SkyDekker 1,465 #1 March 10, 2005 Funny enough city council on the day this happened approved more widespread use of tasers. Currently only ETF (Toronto's version of SWAT) officers carry them. There is always a ETF team on the road in Toronto, they however did not make it to this one in time. Apparently the "bad guy" only suffered a broken wrist. I am actually surprised the guy didn't get shot, the officers showed some amazing restraint. Some may find the video graphic. http://www.pulse24.com/In_The_Raw/Raw_Video/20050308-001/Video-5-2.asx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #2 March 10, 2005 QuoteFunny enough city council on the day this happened approved more widespread use of tasers. Currently only ETF (Toronto's version of SWAT) officers carry them. There is always a ETF team on the road in Toronto, they however did not make it to this one in time. With the heavy winter coat I doubt a tazer would have been able to do its job. QuoteApparently the "bad guy" only suffered a broken wrist Why the ""? He is clearly a bad guy? QuoteI am actually surprised the guy didn't get shot, the officers showed some amazing restraint. They did, but I expect that. I also expect that they would have dropped him if he had tried to use the knife. Still the pinning against the pole was kinda cool."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #3 March 10, 2005 QuoteWith the heavy winter coat I doubt a tazer would have been able to do its job. One of my consultants is an active sargeant on the Toronto ETF. Accoring to him heavy winter coats are not an issue for tazers. Remember, the needles do not even have to hit skin. The "" are just because it is such a cheesy term. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #4 March 10, 2005 Lucky for him,that didnt happen in Texas..... Not only would he have been a speed bump,but he would have stopped some lead tooMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #5 March 10, 2005 QuoteOne of my consultants is an active sargeant on the Toronto ETF. Accoring to him heavy winter coats are not an issue for tazers. Remember, the needles do not even have to hit skin. I have been told the opposite. Anyone have proof one way or the other?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 March 10, 2005 from taser.com: QuoteTASER devices utilize compressed nitrogen to project two small probes up to 15, 21 or 25 feet (21 and 25 foot cartridges sold to law enforcement, military and aviation security agencies only) at a speed of over 160 feet per second. These probes are connected to the TASER device by insulated wire. An electrical signal is transmitted through the wires to where the probes make contact with the body or clothing, resulting in an immediate loss of the person’s neuromuscular control and the ability to perform coordinated action for the duration of the impulse. Bolding mine for emphasis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #7 March 10, 2005 Quotefrom taser.com: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TASER devices utilize compressed nitrogen to project two small probes up to 15, 21 or 25 feet (21 and 25 foot cartridges sold to law enforcement, military and aviation security agencies only) at a speed of over 160 feet per second. These probes are connected to the TASER device by insulated wire. An electrical signal is transmitted through the wires to where the probes make contact with the body or clothing, resulting in an immediate loss of the person’s neuromuscular control and the ability to perform coordinated action for the duration of the impulse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bolding mine for emphasis. OK how about NOT from an AD for a product?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 March 10, 2005 QuoteTASER devices utilize compressed nitrogen to project two small probes up to 15, 21 or 25 feet (21 and 25 foot cartridges sold to law enforcement, military and aviation security agencies only) at a speed of over 160 feet per second. These probes are connected to the TASER device by insulated wire. An electrical signal is transmitted through the wires to where the probes make contact with the body or clothing, resulting in an immediate loss of the person’s neuromuscular control and the ability to perform coordinated action for the duration of the impulse. Okay I have a quote from a company FAQ, plus the verbal testimony of an ETF sergeant who has used the taser more than 40 times last year, which includes a 6 month winter in Canada. What do you have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #9 March 10, 2005 QuoteOkay I have a quote from a company FAQ From a website set up to SELL the product. Give me a second I can show you ads that said smoking was good for you. Sorry an Advertisment is not a good source. Quoteplus the verbal testimony of an ETF sergeant who has used the taser more than 40 times last year, which includes a 6 month winter in Canada. OK. QuoteWhat do you have? Friends of mine in the SF community that told me that they will not work against heavy clothes such as leather jackets. So we have a draw...And therefore I asked for some non biased evidence. If you can provide it please do, but so far you have not."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #10 March 10, 2005 I'm sure it depends on the fabric of the coat. Some fabrics conduct electricity, some don't. I have no doubt that my rubber "firemans' raincoat will not. Leather probably would. Synthetic fibres probably would not. