Teri Schiavo Execution in Florida

[misskriss 0]

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He has moved on, of course he has - you would too.

Actually... you don't know what I would do in that situation because I don't know myself having never lived through it. In fact, I said I didn't blame him for moving on. The bottom line here is that Terri didn't have her wishes put down on paper and all anyone has to go on is what he says she wanted. This whole experience should be a lesson to everyone to make their wishes known to family and friends and put it down on paper.

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Right to life my ass. Now the President is involved - what a hypocrit - right to life?

What about the right to life of the hundreds on death row

what about the right to life of all the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis

I didn't say one word about right to life, etc. I happen to be very pro choice. I was just debating his role as decision maker.

[EBSB52 0]

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Looks like the "Palm Sunday Compromise" is yet another way Bush is removing the rights from the state's.

I wonder if he can remove the rest of the power of the state in the next three years?

Come on, the right wing and especially Bush is here to support Constitutional (and other) rights. (rolls eyes)

Funny thing is, remember when the righties were complaining about the lefties fillibustering a judicial nominee in the Senate a year ago? Well, this is akin to the same thing, and actually fillibustering is consistent with the rules, just never tried before. Time for the righties to buy some mirrors.

[EBSB52 0]

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absolute RUBBISH. He has moved on, of course he has - you would too. That does not mean that he cares any less for her or that he is leaving the repsonsibility for her. this WAS his wife at one time, someone he loved.

Did you read his interview in the St. Pete Times the other day? Very informative. He waited a long time to make decisions because he too had hope of some recovery. After a few years, of course that hope faded and he faced the reality.

Go read his side of it, and then put some context around the 'refused therapy' decisions you accuse him of.

I doubt her wishes were NOT known for seven years. I expect they were well known within the family and doctor's cirlces, until it got to be a big public issue. Now you turn around and accuse him of waiting? Well of course he waited some time, he was hoping for some sort of recovery.

Perhaps he IS moving on, that is another way of looking at it. Would you divorce your own mother if you were in the same position and she was in a brain dead state?

No you would not. You would move on and you would continue your life and you would try everything you can to still grant your mother the wishes that she conveyed to you, whether she wrote them down or not.

Right to life my ass. Now the President is involved - what a hypocrit - right to life?

What about the right to life of the hundreds on death row

what about the right to life of all the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis

what about the 'sanctity of marriage'. They all seem to preach that when we talk about gay marriage, then ignore it when it comes to husband/wife making medical decisions for each other.

COMPLETELY hypocritical and we need to stay out of it.

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I don't know who is right or wrong in this case or if there is even a right or wrong but in my mind he is not the one who should be deciding for her anymore. He has a new family... let Teri's family make the decision.

sorry but wrong, he is absolutley the one to make the decisions, he is the husband, it is recognized by law AND religion to be the correct person to make the decision. over and over again. Politicians and people crying and holding candles are simply fogging the issue.

TK

What about the right to life of the hundreds on death row

Ya, the chimp set records for # of executions by any Governor when he was in Texas. Funny how no one has answered my questions of gay marriage, capital punishment and socialized medicine. They seem to have all the answers except for the tough ones.

what about the right to life of all the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis


Right, many of whom may have supported the US function. The US doesn't care about anyone but their own agenda.

what about the 'sanctity of marriage'. They all seem to preach that when we talk about gay marriage, then ignore it when it comes to husband/wife making medical decisions for each other.


I haven't read an answer yet - just ducking and weaving... don't wait up.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Perhaps the lack of answers has more to do with the questioner than the question. Just my observation.

[jakee 1,595]

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A lot of people mentioned here 'quality of life'.

What life? Her body is pretty much just an empty box, the person inside it has gone.

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Why isn't anyone listening to her parents and brother who claim that she is somewhat responsive to stimulae?

Why aren't you listening to her doctors, who say she is completely incapable of memory, thought or emotion?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[EBSB52 0]

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Perhaps the lack of answers has more to do with the questioner than the question. Just my observation.

OK, so personal slam noted. Now support it. I'm asking the same kinds of questions many other people are, and with cites and comprehensive questions. If you want to be like the others who are posting assertions about murder and euthanasia but refuse to touch my posts, fine, you're with them.

Furthermore, I don't expect you to understand this, but your reply is an Ad Hominem, meaning your reply is an attack on the asker of the question rather than the substance of the questions. Have a nice day.

[EBSB52 0]

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A lot of people mentioned here 'quality of life'.

What life? Her body is pretty much just an empty box, the person inside it has gone.

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Why isn't anyone listening to her parents and brother who claim that she is somewhat responsive to stimulae?

Why aren't you listening to her doctors, who say she is completely incapable of memory, thought or emotion?

Don't worry, when this poor woman is allowed to pass, these same proponents of life will be fighting for some state-sponsored execution of a prisoner to be carried out. Can these people not understand about how they are playing God?

