ACLU Files Lawsuit: Hold Rumsfeld Accountable

[billvon 3,120]

> Have you ever had to shake hands, or play nice with someone you
>do not particularly care for?

Give that man a cigar! He supported Saddam Hussein for what he considered a greater purpose. Turned out to be a mistake, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable compromise. Now if only people can make the intellectual leap and realize that not only conservatives do that.

[jdhill 0]

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He The U.S. supported Saddam Hussein for what he the U.S. considered a greater purpose. Turned out to be a mistake, but at the time it seemed like a reasonable compromise.

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Now if only people can make the intellectual leap and realize that not only conservatives do that.

Who has said this is a conservative / liberal thing, I havn't... All countries do it, and have throughout history.

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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I fear you're wrong. I think we do need Middle Eastern oil. I've heard that it would take most of africa growing for biodiesel to meet our future needs. (not to mention the cost) See: Biodiesel = Disaster We need our crops to feed people, not machines!!!

From the article: "it is to happen worldwide, then most of the arable surface of the planet will be deployed to produce food for cars, not people." Not to mention the fact that cars are only a small portion of what petrochemicals are used for.

Plus, even if we could grow enough for biodiesel, what will it matter when it still costs 7+ dollars a gallon due to cost? It will f*ck us over economically.

War is most likely the only option.

[billvon 3,120]

>I fear you're wrong. I've heard that it would take most of africa
>growing for biodiesel to meet our future needs. (not to mention the
> cost)

That's like saying there's no way NYC can grow beyond 500,000 people because there would be too much horse poop to deal with. Technology changes.

>We need our crops to feed people, not machines!!!

Much of our crops now go to junk food; much of our forests go to paper. Apparently we have no problem growing things other than essential foods. Biodiesel is no different. If the demand is there it will be produced.

>Not to mention the fact that even if we could grow enough for
> biodiesel, what will it matter when it still costs 7+ dollars a gallon? It
> will f*ck our economy.

Well, it will surely fuck up those people/companies who cannot change.

But hey, lots of buggy whip manufacturers went under after horses gave way to cars. We survived. New companies appeared, and made lots of money off people who wanted something better than horses. The same thing will happen here - if we're smart enough to encourage it.

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Yeah, we need to start yesterday on that!

But, in the worst case, don't forget to invest in good commodities so you'll be rich while everyone else is starving to death becuase a loaf of bread costs 50$ since the semi used to transport it spends hundreds of dollars in fuel for delivery.

Someday the news will say Oil prices pass 175$ a barrel.

I'm normally not this pessmistic but this is speakers corner.

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[wmw999 2,589]

And if that happens, people will change how they do things. There will be more locally-produced food, family farms will probably begin to be profitable again, and families with yards will have gardens.

Kind of like happened before there was transportation of food in the US. They did eat then.

It will not be fun while it's starting, but, you know, if we plan carefully and keep working on a number of fronts, we can pay for long-term comfort with a little discomfort now, or we can just put it off and then we will be more uncomfortable.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Tonto 1]

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I would have be Christ or God (or Buddha?)

Well, both Christ and God have a long history of torture, both on this planet (Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.") and off it, in the supposed "eternal pit of damnation" they'll have you flung into for not beleiving their line of propaganda.

What kind of fuck asks you to kill your only son?

Edit - I guess the same kind of fuck that would kill his OWN only son..

You'd have to go with Buddha on this one.

t

It's the year of the Pig.