wildblue 7 #1 March 8, 2005 Article: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43174 PSA: http://www.brooklynbrothers.com/movies/un60.movit's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #2 March 8, 2005 Legacy munitions, landmines in particular, are a very real problem in many parts of the world. But I suspect further discussion of this topic would be better heard over in Squeaker's Corner. Some of the replies on the first link are a wee bit risible though.... ""I'm shocked that the U.N. would bring something like this out. The Brits already have enough trouble with their football fans – how long before they start mining their opponents' practice fields now that someone has presented the idea to them?" " If you see what I mean...-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #3 March 8, 2005 Looks like a good add. Hard hitting adds have been proven to work well in the past for things like drink driving. I think the same will be true here - you're not going to get people to act without shocking them into doing something. Apathy is just far too prevalent. I don't buy the "soccer kids might see it and get scared" crap. The add's aimed at voters - ie parents, it can be on late at night and any kid who gets scared by it serves themselves right for being up that late. SC in 3...2....1.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lifewithoutanet 0 #4 March 8, 2005 Because I have a personal interest in this (my father and a couple of friends and former colleagues work on this)... US Army's Humanitarian Demining Effort Just presenting the link...I'm not getting into any Speaker's Corner debates... -C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #5 March 8, 2005 QuoteSC in 3...2....1.... I almost started it there (here) but didn't want it to get into the whole landmine debate, and how the US won't sign the treaty Those damn Americans.....it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #6 March 8, 2005 What an excellent ad. IMHO one that should be shown in ALL "first & second" world nations. Particularly those which sell such "area defence products". I particularly liked the use of soccer as an internationally common game, rather than a characteristically American game such as baseball, and the scene could represent almost any western country. It's also very suitable for dubbing. Surely the issue isn't whether it should be shown in the US - It should be shown worldwide! On the other hand, military & paramilitary forces of the world absolutely love landmines because they're a phenomenally cheap & effective means of area defence. Indeed, if they aren't commercially available then they are invariably improvised in some way. As such, a standardised landmine, ideally without anti-handling devices is generally considered easier to deal with than improvised devices. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 March 8, 2005 If you were a U.S. soldier protecting the DMZ in South Korea, would you want all the land mines in no-man's land removed, making it easy for the North Korean horde to stream across unfazed in your direction? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #8 March 8, 2005 That spot is not too far from the truth, at least in the connection of the two. Italy makes some of the most sophisitcated and nearly undectectable mines in the world and is one of the largest sellers of landmines worldwide. If you research the company they ironically fully sponsor a soccer team. The company name slips me at the moment. They are not the only one that does this, I believe a German owned company in another country does the same thing by sponsoring a soccer team consisting of players who are missing limbs. I am currently in one of the heaviest mined countries on the planet, Afghanistan. It has seen a lot of demining and it still continues. I watched some deminers just the other day in fact. It is quite possible that indonessia has surpassed Afghanistan since the demining began as both countries have a large demining program for several years but I think more work has been done here than in indonessia. Some of the biggest finger pointing European countries actually have companies in their own country making some of the most deadly mines to date and sell them to pretty much any country thats interested, most of those being in the middle east and asia."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #9 March 8, 2005 Quotethey ironically fully sponsor a soccer team. The company name slips me at the moment. Arsenal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 March 8, 2005 Juventus Turin? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #11 March 8, 2005 QuoteJuventus Turin? Vas dot ju who ventus in zee aeroplan, Turin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #12 March 8, 2005 Niente. Scusi. Not me. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #13 March 8, 2005 Good thing we cleared that up sister. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #14 March 8, 2005 Juve! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 March 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteSC in 3...2....1.... I almost started it there (here) but didn't want it to get into the whole landmine debate, and how the US won't sign the treaty Those damn Americans..... The problem with land mines isn't so much their use, but the tracking and disposal of them later. The U.S. knows where theirs are, and will deactivate and dispose of them the day peace comes between North and South Korea. Many of the warring countries around the world simply sow randomly and forget, much to the maiming of citizens months and years later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 March 9, 2005 Maybe it might be pertinent to read exactly what the following states. Also keep in mind this thought how do you propose to enforce security in the situations where a minefield is the best option to be had? On 16 May 96, The President of the United States announced a national policy that eliminates or restricts the use of antipersonnel land mines, beginning with those that do not self-destruct but eventually including all types. This policy is in effect now. It applies to all Infantry units either engaged in, or training for, operations worldwide. Current US policy allows the use of non-self-destructing antipersonnel land mines only along internationally recognized national borders or in established demilitarized zones, specifically for the defense of Korea. Such mines must be within an area having a clearly marked perimeter. They must be monitored by military personnel and protected by adequate means to ensure the exclusion of civilians. US national policy also forbids US forces from using standard or improvised explosive devices as booby traps. Except for units in Korea or units going there for a designated exercise, this policy specifically forbids all training on or actual employment of inert M14 and M16 antipersonnel land mines either at the unit's home station or at a Combat Training Center except in the context of countermine or de-mining training. No training with live M14 mines is authorized, and training with live M16 mines is authorized only for soldiers actually on Korean soil. This policy does not affect the standard use of antivehicular mines. It does not affect training and use of the M18 Claymore mine in the command detonated mode. For the immediate future, units may still use self-destructing antipersonnel mines, such as the ADAM, when authorized by the appropriate commander. Under proper command authority, units may still emplace mixed minefields containing self-destructing antipersonnel land mines used to protect antivehicular land mines, for example, MOPMS or Volcano. Users of this manual should consider all references to antipersonnel mines and the employment of minefields in the light of the national policy limiting the use of non-self-destructing antipersonnel land mines. Readers should not construe any uses of the terms mines, antipersonnel obstacle, protective minefield, or minefield contained in this manual to mean an obstacle that contains non-self-destructing antipersonnel land mines, or booby traps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #17 March 9, 2005 The problem with land mines isn't so much their use, but the tracking and disposal of them later. The U.S. knows where theirs are, and will deactivate and dispose of them the day peace comes between North and South Korea. Many of the warring countries around the world simply sow randomly and forget, much to the maiming of citizens months and years later. We certainly sowed randomly and forget in SE Asia. They can't understand why we come back sifting through the dirt looking for bone fragments while they loose lives and limbs plowing.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
