DEA agent shoots himself in foot while giving a gun safety talk in school
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Quote>I don't know what the analog would be in skydiving - failing to
>confirm there is a main packed in the container?
Failing to open. Is Michelle Spray an idiot?
Failing to pull the right handle, twice in a row. Is Rob Harris an idiot?
Sewing your pilot chute pouch closed. Is Patrick DeGayardon an idiot?
50% of Americans have IQ < 100. Why should I assume the average gun owner is any less of an idiot than this guy?
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50% of Americans have IQ < 100. Why should I assume the average gun owner is any less of an idiot than this guy?
How many of them managed to shoot themselves by accident?
Pretty damn few of them.
You wouldn't you wouldn't assume they were less or more, because there is no stats to really back that up.
Again, I don't care about the crime stats, you are the one that posted them. I am just trying to point out that your viewpoint and usage changes as the facts go along.
To make any general assumption about guns based on this guy, is just that, it is assumptive. I agree with Bill what do we all say whenever the media points to one skydiver on RealTV and declares how we are all deathdefying loonies?
Opinions are opinions, not facts, and this thread is filled with opinions. The only reason I posted was to try and say your opinions wander and invert based on the response you get.
This guy made a mistake, a foolish one, and was a bad example for both law enforcement and gun safety. Beyond that the rest is just chatter. Next are we gonna say that most DEA agents are ill trained and incompetent? Or maybe that men are clumsy? Or better yet, lets argue about how a retired cop in chicago has authority on weapons handling and the necessity therein in the life of the American citizen.
If you are simply try to say this inspired incredulous feelings for you about guns. We get it and we are not surprised. Thanks for confirming our guess.
Again, I don't care about the crime stats, you are the one that posted them. I am just trying to point out that your viewpoint and usage changes as the facts go along.
To make any general assumption about guns based on this guy, is just that, it is assumptive. I agree with Bill what do we all say whenever the media points to one skydiver on RealTV and declares how we are all deathdefying loonies?
Opinions are opinions, not facts, and this thread is filled with opinions. The only reason I posted was to try and say your opinions wander and invert based on the response you get.
This guy made a mistake, a foolish one, and was a bad example for both law enforcement and gun safety. Beyond that the rest is just chatter. Next are we gonna say that most DEA agents are ill trained and incompetent? Or maybe that men are clumsy? Or better yet, lets argue about how a retired cop in chicago has authority on weapons handling and the necessity therein in the life of the American citizen.
If you are simply try to say this inspired incredulous feelings for you about guns. We get it and we are not surprised. Thanks for confirming our guess.
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Kennedy 0
QuoteYou guys are so quick to find excuses, explanations....
If you go back and read the thread, none of the gun owners or gun rights supporters are making excuses for the agent who shot himself.
Gun owners are the first people to require strict discipline and advocate harsh consequences.
What bothers the gun owners most (even more than the fact that the agent still has a badge), is that some are trying to project his lack of safety onto all of us.
Quoteno one was trying to ever stop him. He simply was going on, next weapon was handed over to him. What an idiocy.
I agree. I can't believe they handed him a rifle after he shot himself with his own gun. The kids were smart enough to object.
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>Guns are not dangerous in that video.
And that statement, by itself, has much to do with accidental deaths as the newbie statement that skydiving isn't dangerous. "Hey, don't point that at people!" "It's unloaded! So it's not dangerous. What, you think unloaded guns are dangerous? Only an idiot would point a _loaded_ gun at someone."
And that statement, by itself, has much to do with accidental deaths as the newbie statement that skydiving isn't dangerous. "Hey, don't point that at people!" "It's unloaded! So it's not dangerous. What, you think unloaded guns are dangerous? Only an idiot would point a _loaded_ gun at someone."
Quote>Guns are not dangerous in that video.
And that statement, by itself, has much to do with accidental deaths as the newbie statement that skydiving isn't dangerous. "Hey, don't point that at people!" "It's unloaded! So it's not dangerous. What, you think unloaded guns are dangerous? Only an idiot would point a _loaded_ gun at someone."
