AggieDave 6 #176 March 3, 2005 QuoteHe was getting threatened in bars and in stores. Made me sad to hear that. Yeah, that is sad. People are idiots, I'm sure you know the history of the detainment camps in during WWII and the social atmosphere in regards to not just the Japanese but all oriental looking people/--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #177 March 3, 2005 QuoteWell I am asking you.... Sure, I haven't always been married, and at times I've hung around more gay people than I do these days. For a while I had a whole gay social circle. But that still doesn't make me an expert on gay people in general. It just means I have more of the statistically meaningless anecdotal evidence than you do. But by and large I've been attracted to friendships with mature people with good heads on their shoulders, gay OR straight. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #178 March 3, 2005 QuoteOur local flying arab ... was getting threatened in bars and in stores. A lot of groups can relate to that. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #179 March 3, 2005 QuoteI'm being enlightened on how incredibly insightful some conservatives are about people they have absolutely no contact with. Again, after what bill just pointed out.... Do you know any conservatives that have had "Absolutely no contact with gays? Oh, I guess that is is possible.... I forgot, there are no gays in the midwest. They only live in Greenwhich Village, and in San Fransisco A hypocritical statement Wendy. You say I or others here have no contact with gays. How much contact do you have with me... and how do you know how much contact I have with gays. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #180 March 3, 2005 QuoteYou say I or others here have no contact with gays. How much contact do you have with me... and how do you know how much contact I have with gays. Come on...you know that if you expect someone to be held accountable for their actions you can not possibly be able to understand anyone else. Unless you are gay, there is no way you can look at data and make any kind of observation about the gay lifestyle. Only Liberals can do that kind of stuff. They are experts on conservatives with out being one."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #181 March 3, 2005 QuoteA hypocritical statement Wendy. She's aware of the hypocrisy. She even makes fun of it (which I thought ruined the joke) but apparently even that wasn't blatant enough for some. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #182 March 3, 2005 >Do you know any conservatives that have had "Absolutely no contact with gays? From Craddock's post: "I really don't know any gays in life" This is starting to sound like the beginning of an Austin Powers movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #183 March 3, 2005 QuoteUnless you are gay, there is no way you can look at data and make any kind of observation about the gay lifestyle. Wow. You really make me sorry I answered your question carefully. Why did I bother again? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #184 March 3, 2005 Yes bill, but she didn't just address one person... And me being the author of the thread.... I think we know where she was going with this. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #185 March 3, 2005 >Unless you are gay, there is no way you can look at data and make >any kind of observation about the gay lifestyle. Right. Then there's you, who apparently knows more about being gay than the gay people on this forum. What the hell do they know? You saw something on the internet! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #186 March 3, 2005 Apparently not much since one of them isists there isn't an aids problem in the gay community. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #187 March 3, 2005 > Apparently not much since one of them isists there isn't an aids problem in the gay community. Wow. You're just plain making shit up now to prove your point. A popular way to argue a point, but somewhat self-defeating when everyone can read prior posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #188 March 3, 2005 Dumbest. Thread. Ever. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #189 March 3, 2005 QuoteWow. You really make me sorry I answered your question carefully. Why did I bother again? My response was to storm about wmw999 making a blanket statment about a type of people. I would think you would understand that. I could be wrong. You seem to think I hate you...and hate gays in general. See but the problem is when I ask a question you prefer to make insults. Nice. See you skipped this whole part of my post: QuoteThat would be why I asked you. However there are facts that I don't need to be gay to understand...Gays are a smaller segment of the population then hetero's but have a higher rate and raw number of HIV cases. Add in that several folks seem to say that the gay community is quite aware of the problem, yet the smaller group still has the higher number of cases... So I can only suggest that: A. They are not informed, or aware of the truth. B. It is a totaly non-effective attempt. I asked you since you had a much higher chance of knowing than me, and *most* times are not emotional and are logical. If you do know, please educate...If you don't thanks anyway. If you will see I am SUPPORTING more education to reduce the effect of HIV on the gay community. Even the part where I ASKED a question and even THANKED you...You prefered to continue to think I hate you and all gays and jumped in on a slam about someone making a blanket statement about a group...Again which I think you would understand and even defend. But no since its me. even though when you got married I said Congrats: Quotehttp://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=970274#970274 Thats just wrong....Not the marriage, congrats on that but this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But then again there weren't any skydivers at the party. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What the hell is that? I got married ON the DZ. (Well, I was actually on a skydive at the time)...My Ex-wife was getting the papers signed and met me in the landing area with a kiss and said..."were married". I kissed her back, and then had to pack..I was training. (Notice I said EX wife?) