out opinions like this, they would honor his memory._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #66 March 29, 2005 QuoteNice list, but, "Ronald Reagan?" He couldn't even change his diaper for the latter half of his presidency. It is 3rd grade comments like this that makes it difficult for me to take you seriously. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
321seeya 0 #67 March 29, 2005 How about Jonas Salk? He DID cure Polio...Or perhaps someone as simple as Mr. Rogers...or Capt Kangaroo, where wold we be with out the likes of them or Fred and Ernie? BASE 3:16 - Even if you are about to land on a cop - DONT FORGET TO FLARE! Free the soul -- DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #68 March 29, 2005 Mohummed Ali John Steinbeck JFK (just for the vision for the apollo missions) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #69 March 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteCharlton Heston No offense to your choice, I am just curious as to your logic... Charlton Heston: (A) brought himself out of dirt poor roots and made something of himself without crushing people (B) joined in MLK's march on Washington, believed in and participated in the civil rights movement long before it was ever "popular" in Hollywood (C) has led the civil rights fight for personal freedom and gun rights (D) has never once waivered in fighting for his beliefs/morals/ideals (E) called that guy a "damned dirty ape" Fair enough, sounds good (though not like my opinion matters)... Though I did especially like (E)..."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #70 March 29, 2005 Wierd Al Yankovic Daffy Duck Beavis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #71 March 29, 2005 Barney ....... nothing says America more to me than Barney (sorry folks) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #72 March 29, 2005 Tony!?! Do you really hate my country that much? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #73 March 29, 2005 shucks, you got me banged to rights guvna (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #74 March 29, 2005 I think I'd put Jim Henson on the list. Encouraging people to dream and imagine is probably one of the most important things someone can do. I'd venture to say that Kermit the Frog had some hand in shaping most of our childhoods. From Time Magazine: Jim Henson can be credited with many accomplishments: he had the most profound influence on children of any entertainer of his time; he adapted the ancient art of puppetry to the most modern of mediums, television, transforming both; he created a TV show that was one of the most popular on earth. But Henson's greatest achievement was broader than any of these. Through his work, he helped sustain the qualities of fancifulness, warmth and consideration that have been so threatened by our coarse, cynical age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #75 March 29, 2005 Quoteshucks, you got me banged to rights guvna Can I get an English-to-English translation here?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