[beowulf 1]

I have always felt that there are things that much worse then dying in this world and for me this is one of those things. I personally would not want be kept alive in a vegetable state or even near vegetable state for years. Even worse would be if I were paralyzed from my neck down. That would be the most difficult thing to experience for me. If I were this lady I would rather be dead. There is no quality of life and very little to no hope of it ever changing. I think her parents are being selfish in keeping her alive.

[tigra 0]

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The lawyers, judges, and politicians are having a field day playing politics with the woman's life.

That's a statement I think we all can agree on. She's become a political pawn and its all pretty sad.

[billvon 3,116]

>Feeding someone is not extraordinary means.

Then by all means allow her parents to feed her without extraordinary means. The feeding tube has been removed, an action that has been agreed upon by her husband, her doctors and every court that has considered the matter. She is in a care facility with trained nurses, dieticiains etc. Her husband has made her desires clear; we should respect them as we would respect hers.

>A lot of people mentioned here 'quality of life'. Who promised anyone a
>perfect life?

??? She has no life. We can keep a human body alive for decades now; 99% of the time, we understand that there is a time to fight for life and a time to let it go. Just because we can keep the body of a 96 year old man with no brain activity, no functioning heart, no legs and no chance of recovery alive does not mean that we should, and we sign DNR's for that reason.

>What's next, go into all the nursing homes and dispose of the elderly
> because they are a drain on the system or are making their family's lives
> inconvenient? What about the woman who recently woke from a coma
> after approximately 20 years?

What about that 96 year old man on the heart/lung machine? How do you know HE won't recover in 20 years? It could happen.

>Why isn't anyone listening to her parents and brother who claim that
> she is somewhat responsive to stimulae?

Because they are not doctors. When friends and family want desperately to believe something, they will interpret anything as a sign that the loved one is still with them. "Her mouth moved! She's smiling! And look, her eye is moist. She's crying!"

Is that happening in this case? I have no idea, even if it is the norm. So what do you do in a case like this? You ask the experts, the people who have been caring for her medically for years - NOT the people who desperately want to see what they have decided they've seen. And then if there is any further question, the courts decide. They have decided.

>They claim that the husband has never allowed physical therapy.

Perhaps he does not want to torture her. Or perhaps PT is contraindicated due to her condition. You don't know. Again, the best solution to this dilemma is to ask the experts who have been caring for her for years.

>I think until these questions can be answered, the courts should side for life.

The courts have considered these questions, and in each case have chosen dignity over false hope. Now congress has decided to turn a family tragedy into a political circus, which will be as big as they can make it. It's (IMO) a disgusting and vile use of the body of a woman.

[justinb138 0]

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The courts have considered these questions, and in each case have chosen dignity over false hope. Now congress has decided to turn a family tragedy into a political circus, which will be as big as they can make it. It's (IMO) a disgusting and vile use of the body of a woman.

For once Bill, I'll agree with you.

My opinion:

Teri Schiavo is dead. Why keep her body alive for another decade?

[chuckbrown 0]

The doctors have said she will never recover. This is not like the case of a person who came out of a coma. Her cerebral cortex has disintegrated and has been replaced by spinal fluid (according to the medical testimony). Her brain's not just dead, it's gone and nothing will bring it back.

What's happening to Terry happens everyday across the country. What's the difference? A political connection to the President's brother who's been involved in this case for years. This is a loathsome and disgusting spectacle.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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What's the difference? A political connection to the President's brother who's been involved in this case for years. This is a loathsome and disgusting spectacle.

This fiasco reeks of partisan politics with GWB cater to the people who elected him who think that their morals are superior to every one elses.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Ron 10]

This woman is brain dead....And has been for years.

Her Husband waited and waited for years. He know that she did not want to be kept alive on life support...He knows because he claims she told him. Her parents are clinging on to a hope that she will recover....The experts say she will not recover.

This legal battle is BS. Her husband has the right to exicute her wishes. Her parents are trying to keep her alive since they are desperate to hold on to her.

She is gone....Has been for years.

Mike won a littl over a million dollars....Her care has eaten that and more up...so its not about money.

If he wanted he could divorce her and the corts have said they would.

But he is trying to do what his wife told him she wanted done.

If he just wanted out of the problem he could have left long ago. Her parents were willing to accept resposability for her.

He is only trying to do what she asked him to do.

I really wish people would just let her body die. It is only a shell.

In this case I wish Gov Bush would STFU.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[EBSB52 0]

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This woman is brain dead....And has been for years.

Her Husband waited and waited for years. He know that she did not want to be kept alive on life support...He knows because he claims she told him. Her parents are clinging on to a hope that she will recover....The experts say she will not recover.

This legal battle is BS. Her husband has the right to exicute her wishes. Her parents are trying to keep her alive since they are desperate to hold on to her.

She is gone....Has been for years.

Mike won a littl over a million dollars....Her care has eaten that and more up...so its not about money.

If he wanted he could divorce her and the corts have said they would.

But he is trying to do what his wife told him she wanted done.

If he just wanted out of the problem he could have left long ago. Her parents were willing to accept resposability for her.

He is only trying to do what she asked him to do.

I really wish people would just let her body die. It is only a shell.