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 March 10, 2005 QuoteI'm sure it depends on the fabric of the coat. Some fabrics conduct electricity, some don't. I have no doubt that my rubber "firemans' raincoat will not. Leather probably would. Synthetic fibres probably would not. thank you, thats what I am trying to say.... But does anyone have proof one way or another? Maybe Kennedy or JohnRich? I'd like to know if this is true, or urban legand...It might change my view of these as weapons for police."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 March 10, 2005 Hope they didn'y do any damage to the Police Car or the parking meter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DexterBase 1 #13 March 10, 2005 QuoteGive me a second I can show you ads that said smoking was good for you. Ok... this I gotta see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteGive me a second I can show you ads that said smoking was good for you. Ok... this I gotta see. http://www.thevoiceofreason.com/2003/no71/PassiveSmokingGood.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 March 10, 2005 Quotethank you, thats what I am trying to say.... But does anyone have proof one way or another? Maybe Kennedy or JohnRich? I'd like to know if this is true, or urban legand...It might change my view of these as weapons for police. One of the other manufacturer's gets into that when discussing whether or not it would work against body armour. Anyways, i'll just stick with the word of the guy who deals with it almost on a daily basis. And, sometimes it even gets cold here in Canada. GM, I think it is a bike rack, not a parking meter, and not a scratch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 March 10, 2005 QuoteQuotethank you, thats what I am trying to say.... But does anyone have proof one way or another? Maybe Kennedy or JohnRich? I'd like to know if this is true, or urban legand...It might change my view of these as weapons for police. One of the other manufacturer's gets into that when discussing whether or not it would work against body armour. Anyways, i'll just stick with the word of the guy who deals with it almost on a daily basis. And, sometimes it even gets cold here in Canada. GM, I think it is a bike rack, not a parking meter, and not a scratch Good on those cops then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #17 March 10, 2005 Quote I have been told the opposite. Anyone have proof one way or the other? Hmm, you could always let my mum loose with one. She had a barrell of laughs when she tried her new pepper spray on me....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #18 March 11, 2005 Either way, they could have tazered, if that's a even a word, him in the face. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #19 March 11, 2005 Or they could have gotten a cowboy cop like McLoed to come along on horse back and lassoo the guy with his lariat. Now I understand that McLoed was stationed in New York but you'd think that cops in Canada should all have these skills. "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 March 11, 2005 QuoteOr they could have gotten a cowboy cop like McLoed to come along on horse back and lassoo the guy with his lariat. Now I understand that McLoed was stationed in New York but you'd think that cops in Canada should all have these skills. I think they call them Mounties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #21 March 11, 2005 From another thread... ...Ya know, some people take Dungeons & Dragons far too seriously! http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-309.htm Unfortunately this particular "Demon God of Conquest" turns out to be powerless against the power of the "Mighty Glock" - even in the hands of a mortal! Having said that, one questions the "legality" of the shot!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 March 11, 2005 QuoteI think they call them Mounties. Not too many Mounties in Toronto. It has been a bad week for Mounties, my thoughts are with all law enforcement officers, but specially our finest in red. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #23 March 11, 2005 QuoteOne of the other manufacturer's gets into that when discussing whether or not it would work against body armour. Again thats like asking a Ford dealer if I should buy a Corvette. Im still waiting on third party non biased info...Which you have thus far failed to provide. QuoteAnyways, i'll just stick with the word of the guy who deals with it almost on a daily basis. And, sometimes it even gets cold here in Canada. I'll go with the people in the SF community that test this stuff for combat. Again....No one has shown any othe NON BIASED info."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 March 11, 2005 QuoteI'll go with the people in the SF community that test this stuff for combat. It will be interesting to see how often they have used it in combat, and how often they have used it in combat in cold climates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #25 March 11, 2005 QuoteIt will be interesting to see how often they have used it in combat, and how often they have used it in combat in cold climates. This is my last post on this till you can provide better evidence than and Advertisment and "a buddy told me so"."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