The gun didn't jump up and shoot him in the foot. He shot himself.
QuoteOh joy, another "blood running in the streets" reply, another "guns cause more crime" answer. Do you really believe this tripe, or do you just like annoying people?
whereas it is quite easy to annoy some people just by mixing guns with sarcasm, no, it is not my intention to annoy you.
QuoteWhat is it that makes some people so convinced that a gun turns good people bad? We already trust teachers to care for children, we already trust pilots with huge, fast, explosive planes, but when someone talks about guns, suddenly these othewise trustworthy men and women become suspects. Why?
In my country you have to go to college at least three years to become a High school teacher, more for a college teacher. You have to study and train at least 2 years to get your comercial pilot license, not that only with that you will get hired, mind you. Probably the same thing in the U.S
But anyone with the IQ of a vegetable and no training can get a fireweapon in your country. That is what i have a problem with.
Would you send your kids to a school were the teachers have only been give a two weeks course on how to treat kids? would you skydive in a DZ where the pilot has a total of 10 flying hours in any plane?
Well, i wouldn´t be comfortable around people with guns who may not be current in training.
QuoteOK, this may be difficult for you, so read slowly.
Dude, this is some of your writing in this thread...
You do know how utterly ridiculous your posts are, right?
That's only a debate to people too thick to read simple statistics. It's resolved to everyone else.
OK, try to keep up
You are capable of understanding that difference, yes?
This is the most patently absurd notion I've read in quite some time, even from you
OK, this may be difficult for you, so read slowly.
I don´t know why you think that you are smarter than i am, because chances are that you are not. Since i am not going to exchange qualifications with you over the net, and there is no need to turn this into a pissing contest, please, show some respect and consider me, at least, as intelligent as you consider yourself. Believe me when i tell you that putting down my intelligence, will not increase yours the slightest.
If you are really preocupied that i cannot follow properly the english language, by all means, tell me, and we will continue our debate in the spanish forum.
QuoteThere are more sources for gun information than the NRA and VPC. There are scientific studies done with grants, not lobbyists' money. There are government statistics. There are even a few studies done directly for the government.
These are legitemate sources for discussion of cost benefit and other statistics. These are the sources I use, the sources I cite when arguing facts with people.
What are you going to use to disprove them?
Check this out, it is from here
A citizen of the U.S. is:
-- 8.7 times as likely as a citizen of Germany;
-- 9.3 times as likely as a citizen of France;
-- 7.7 times as likely as a citizen of Canada;
-- 35 times as likely as a citizen of the U.K.;
-- 11.9 times as likely as a citizen of Australia;
-- 129 times as likely as a citizen of Japan
to be murdered by a gun.
If I have calculated any of these incorrectly, please correct these numbers.
Michael Moore's stats:
Germany, 381 gun murders.
France, 255 gun murders.
Canada, 165 gun murders.
UK, 68 gun murders.
Australia, 65 gun murders.
Japan, 39 gun murders.
U.S., 11,127 gun murders.
CIA World Factbook 2002 population stats:
Germany, 83,251,851
France, 59,765,983
Canada, 31,902,268
U.K., 59,778,002
Australia, 19,546,792
Japan, 126,974,628
U.S., 280,562,489
See, maybe the problem is not the guns per se, maybe the problem is the society who is not responsible enough to own so many firearms. The fact is that there is a problem in your country with people and guns. There is no easy fix, but what i think is that since you cannot remove the people, remove the guns, or at least increase the requirements to own them (gun control), you seem to think that the problem will be fixed with more guns.
Please, don´t go into the criminals vs law abidind citizen. The kid that killed 9 people in minesotta was as law abiding citizen as you are before he pulled the trigger
Your post is written very fine. I'd love to be as gentle and patient as you are when replying/explaining repeatedly same or similar points. ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
Hat off, Torero. Well said. I second every single word.
Christel
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Hat off, Torero. Well said. I second every single word.
Christel
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Kennedy 0
QuoteBut anyone with the IQ of a vegetable and no training can get a fireweapon in your country. That is what i have a problem with.
Anyone with the IQ of a vegetable and no training can get a car.