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No video, but we did get a lovely Suitable For Framing certificate. Does that count? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You know the rules...No video and it didn't happen. Congrats. But feel free to continue to think I just hate gays and you in particular...I make it a habit to congratulate people I hate about things I don't agree with. See I can disagree about something and still be happy for people."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #190 March 3, 2005 QuoteRight. Then there's you, who apparently knows more about being gay than the gay people on this forum. Where did I say that? In fact if you took the time to READ a post or two you will see I asked a QUESTION. Now you seem to be a smart guy and it should not be to hard for you to realize that whena guy asks a QUESTION he is asking for information about something he does not know. That is if you can get past your hatred of me and actually read a post once in a while. QuoteWhat the hell do they know? You saw something on the internet! See?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #191 March 3, 2005 Thank you. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #192 March 3, 2005 Quote So who is to say your grouping is better? If the higest at risk groups are black females and gay males, why spend money on white upper-class males? Let's not forget that HIV is only one of many potential consequences of unprotected sex. You get a lot of mileage out of safe sex promotion, so it's effective to target at everyone. I do think that as a whole, the gay community relaxed a bit in the latter 90s as HIV drugs altered the disease from a horrible withering away death to something more akin to Hep C. The latter 80s/early 90s was devastating to San Francisco and that scared people into safer practices. That fear isn't nearly so powerful now. My ex roommate's company is working on the magic bullet, the one pill a day treatment for HIV carriers. But as Africa has shown, HIV will spread into the much larger heterosexual population where the much greater numbers will make up for the lower rate of transmission. I think you can validly argue that now is the right time to target that population, before HIV gets to a critical mass. Given the length of time people can be carriers now, and the unfortunately long incubation period before it shows up on a test, it can easily catch up with herpes and hep B and C. It's way too late to write it off as a problem those gay dudes gotta solve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #193 March 3, 2005 QuoteIt's way too late to write it off as a problem those gay dudes gotta solve. did you ever see me say to only target gays? Nope in fact I mentioned Black Women in several of my posts. HIV is not something that is gonna go away. It makes sense to target the group it is going to do the most damage to first. I doin't see how people can see me saying, "lets educate to gays about this disease" as "Gay bashing". Some people kill me."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #194 March 3, 2005 QuoteYeah, HIV is more prominant in the gay community than the hetero one. A statement simalar to that was made by I assume a non gay and now have 9 pages of people trying to contradict it. Most of them providing data that further proves it is true. Most of this thread was because the gays claimed a hetro was wrong when he made a similar satement. It' fucking crazy because the data is so lopsided I don't understand how they/you can even argue about it. That's all That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #195 March 3, 2005 QuoteI wouldn't be so sure. Many hide their sexuality from people who they think will not accept it. In conservative language, they "don't shove their sexuality down your throat." In real language they're afraid of what your reaction will be. Many people hate and fear gays. First off Bill I never said I have never Met any gays, I said I did not know any. I have met plenty of gays. Second it was a typo as I was rushing out the door. I missed the M on any. It should have read I don't know many gays. What a difference one letter makes >Now that's funny! Will you get enlightened about how murderous all arabs are next? I have know idea what this means. I have known or met plenty of arabs throughout my life, most of them seem like pretty good people. I can't see them in denial about some of the Arabs that are part of terrorist groups. I guess I don't know what you mean That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #196 March 3, 2005 QuoteNow knowing that the transmission of this bug is very hard in unprotected hetero sex thats a lot of unprotected f-ing around isnt it. How many times did those guys have unprotected sex in order to get this bug. This is not true according to many gay people. They have said in this thread that they are not at higher risk. It so stupid it's insulting That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #197 March 3, 2005 Quote>Do you know any conservatives that have had "Absolutely no contact with gays? From Craddock's post: "I really don't know any gays in life" This is starting to sound like the beginning of an Austin Powers movie. Read other post. Their is a HUGE difference between not Knowing any Gays, and having never been in contact with any. Talk about hearing what you want to hear. What the fuck Also it was supposed to read many gays, not any gays That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #198 March 3, 2005 QuoteAlso it was supposed to read many gays, not any gays Would someone with authority please amend the dropzone.com rules page? We're now required to telepathically understand what someone meant, not what they wrote. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #199 March 3, 2005 That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #200 March 3, 2005 QuoteThis is not true according to many gay people. They have said in this thread that they are not at higher risk. I should go back and read the thread carefully, but I sure don't remember any gay person in this thread saying anything of the sort. QuoteIt so stupid it's insulting Well, something certainly is. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