In this case I wish Gov Bush would STFU.

In this case I wish Gov Bush would STFU.


How about prez Bush - he has a hand in this too.

[Darius11 12]

We are at War, we have a ton of domestic problems that need attention, but the senate is taking time to determine a personal choice for one family.

It is amazing what popularity can do. Yes the story is sad but in the grand scheme of things who cares.

Sad that even our government is spending time on the popular cause and not the important ones.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[tkhayes 348]

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Actually... you don't know what I would do in that situation because I don't know myself having never lived through it. In fact, I said I didn't blame him for moving on. The bottom line here is that Terri didn't have her wishes put down on paper and all anyone has to go on is what he says she wanted. This whole experience should be a lesson to everyone to make their wishes known to family and friends and put it down on paper.

OK you are right, I do not know what you would do.

Why does it have to be on paper? Does the law currently require that? No it does not.

Do you respect the current laws? Apparently not

Should it be a lesson to others? It may be the only good thing to come of it.

But for now, there are NO requiremeents for ANYTHING to be written down. It was fought in the courts and LOST. Get over it. Terri does actually have a right to die (in this case).

Instead of spending so much time trying to save her, why are the politicians not trying to find a better way to humanely end it? I am all for that, but I do not see that anywhere in the future.

Pure hypocracy to fight this and some of the worst abuses of political power I have ever seen. Do we not have bigger fish to fry in this country?

TK

[justinb138 0]

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We are at War, we have a ton of domestic problems that need attention, but the senate is taking time to determine a personal choice for one family.

And worrying about Steriods in baseball.

[peregrinerose 0]

I think that regardless of personal opinions on what other people think should be done, this whole scenario is just sad. This woman had her life completely and permanently destroyed 15 years ago. For many months, her face has been all over every TV set, every newspaper, all over the Internet. No person deserves that intrusion into their privacy, particularly when they do not have the capability to say 'stay the hell out of my room!'

Does anyone truly care about what is best for Terri? The politicians on both sides are making her their scapegoats for their political agendas. Her parents exploit her image by releasing the videos while they clearly are incapable of dealing with the grief they have gone through for the past 15 years. Her husband is supposedly doing what is best for Terri, but no one can know his true motivation for prolonging this, and both sides just keep guessing.

A fortune in legal fees and health care costs continues to flow, so the care facility and lawyers are happy campers.

The frightening part is that regardless of what a person wants, their family can overrule the wishes. Advanced directives/ living wills only matter if the family is in agreement.

My brother has already made it quite clear that if I am in Terri's situation, he will fight to have me kept alive. He knows that is not what I want, I have made that clear to my friends, husband, and family. It is his religious beliefs that I should be kept alive by any means possible until 'God' takes me. This scares me since I do have a brain tumor. It could sit there forever and do nothing, or it could grow tomorrow and vegetize me. This is something that is a very real concern, that his wishes superceede mine, all he has to say is that he believes letting me die is not really what I wanted.

Who should take priority for these decisions? No one can choose their family members. But we do choose our spouses based on love and trust. Which should make the final call?

Jen

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[Ron 10]

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In this case I wish Gov Bush would STFU.


How about prez Bush - he has a hand in this too.

Sure.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[sfzombie13 324]

the one thing that is missing from all the recent comments id the fact that the constitution SPECIFICALLY points out that no laws are to be made regarding any individual. i think that some serious attention needs to be placed on the fact that every single person who voted on this law and the one who signed it needs to be held accountable.

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[Darius11 12]

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We are at War, we have a ton of domestic problems that need attention, but the senate is taking time to determine a personal choice for one family.

And worrying about Steriods in baseball.

You read my mind.

Sometimes I just have to shake my head and wonder maybe I am missing something.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[wmw999 2,588]

That must be scary. I know from when my mother died that having instructions made it easier to make decisions (although none of us were disposed to disagree). I would hope that having it written down would make it easier for the rest of your family to stand together lovingly if the need came about.

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Who should take priority for these decisions? No one can choose their family members. But we do choose our spouses based on love and trust. Which should make the final call?

No matter what, if the family wrangles everyone loses. But my God, the thought of having to let go of my still-breathing son would just be too much. I feel for those parents. It's a horrifying situation.

There is no winner here. None at all. I hope that someone, somewhere, will figure out the lesson that's coming out of this.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[justinb138 0]

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We are at War, we have a ton of domestic problems that need attention, but the senate is taking time to determine a personal choice for one family.

And worrying about Steriods in baseball.

You read my mind.

Sometimes I just have to shake my head and wonder maybe I am missing something.

I shake my head everytime I see my paycheck and see how much it costs me to have a goverment that worries about shit like that.

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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We are at War, we have a ton of domestic problems that need attention, but the senate is taking time to determine a personal choice for one family.

And worrying about Steriods in baseball.

You read my mind.

Sometimes I just have to shake my head and wonder maybe I am missing something.

And the involvement in the assisted suicide in Oregon, and trying to change the rules of pay-for-tv due to parents that allow their kids to see sexual content on TV.

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