Anyone with the IQ of a vegetable and no training can get a pool.
Anyone with the IQ of a vegetable and no training can get a ladder.
Apparently, you don't have a problem with guns, you have a problem with personal freedom. I suppose you would like people to have to ask the government for permission to do anything. Well, here in the USA we disagree.
QuoteIf you are really preocupied that i cannot follow properly the english language, by all means, tell me, and we will continue our debate in the spanish forum.
I know your English is superior to my spanish, as I never even studied the language and remembe very little from growing up with a spanish-speaking grandmother. Your english is better than my German as well, even though I have studied that.
(call it the curse of being american, I don't know, languages were never stressed and are very hard to learn after adolensence).
However, what truly annoys me is your logic, or lack thereof, when you disagree about guns and or freedom. I make smartassed comments because I know you can understand but apparently choose not to. That infuriates me when I come to a discussion and I'm the only one listening but two people are talking.
QuoteA citizen of the U.S. is:
-- 8.7 times as likely as a citizen of Germany;
-- 9.3 times as likely as a citizen of France;
-- 7.7 times as likely as a citizen of Canada;
-- 35 times as likely as a citizen of the U.K.;
-- 11.9 times as likely as a citizen of Australia;
-- 129 times as likely as a citizen of Japan
to be murdered by a gun.
That's nice. I suppose dying by some manner ther than guns is preferably. Would you rather be stabbed, as in Japan, or bludgeoned, as in the UK?
Yes, we have a lot of gun murders. So what?
A: guns save more lives than they take.
B: murders with weapons other than guns are still murders.
C: Japan has a huge number of murders by sword compared to the US; does that mean swords must be banned and then doled out by the Japanese government? Italy has a huge number of stranglings compared to the US; does that mean ropes, belts, and wires should be banned and licensed?
I think it largely comes down to the fact that I have faith in the human race while you do not. I also realize that there will always be a small number of people who cannot abide by laws or live social lives, where you seem to think everyone will behave if the government tells them to.
I suppose it comes down to our complete worldviews being entirely different, so we will never agree. I do have one suggestion, however. You don't suggest change to US domestic policies and I won't bother Spanish home policies.
QuoteThere is no easy fix, but what i think is that since you cannot remove the people, remove the guns, or at least increase the requirements to own them
Why can't you understand that criminals and people intent on crimes don't follow the laws, and don't go through licensing programs?
Anytime you suggest a law to make it harder to own guns, you have to get it through your head that it will only affect people who aren't criminals. Criminals will always have a black market to turn to. If you ever figure out a plan to shut down a black market, please, let me know. Countries across the globe could use it.
QuotePlease, don´t go into the criminals vs law abidind citizen. The kid that killed 9 people in minesotta was as law abiding citizen as you are before he pulled the trigger
That distubed child stole the gun from a police officer. What's your solution, don't let cops have guns?
Also, that boy showed dozens of warning signs that were never recognized. He was a perfect case for social intervention. Read the thread about it (skip the gun arguments, and focus on posts that show how whacked out he was).
The boy didn't go though legal channels to get teh gun. He didn't buy it at a gun store. He stole it from a cop. How would licensing regular citizens, or making ownership more difficult, have stopped that?
On the other hand, I can describe to you in great detail how one school employee with a gun could have stopped the carnage. Look up the story of Joel Myrick.
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QuoteOn the other hand, I can describe to you in great detail how one school employee with a gun could have stopped the carnage. Look up the story of Joel Myrick.
Here's what Google knows about Joel Myrick.
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Kennedy 0
but... but... that can't be right! Guns can only mke the situation worse! There'll be blood in the streets! Oh, won't someone please think of the children...
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Quotebut... but... that can't be right! Guns can only mke the situation worse! There'll be blood in the streets! Oh, won't someone please think of the children...
Kennedy.... Wake up, it's only a night mare...
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dudeist skydiver # 3105
Agreed. After seeing someone shoot themselves in the foot in front of kids, why on earth would someone hand him a larger, more powerful weapon.? I guess he was going to try to finish off the other foot and the Glock just wouldn't do it.
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